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Like there would never be a black American president, like there wouldn't be more women in parliament, etc etc.

It's the hippy apologists and those that shout out racism at every chance which are the real ones damaging this country. Any excuse to get upset on someone else's behalf...

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Couldn't have said it better myself. Thanks ;)

As I said before, I don't think there should be any religious involvement in schools or government. How many changes did Ruth Kelly make that were to do with her section of religion? Do you think she would have reacted different to a Muslim who had her position when it came to the crisis this thread is about? I rest my case ;)

Trying to blur the line by making it sound like someone is against all of a religion does you no favours. It also does not change the fact that these things are happening and it is due to a concerted effort by those involved in a religion wanting to force their radical thinking in to the education system. You don't even need to stretch your imagination to know this is happening in other areas too.

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Yeah but you'd think there'd be evidence though. Unless of course those pesky Msulims have infiltrated the media too and are keeping the proof suppressed.

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Evidence incoming in spades when the respective reports from Birmingham CC and the DfE are released.

You can also find evidence of rank mismanagement and corruption in the London Borough of Tower Hamlets, ruled by an Islamic clique of men (the cabinet is all men, all from a single party, all muslims while muslims remain a minority in the borough.

As far as religiousity of the education secretary goes I think the incumbent is quite bad enough. She is also the Minister for Women and Equality and voted against gay marriage on religious grounds.

Looking at the rest I'm hoping they all just keep heads down and mouths shut until the election and are promptly dismissed.

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So...no evidence as yet then.

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Boolooks

That is just first class bull shine.

And that opinion is just as scientific and accurate as that balls you've just posted.

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Hit a raw nerve then eh? You could have been a bit more subtle with it.

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Not particularly.

Just like to call out ******** when it i see it.

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The reports haven't been published but they have been leaked. If you want to ignore them even when The Guardian, having spent the past months calling it a witch hunt and even hosting commentary about Islamophobia, accept that it was happening that's your prerogative of course.

2 separate enquiries, one from the local authority that tried to claim there were no issues having ignored them in the name of 'community cohesion' have come to the conclusion that there were concerted, co-ordinated attempts to impose conservative Sunni Islam on secular state schools.

If you would like to hit Google you'll find plenty of reports. If you still want to disbelieve it after reading the evidence that's your prerogative but it does not, of course, make it any less true.

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You are aware that no-one votes people into the Cabinet and that people are appointed by the PM / ruling party, right?

I guess you were unaware that Baroness Warsi, a Muslim, was a member of the Cabinet and the third Muslim minister?

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Good old Ruth.

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From the council's own report - they having done their utmost to set up straw men and brush this under the carpet so without a doubt not independent.

The official government report is even less flattering.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-28419901

Though do ignore the nonsense from Tristram Hunt - none of these schools were academies until last year and some still aren't.

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Were you around in the '70's, the country did then, even an Irish accent was cause for suspicion.

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:tu:

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So there is a chance they won't face any misconduct inquiries over that part. What gets said between friends is often not for public consumption and it is often where you can be most honest about your feelings, so in general I don't think this kind of facebook comment thing should be used against people unless it is actually evidence of a crime.

Still find it funny that they mentioned anti-american sentiment. Most of the world hate america so why even mention that? :p:

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Said between friends verbally is one thing.

Posted in writing on a website, is another. Twitter has proven that.

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Posting online is publishing. If you wouldn't be happy for it to appear in a newspaper or news website don't put it on social media.

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Twitter and Facebook is pretty the same as publishing publicly although it shouldn't stop you expressing an opinion. I don't use facebook so I assume it's possible to make a private group for just friends a group that requires permission to enter? If so that is more akin to a private a conversation.

Even so, having an opinion such as those here in the Israel/Palestine threads shouldn't be classed as bad yet they seemed to have tried to beef out the report with as much bad as they could even though the report was bad enough without it.

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I run a private group for Newsgroup spots

I personally do not care who sees my views on this or pretty much any other matter I am not ashamed of anything I think

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But nobody gives a toss what you think.

