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In Egypt and Libya? With Lebanon and/or Israel in between Syria and Egypt.

So it's not that unsafe there.

It was safe for them during that time.

They died supposedly fleeing the dangers in Kobane. Guess where father has gone back to bury them.:confused:

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You would like to think we elect people to lead a government. You are saying we just elect sheep .. sad times :(

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If 'safety' is the reason for granting people refugee status, a good proportion of the world's population will qualify. Plenty of people here don't feel safe and plenty of people here aren't having their needs acceded to. Plenty of people here are suffering in one way or another, being destitute, helpless and even being left to suffer/die because they're told the drugs needed to help them are too expensive for the NHS to provide. Where's the media coverage, national sympathy and petitions for them? This awful stuff overseas has been going on for decades and I believe that in a lot of cases, this response is more about making people feel less guilty than anything else.

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I feel that this 'sympathy' scenario is now coming out from various sources and that various people - ie Bob Geldof has offered his house and flat to accommodate some refugee's.
And that DC has offered more help in bringing some to the UK.

We have to look at this two ways, such as a comment made on this forum. In the UK alone TODAY, there are people that are HOMELESS and destitute. And need severe help and many homeless people live at Cardboard City in London.

And now since this poor child drowned along with his mum and brother. We have people offering there homes to help them

We have many building in London that are empty, why doesn't DC offer them shelter there.

This problem has been going on for over a year, yet, DC went on holiday, when it was starting to become a crisis.

Why does it have to be a poor child, bring everything to the forefront and start the usual UK - we will come to the rescue again, and again.

I really feel sad for the refuges, but there comes a time when we have to say enough is enough. We are a small island in the middle of a pond.

If the British Government can look after thousands of migrants, why cant it look after its own people as well

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While I disagree with much of the post above it highlights the impact that the millions of economic migrants have had over the past decade. It seems a lot of people in the UK are jaded and weary of immigration to the point where it impacts on their views of those in desperate need.

It's a disaster but not that surprising. Politicians in the last decade were wilfully engineering the nation, politicians in this decade and that one are far more Europhile than the populous as that's what their donors tell them to think.

Really unfortunate set of circumstances that we are having to be harsh with those who are refugees to dissuade economic migrants riding on their coat tails.

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What about all the non Syrians I'm wondering - people from Pakistan, Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Iraq, Nigeria, Cameroon, Chad, Niger, Eritrea, Somalia, Liberia, Yemen, Sudan, Libya, Egypt, Congo, Ethiopia to name but a few?...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34114597

Surely they deserve refuge too because they're unsafe and desperate for a better life in Europe.

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Vox - Nothing captures Western hypocrisy on refugees like these British tabloid front pages

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2015/09/19.jpg



New Statesman - From "cockroaches" to campaigns: how the UK press u-turned on the refugee crisis

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...?itok=cll5k_ns


Etc. etc. ...

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I don't think it can be denied with credibility that these people are in a desperate situation.

This is a very grave problem and the politicians need to discuss this tragedy intelligently.

It was a good move of David Cameron to suggest that we would take people from the refugee camps rather than from the migrants walking through Europe. That might encourage people to seek refuge at properly organised camps nearer home while we try to work out the best way of absorbing them all. The situation in Europe is out of control and getting worse.

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There has been a report - l cannot find the link - tonight that FOUR people have been arrested over neglect of the young child that drowned

I understand that a report was in the Daily Mirror. BUT, l cannot find the link. If this is true, it certainly opens up a can of worms as to what happened

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It is and we need to encourage people to do things by the rules and not effectively encourage people to break the rules as they see fit which not only results in abuse of the system but also encourages people to risk their lives in order to be taken seriously. In any other set of circumstances what the EU has been allowing to happen would be deemed totally irresponsible and hats off to the Hungarians for telling it as they see it whether we find their message entirely palatable or not.

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Over the years, there has been thousands of refugees that have come all over Europe to various countries and the UK.
The UK have always been known for its kindness and generosity. But really has happened is that many Tv Crews get hold of many refugees and ask where they are going.

We have has them on screen and admit - they want to come to UK for benefits, and some have even said they want to come to steal and pickpocket.

In fact there is a Romanian camp in Hyde Park London.

But what has to happen is that EACH country take so many - say 50.000 and that is it.

What each country has to realise that this will put strain on the services of that country. In fact several years ago, the people of Scotland were up in arms as there were Asylum Seekers went there, and were given everything they needed. And naturally, the people of Scotland didn't like it.

We have to look at the fact that apart from the refugees being allowed to come to Britain. We also have them trying to get through the Channel Tunnel.

I think that Australia has banned them altogether - l may be wrong.

There is only so far we can go before saying NO. And no l am not whining, l am looking at the future

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I'm hearing about all these local authorities offering to take in refugees. There was I thinking they couldn't cope with their current problems. :confused: There are plenty of people including children, the elderly, sick and vulnerable living in squalor and being told their councils can't help but suddenly it appears they can help other people. Maybe they'll be accessing additional funding but where's that additional funding to get our own people out of squalor or off the streets? Don't they matter as much?

Anyway, I hope any 'care' vulnerable refugees children are placed into is a lot better than the sort of 'care' afforded to the thousands of vulnerable children these same people allowed to be abused under their noses for decades.

I'm glad Geldof is going to be housing a few migrants and hope all his rich holier than thou mates do likewise for a good long time, not just while it affords them the publicity they crave when it suits. Maybe they will arrange for some of their luxury pads, mansions and estates to be similarly put to such worthy use. Of course they wouldn't need to leave all their expensive personal trinkets lying around but they're wealthy enough to put them in safe storage for such an important cause so that's not insurmountable. Just a pity they didn't feel able to start a campaign to house some of the countless destitute they've passed by over the years on the way to/from one celebrity bash after another. I dare say they'd have been equally grateful but maybe they weren't sufficiently newsworthy to be worth the effort.

Anyway time will tell just how many people are really prepared to put their money where their mouth is. Maybe I'll be proved wrong and all those busily tweeting and signing petitions about how terrible all this is will actually do something practical to help. Maybe they won't soon be whining on about how services are further being cut to the bone due to yet another influx of migrants who'll be entirely dependent on welfare. Maybe they'll even stop complaining about their summer holidays or business trips repeatedly being delayed by other equally desperate migrants trying to get across the Channel. Let's hope so eh, but in the sudden effort to be more humanitarian let's not forget those who desperately need help and are already living amongst us.

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How can Bob Geldof afford to shelter 4 Syrian families after giving away all of his money to starving African children?

One of the richest countries in the world Saudi Arabia has done nothing to help the Syrian refugees

Typical. They'll cut off your hand but they won't lend one.....

Master plan.

1. Welcome all the Syrian refugees into Europe.

2, Give them all a job in the armed forces.

3. Once trained, send them on a mission to fight extremists,

In Syria.

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Given what's happened over the last couple of years I wonder if people still think that choosing not to engage in military action in Syria was the best policy. :shrug:

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You would have still had IS and the Kurds trying to take over.

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Yes, quite probably. I'm not suggesting it would have been a panacea but it's an interesting question to pose.

Meanwhile, I wonder how long the clapping will last at Munich station...

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I thought you were against Western military intervention in the Middle East?

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When are the rich Arab Muslim countries of the region going to step up to the plate and take their fair quotas of refugees? To date the five richest Arab nations have not taken one refugee whilst in Europe we're expected to soak up millions.:mad:

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The whole thing is mad and whilst the Sheikhs are sitting on their arses, the Germans are going to see just how many people now decide that's the place to go and would quite like to bring their families too.

Meanwhile it appears the Turkish authorities have restarted intercepting and arresting people trying to cross from Turkey into Greece. Maybe pressure is being applied somewhere behind the scenes.

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Many,many reasons why the gulf states don't take large quantities of refugees ,probably the biggest reason is that the refugees ,lets use Syrian refugees as an example ,do not want to go to ,for example to Saudi.

A more detailed answer than mine is here

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Well if they don't want to go to Saudi Arabia that doesn't preclude the Saudis from providing massive amounts of aid. Not sure they're doing that either. for the Syrians or anyone else for that matter... :confused:

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http://www.globalhumanitarianassista...e/saudi-arabia

https://www.saudiembassy.net/affairs...s/foreign-aid/

Saudi is very generous with it's overseas aid to Syria and other countries , for a country with no dedicated government department to administer overseas aid and no treaties to force them to donate aid such as we in Europe have they don't do so bad

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You can't spread islam to a country that already has it in total control. :dunce:

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Perhaps they need to set one up then - they seem to have no problems investing overseas. Surely any rich country which wants to donate aid ought to create the necessary departments and other mechanisms to enable that to happen. This sort of thing's been going on in their back yard for years and they're still not properly equipped to help? :confused:

It's not only SA either.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...rias-refugees/

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We all feel sorry for these people but this ridiculous crisis has been exacerbated by the EU.