If however, you were a teacher, there are many people who would be interested in you views and how decide to express them

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you only have to see the reactions I get to see some clearly do yourself included ;)

I do teach but not in school

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Need I remind people that you do not need to swear to make your point. Abide by our rules please.

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I apologise I thought it was ok to use that word as so many others have used it.I will not do it again

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Interestingly enough, it appears this secret plot by Muslims to 'take over the country' hasn't managed to extend as far as babies yet...

http://metro.co.uk/2014/08/15/top-10...-list-4833888/

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15th isn't bad. + 23 as well. + 57.

I reckon if you added them all up it would be in the top 10

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And 57. It would be interesting so see the actual numbers behind the placings.

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no 1= Oliver;) that'll get you picked on at school :shocked:

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How Muhammad is now the most popular name for baby boys in England and Wales... but it doesn't top official list because there are so many ways to spell it

The research officially lists Oliver as the most popular boys name, with 6,949 counts, but the way the names are organised means each different spelling of Muhammad is listed separately.
When all the variations are added together, including Muhammad, Mohammed and Mohammad, the name comes out top with 7,445 counts.




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Looks like that post was a bit premature now, doesn't it?

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1) Post snarky passive-aggressive comment using link to article to back it up
2) Find out it actually means the complete opposite to the point you was hoping to make
3) Curl up and die or taking it like a man or continuing to argue a point that is already lost?

There be a lot of Muslims in this country if Mohammed is the must popular name. Lots of Joshua and Jacobs too, so plenty of Jewish to keep them them company.

Not decided if this bit is scary or cool yet

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Here's the source data...

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/vsob1/...boys--2013.xls

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Actually, as Ollie is at 80 with 800, Oliver/Ollie is still number 1 with 7,749.

Update - looking at the spreadsheet, Jack and Jake add up to 8,523...

Does that mean the Daily Mail headline was perhaps a little inaccurate?

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Can understand the huge increase in the name Riley, with the lovely Rachel Riley being popular but the big increase in Dexter....are really people naming their kids after a serial murderer from tv? :shocked:

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Shshhh, let everyone have their moment of glee before you try shooting it down :p:

Jack and Jake are two different names, not sure why you would even think about adding those together.

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you'd make a good accountant with your blatant fiddling of the mathematics and play on words .

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792,000 births, 1,019 called Dexter - I thought it was from the cartoon series 'Dexter's Laboratory'..... ;-)

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So it's OK to link Muhammed/Mohammed/etc, but not Oliver/Ollie?

I think we know who were 'optimising' the numbers.... ;)

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if a person is called Oliver it s possible to nickname them Ollie but if it says Ollie on the birth certificate then Ollie is their name not Oliver though one could nickname them oll if one where grasping at straws .

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Why does everyone jump on the popular names issue? Why don't some parents have a bit of gumption and find a name that isn't in common usage? Be different but choose a name that's out of favour.

That way your child will be unique in their peer group..though having seen as a teacher what some parents do when it comes to names that are unique, maybe the idea that some countries have of announcing a list of approved names that MUST be adhered to might possibly be one idea to adopt.

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some of the names some kids get lumbered with borders on child abuse ;)

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tbf, it's less than 1 in a hundred boys that were name Oliver last year - so if you are called Oliver, and there are 3 classes in your school year, the odds are still against there being two of you in the same year.

Most popular (not equal) common ;-)

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That seemed to go bad around one time where people started calling their girls Charisma, Bliss, Mercedes, Porsche, Pixie-tinkerbell...

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http://thestir.cafemom.com/baby/1658...utrageous_baby

The 25 Most Outrageous Baby Names of 2013

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Like "moon unit" or "dweezil"?

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Why would you say that? If there was such a plot wouldn't 'Muslim' names be dominating that list?

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I don't think anyone has ever suggested such a "plot", but I just thought it was funny that your attempt at sarcasm went down like a wet fart.

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You don't think anyone has suggested such a plot....right, I guess you switch off when the CF racist squad post in here? Or is it denial?