We never signed up to the Schengen Agreement and therefore we are not bound by it. This is a problem made worse by the EU, who should now deal with the consequences. David Cameron is right to concentrate on those who are currently languishing in camps outside Syria.

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Agreed, Saudi Arabia is not on the wish list of people fleeing religious extremism!

It is, however, worrying that a chap who tore up the Koran was perused muderously by fellow refugees while seeking refuge within the EU!

What on Earth is Europe letting itself in for? David Cameron is right not to involve himself in the cobbled together solutions offered by the EU!

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Why do they the Saudis need a governmental overseas aid department when they are clearly being quite generous and managing perfectly well to help other countries without one ,maybe we could learn a few lessons and start to ditch some of the beurocracy that seems to infest our government .

Incidentally, this sort of thing has been going on in their back yard for years and they have been giving large quantities of aid for years , sometimes putting us to shame so anybody saying that Saudi Arabia does nothing is quite frankly talking out of their ass

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Oh I thought you were citing the absence of such a department as an excuse, hence my comment.

I think we're going to have to disagree about how perfectly well they're doing because from where I'm sitting they could do a whole lot more including reforming the various rules, even temporarily, which evidently induce refugees from their own region to prefer taking their chances elsewhere, even if that means risking their lives. Frankly anyone who thinks SA is doing its fair share is talking out of their ass... ;)

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In the rush to welcome refugees and try to establish quota/numbers, I reckon a great many people are forgetting that a whole lot of those now being granted refugee status will, quite understandably be wanting to bring their families (mainly women, children & elderly) over in order to secure their safety. If these people are, as often claimed, stuck in war torn Syria and had to be left behind, how is anyone going to get them out? Alternatively, if they've been left behind in Turkey, for example, what mechanism will be used to extract these family members from all the others massing there? If they have no papers how are they going to be identified and is it really fair that simply because a relative made it to the EU illegally, they also get taken in whereas an equally desperate family who stayed together could be left behind.

Instead of making ourselves feel better in what I feel will turn out to be a short lived outpouring of sympathy and generosity in certain parts of Europe, someone needs to be considering the longer term ramifications of what's going on because if a whole lot of refugees are told their families are not going to be able to join them for whatever reason they're not going to be very happy about it. What are they planning to do if the decisions made in due course about where these people are going to go are not agreed to by the refugees? Is it going to be Hungary all over again with people forced to go where they don't want to, taken from their chosen Germany to some other place? Who's going to force refugees to go to a country they have no connection with, no desire to go to and where they're quite possible not going to be welcome? Whose going to force them to stay there?

Answers on a postcard to Jean-Claude Juncker please...

What our glorious leaders ought to have been doing over the years this crisis has been unfolding is thinking about the practical means by which they'd handle such entirely predictable and inevitable problems. It seems they've done very little thinking and even less planning, hence the awful chaos.

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Our Turkish neighbour is returning to Turkey shortly to move his mother further west away from the "conflict zone". The fear is that ISIS will enter the country in large numbers, along with PKK Kurdish and it'll all end up with a mass exodus of Turks to the west of the country.

And maybe further.

There are a LOT of Turks.....

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This is not going to end well for western civilization.:bigcry:

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I think you'll find that is the general idea and intention.

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Indeed. Oh wait.

We have provided more funds for Syria than the 'rich' gulf states combined. Our aid budget is dramatically larger than Saudi Arabia's. As we don't discriminate by religion and refuse to provide aid to states that don't share our religious ideals we also have a more complicated job of deciding where it should go.

Maybe we and the many other donor nations with a foreign overseas aid department do have a point and don't simply have them for fun and unnecessary bureaucracy?

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Probably not given the abysmal manner in which nations are dealing with the issue.

We are portrayed as heartless, presumably for not allowing 'refugees' in en masse, a large proportion of which are purely economic migrants. The UK isn't that bad. Took in more refugees than Germany throughout the 2000s and are doing a fair bit to assist those in and around Syria. More than the rest of the EU combined, and certainly more than the super-wealthy gulf states.

https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...015.09.04_.pdf

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The general idea and intention of many who come here and those of "their kind" already here.

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Never mind, if they become refugees we must take them in...

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Surely you're not suggesting that they may be in the slightest predisposed towards us admitting as many as possible and our enemies around the globe might also see some direct or indirect advantage to them in that end??... :confused:

Any such notion is clearly xenophobia and wicked scaremongering of the highest order. :rolleyes:

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My point was that the Gulf states are providing plenty of aid both financial and military contrary to some peoples belief that they are doing nothing or very little .The gulf states have so far this year donated $362,948,977 USD with a further $296,358,622USD pledged .The UK has donated $474,730,165 with a further $2,311,248 USD pledged as of 6th September 2015.Those figures do not include military aid to the Syrian rebels most of which comes from Saudi Arabia

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It's almost as if the Muslim countries want their fellow Muslims to flood into Western countries for some reason or other....I'll go and get my tin foil hat :D

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2 caliphates for the price of one. Steal one get one free...

Anyway, the Austrians are already planning to end the special measure which have seen so many migrants travel there in recent days and Germany seems to be realising what it's let itself in for.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34169726

I think they need to tell that to the migrants don't they?...

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Yeah, that bit in bold is kinda the problem. The Syrian rebels are Islamists much as ISIL are, just the 'wrong kind' of Islamists for ISIL. Both of them are packing tons of guns from Russia and the gulf states.

Perhaps if Saudi Arabia stopped dicking around trying to promote Wahhabism and stopped funding terrorism things wouldn't be so messed up either in the Middle East or the rest of the world.

I have no interest in taking lessons in pretty much anything from a regressive, misogynistic, frankly backwards country that competes with Qatar to be the major paymaster for international terrorism, is the driving force behind Islamism in much of the world, and whose primary contribution to human rights recently has been an attempt to enact blasphemy laws throughout the world.

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Just been listening to a BBC reporter confirming the presence of large numbers of young men of numerous nationalities trying to get across the Hungarian border. He spoke to some from Pakistan who freely confirmed their presence there as being in search of jobs in the EU. In the words of the reporter, 'riding on the coat tails' of the trail of refugees. I wonder if anyone will be applauding their arrival in town?

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Funny now that most people now say they are from syria.Word quickly gets around that that is nationality to be now.Just another buzzword like asylum,fleeing,persecution.

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Therein lies the problem and the genuine refugees won't be happy about it either. We really do have to be far more robust in our efforts to separate the genuine from the economic migrants. If the word that there's an easy way into the EU continues to spread like wildfire there are hundreds of millions of desperately people who have very little reason not to give it a try. I don't see anyone applauding that scenario. Furthermore when the current fever of generosity and understanding inevitably wears off our economies continue to falter and the pressure of services, jobs, wages etc. increases I predict a very significant increase in hostility and resentment. What's the EU's plan for that eventuality I wonder...

I believe that's what accounts, in part, for the refusal of certain gulf states to take refugees, they fear their way of life will be undermined and their society destabilised. Maybe they're right too.

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I was listening to yvette cooper(lab),nicola sturgeon(snp) and willie rennie(lib dem) at the weekend saying they would be willing to take refugees/migrants into their homes.Now please do not think i am being cynical but what are the chances of this happening?.None,nil,nada,zero,zip.Pure political posturing at the lowest.With their political clout they could make this happen easily.But we know they won't.

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I wonder where they've been for the homeless in this country?, but then that wouldn't give them enough smug satisfaction would it.

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Yes the usual suspects are jumping on the bandwagon knowing full well that they and theirs will not be sharing the burden equally and that the impact of more refugees and economic migrants will be primarily felt by the rest of us. Evidently some of them can't even bear to be treated amongst the rest of us in hospitals FGS...

Given the terrible trauma we're told many have been through and the likelihood of resulting serious psychological problems, I wonder about the wisdom of opening ordinary homes to such people in any event and can't help thinking that the current mood would soon change were there to be a serious incident involving refugees/migrants being so accommodated.

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I'm amazed the BBC reported that! :tu:

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Isn't it actually the other way around? It is the illegal immigrants from Pakistan etc, that established the routes. Any refugees are just using those. The methods and routes were there long before the refugees.

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Yes it is but in the past it was much more evident who were economic migrants and who weren't. Now the overall numbers are such that the system is swamped, providing an ideal opportunity for yet more economic migrants to take advantage of the confusion.

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So was I, hence my mentioning of it.

Wonder if he's been sent for BBC brain training yet... :D

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and what will the real number be once they bring all their extended family over here?

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Whatever the real number, it'll be miniscule compared the all the other inwards migration to these shores. Right now we have no effective control over such trivial matters as the numbers of people choosing to come here for whatever reason.

According to Sky News they will be given 5 year visas but does anyone really think that after 5 years many of them will return? I don't.

Meantime:

Germany will be 'changed' by their handling of this problem and elsewhere:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34173720

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Well Juncker's revealed his qualifications for being President of the European Commission - he's a much in denial about the realities of sustaining and coping with this level of migration as he is about the wisdom the single European currency and a single state. They're going to set quotas yet have no mechanism (or even any intention it seems) to prevent the migrants continuing to do what they've already done which is to choose where they want to go. In their eagerness to occupy the moral high ground nobody seems to be wanting to focus on the unpalatable reality of what's going to happen when the numbers continue to increase any more than they want to face what's going to happen about Greek debt.

Now there's an uproar about Hungary's actions (and even calls for them to be leave the EU) but remind us who admitted them into the club, it'd be the same blinkered idiots who admitted the Greeks into the Euro wouldn't it? It seems to me that in expanding East as keenly as it has, the EU has caused itself the very same problems on a national level which we're seeing on a human level.

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When all these migrants become EU citizens, I wonder how many will flow to the UK?

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Well I can't see any way of stopping them going anywhere they want to.

Anyway it's comforting to know that, several years after it began, the EU is now formulating a swift response" to this major problem. I doubt whether it'll prove to be determined, comprehensive or effective though...

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More European unity:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34203366

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No doubt there will be terror on the streets of Europe very soon. It's all gone a bit Bonkers!

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I don't think there's a major short term risk is from terrorism but it's hard to believe that there are no budding or actual terrorists amongst the millions on the EU's borders. I do think there is likely to be trouble as a result of tensions/resentment amongst host communities and increasingly amongst the migrants as they realise that the streets aren't paved with gold and being 'safe' isn't all they thought it would be. Resentment towards them will inevitably grow as their numbers rise and host communities start to feel the effects on their services and way of life. That's already the experience of many migrant/minority communities across Europe so do we really expect it to be different for the latest tranche? Do we really believe a few words from people like Juncker are going to change public (as opposed to political) opinion in countries like Hungary, Slovakia and the Czech Republic to the extent that the migrants sent to these places will be accepted and welcomed by all? These are amongst the places from which Roma have been 'expelled' in large numbers aren't they? Not much sign of tolerance and understanding there but then, these are the poorer EU countries where things like benefits and services aren't as generous as they are in Germany and the UK for example.

It won't be the TV reporters, commentators, pop stars, actors, comedians and politicians who feel the effects on the front line, it'll be those who already feel let down and are struggling to get what they feel they need and deserve. They'll see the efforts made to welcome refugees and quite understandably think 'why not us?' They'll be the ones whose services will come even more under pressure - housing, health/welfare services, schooling, jobs etc. and the trained staff to go with them don't grow on trees after all.

IMHO this is the real world and it's clearly not occupied by the Eurocrats and holier than thou personalities who're currently sitting piously on the bandwagon. They'll be the ones who'll be quietly jumping off it in large numbers when reality dawns, leaving our existing poor, vulnerable and needy to carry the can and continue the good work. That's what they always do.

I think expectations of a much better life have been hugely raised, not the least by what I believe will turn out to be a very short lived 'honeymoon' welcome period in the likes of Germany and Austria. It's perfectly obvious that not all these people will be accepted and go on to have the sort of happy, productive and trouble free lives they hoped for. For me that will be the breeding ground in which the disaffected could well be drawn into crime and yes even terrorism. It's already happened in the UK within a small section of our Muslim community, both home grown and even those who've come here as refugees only to turn against those who gave them refuge. The only question is how soon will it happen and the answer to that lies to a large extent in economic conditions within the EU.

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:tu:
Well said

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Not sure you could make it up:

Saudi Arabia offers to help with Europe's refugee crisis – by building 200 mosques in Germany

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Brilliant forward planning . Offer to do that in every country who takes in migrants/refugees and you have thousands more mosques in "christian"europe.Talk about trojan horses.Also germany must have a massive amount of available empty housing to take in 800,000 people per year.Their house builders are obviously more productive(as usual) than our lot.

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Pretty much everyone's house builders are more productive than ours. They don't have to work within such asinine planning laws.

As far as KSA's building mosques goes this is just what the refugees and the world need, more Wahhabism. It's working so well in enriching the human race.

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Well I'm sure none of us this saw this coming:

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/isis-manhun...attack-1519304

Never mind, I'm sure Juncker, Merkel et al have thought this all through and are ready to effectively separate the wheat from the chaff. Incidentally, I don't imagine the numbers of terrorist **** are large but they don't need to be in order to cause chaos. My worry is that amongst those who have and will be admitted into Europe there will be those who subsequently feel very let down by what they find here and then turn against us. I really don't know what we can do about that because the extent to which people feel betrayed will be in part a function of their own expectations, unrealistic or otherwise.

Meanwhile in Hungary the border fence is being erected with some speed as the numbers inevitably increase in the rush to get through before the border is closed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34217188

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So many suffer because of a few ?

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Hungary have been told to register everyone who comes through, seems that's what they are doing. Not a nation awash with the necessary resources for such an enterprise unfortunately.

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Don't forget us. We get to suffer once those **** bring their plans to fruition.

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Some folks do have short memories don't they...

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Have you looked at the rest of that site? :erm:

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**** ? Who precisely is **** ?

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No but it's not the only place the subject has been covered. ;)

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Hmmm.... Just took a proper peek and now I see where you're coming from. Possibly a passing Mod. might do us all a favour and replace the link with another from a slightly less extreme publication:

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/isis-manhun...attack-1519304

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Done :)

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Saudi Arabia Has 100,000 Air Conditioned Tents That Can House 3 Million People Sitting Empty Yet Has Taken Zero Refugees

While Europe takes the burden of the migrant crisis





http://www.infowars.com/saudi-arabia...zero-refugees/

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Terrorists/isis/other assorted western world hating *******s. Who did you think I meant? :confused:

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yep :)

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Little old ladies, nuns, vicars, babies, children, honest, decent men and women?....

Come on now you know you have to specify exactly who you are referring to every time you post or someone or other will accuse you of being xenophobic, racist or whatever, especially those who haven't bothered to read and digest your previous posts...

Anyway, does anyone know how Geldof's charitable efforts are going? With all his money and high level contacts, I'd imagine his properties are already full of refugees as are those belonging to all the other celebrity saints who appear so moved at times like this. I'm just a little confused about why it's taken him so long to offer them up though. Poverty, famine, plague, war and death aren't exactly new phenomena and they've all been the subject of many a lavish, star studded, fund raising bash over the years haven't they... :confused: :rolleyes:

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Saudi Arabia also has it's fair share of Wahabists in high places intent on exporting their vile ideology, via proxy, to any region with a power vacuum to exploit.

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I'd take issue with the claim that Europe is taking the burden here. Lebanon has more than a million refugees, and there are a very large number staying put in Turkey, close to the border with Syria.

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How many are using up limited resources like housing? It will be the UN etc providing resource such as food. Once they move elsewhere it is the "host" countries that bear the costs.

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Yes there is a significant difference but, given the numbers, the strain on places like Turkey, Lebanon and Jordan must be severe. The long term ramifications for the host countries will of course be different and I imagine those who make it to the EU are far less likely ever to go back. It seems many stuck in neighbouring countries which can't cope are doing just that.

http://www.theguardian.com/global-de...urn-to-warzone

Meanwhile:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34231905

Maybe they should have thought about all that before doing so. It's not like this crisis erupted overnight is it.

Now having acted unilaterally and with entirely foreseeable consequences, the Germans are telling everyone else they need to help out. It'll be interesting to see how many of those given refuge in Germany will be allowed to stay they and who they'll select to ship off elsewhere. Any chance of cherry picking I wonder... :shrug:

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An interesting allegation:
link, link

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Wow what a surprise!!! :eeek: :rolleyes:

The level of ineptitude which has been displayed by the EU in general over the last couple of years and Merkel in particular more recently is quite staggering and it's culminated in the Germans spitting out their dummy having got what they asked for. It's really quite bizarre.

I have no sympathy for Germany, if they're doing this because their population is falling then that's one thing but doing so in such a hamfisted manner, then doling out the insults and threats to those who disagree with their stance really does take the biscuit. They talked the talk now they should walk the walk and get on with it. Can't see that happening though - they rather like having their cake and eating it. Unlike Germany, our population isn't falling - far from it - so no lectures about more migration from Merkel please.

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the welcome mat didn't stay on the doorstep long did it .

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And now the Germans closes the border... in violation of EU "free movement" Schengen agreements. But they probably wrote-in a get-out clause.

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Coupled with the Greek debacle this episode is going to store up a whole lot of antipathy towards the Germans.

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Isn't the EU full of surprises... :rolleyes:

The more this carp goes on the more I want out.

Evidently Germany's Interior Minister and Vice Chancellor has said migrants can't choose the country they go to. I may be wrong but I think it's a bit late to be telling them that isn't it? The Germans welcomed them but a few days ago... :shrug:

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This makes interesting reading and none of it comes as a surprise to me.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...a-1052546.html

For reasons best known to Merkel and without much thought for the problems neighbouring countries will face as a result, Germany has sent out the clear message that if you are a refugee you are welcome there. It has done this seemingly with little or no appreciation of the huge ramifications of such a move. If you're going to raise the expectations of desperate people you'd better make sure you can honour your promises and if you're going to make promises which are going to direct affect your neighbours and supposed partners in Europe, it might be nice to seek their agreement first.

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It's a good thing... for people wanting OUT of the EU, hopefully it'll become enough of a nightmare over there that we'll overwhelmingly vote to leave.

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More EU states impose border controls:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34242123

Well that should slow down things in Calais a tad...

Honestly, if the EU is this rubbish by dithering interminably in an entirely predictable crisis which has unfolded over several years, just how bad is it going to be in a calamity which demands rapid and decisive action?

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It's not a violation as long as it doesn't exceed 30 days.

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How exactly does that comply with the Schengen (no borders) Agreement? Honestly, does the EU actually know what they are doing? :mad:

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And years ago... gastwerkers from Turkey that had no real rights in the country and worked for low wages. Now the gastwerkers are up in arms as their jobs are under threat. :dozey:

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Who could have foreseen that this would end up causing so much tension eh?... :rolleyes:

As I've said consistently, those affected by this mass migration won't be the Merkels, Junckers, Geldofs and Bonos of this world, it'll be those whose jobs, prospects, services and benefits come under direct pressure and yes, that'll include other migrant groups.

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I think the question posed in your last sentence has been answered many times.

They haven't a clue. They stumble from disaster to disaster, blinded by ideology, and desperately rely on Germany's guilt over World Wars 1 and 2 to hold the project together, alongside them, us, and a very few other member states bankrolling it.

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What annoys me is that Cameron and his puppets have agreed to put OUR money into Syria, in the hope that it will help migrants in camps there - who knows if OUR money it will get there

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Bless....

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Given it's going to the UNHCR it seems a reasonable assumption.

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So Charlie Hebdo do a couple of very cutting cartoons mocking the way Europe have responded to the refugee crisis.

The Daily Mail of all outlets trumpet the offence police's efforts to be too offended to actually bother comprehending them.

Meanwhile the French seem to have no idea what the fuss is about.

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And none of those concerned will feel the need to pick up a gun and shoot up the newsroom. Sounds like a well-functioning, open democracy to me.

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It's tear gas, razor wire and water cannon now. Where has all the applause and cyber-sympathy gone?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34272212

Desperate people do desperate things and it should never have been allowed to get to this point. Having encouraged this to happen and seen the consequences, even now they're dithering about what to do.

Anyway, I wonder what wrath the EU will bring down on the Hungarians for daring to take their own decisions just like the Germans did...

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.....I'm wondering what will happen when one of these "refugees" lets off a bomb at a German or Austrian train station.... it'll pretty much kill off border-less travel within the EU instantly, may even kill off the EU itself.