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http://www.theguardian.com/news/data...e-times-census

I thought the claims were that the plot was to dominate the schools they were already in. (In areas where they have a high population)

The stats in the link say that the Muslim population of the UK is around 4.8% and although 10% of children are born to them it means their domination nationwide is a little way off yet.

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To take over the "country"? No.

They've certainly taken over certain isolated small enclaves, but like Escapee says, they're still some way off the whole of the country.

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Finally a post that makes sense. The biggest proponent of the "they're trying to take over the country" has gone and got himself banned but it's been claimed to be happening plenty of times in the past. There's zero evidence of it but that didn't make much difference and I doubt the lack of 'Muslim' names in that list will change anything either.

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Quite Pierre,

I bet the figures for Mohammed or any other spelling would be different if we looked at individual registrars offices. I would bet the Bradford stats would be a bit different from Llandeilo for example.

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One of my neighbours has mohamed TWICE in his name. Does he count twice?

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Definitely.

For instance, Harri is the 29th most popular in Wales, but it's 974th in England...

Similarly, Osian is 31st in Wales, 1634th in England, Jack is 39th in Wales and 1471st in England, Tomos is 41st in Wales and 1634th in Wales, and Gethin is 47th in Wales and 818th in England.

Lots of regional differences.

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I'm not sure of it's the same in England, but historically Jack wasn't the name registered at birth. I know some older generation (most now departed) who were called Jack, but their birth name was John. I believe it was due to their being so many with the name John Jones or John Evans in the area, that some were referred to as Jack to avoid confusion.

I think the spelling Jac started to become popular here when it started to be seen by some to be trendy to speak Welsh.

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Indeed, Jack, Archie, Stan, Freddie, Ted, etc. are all names that I see on the pegs at my sons nursery. All of which are shortened versions of names now used as proper names.

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I agree.I've seen enough children flinch at registration to know this..plus the arguments about non standard spelling of names can get a teacher into trouble over pronunciation.:rolleyes:

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Whats wrong with calling your kid Mercedes, Porsche, Ferrari, Skoda etc? :D

Trying too hard when you call your kid Charisma, Bliss, Trixie-tinkerbell or a name perceived as cool, rather than just something different and unique.

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There's loads of 'em, some of which aren't even shortened, Harry for Henry for instance, Jamie and Jimmy for James and so on

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Talua did the hula from Hawaii's parents got done for child abuse in Australia iirc, where as little aryan race's parents received no sanction in the US

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I regard it as child abuse because parents aren't thinking of the child just of their status within their social group..Some parents treat naming their child as though they are naming a pet.:rolleyes:

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Pet or fashion accessory. Totally agree, although I assume you saw my comment was said in jest :)

Then you have the ones that miss the obvious, which was unfortunate for one person at my school. If your name is Mr and Mrs King, you don't name your kid Wayne...

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In some countries, parents' name choices can be vetoed at registration.

A French couple the missus knows had so many kids they ran out of ideas, so they decided to name the next few after the Saints day they were born on (found on calenders sold annually by the firemen).

The last one was vetoed... he was born, they checked the calender... and it said FeteNat, so they shrugged and thought that was OK.

The trouble is it means National Holiday (Bank Holiday). :dunce:

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I know a Richard Head, I kid you not.

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Rather Jews than Muslims. At least the former don't want me to convert or blow me up....

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My neighbour called his son John.

Not sure if it's after John the Baptist. or just plain John.

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Or after you Gary, dear John

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Here's a real shocker - the Islamic Republic of Tower Hamlets appears to have an even bigger 'issue' with schools than Birmingham.

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/...cle1464847.ece (Paywall)

There are some interesting priorities among some parts of this community - the below is from the application for the Al Madinah Free School and it appears to suggest that the local community consider getting the kids properly indoctrinated into Islam at an early age a higher priority than their life chances in the future.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2014/09/3.png

Never mind homework, family life, social life or indeed being a child, Al Madnah's pitch was that the school would allow parents to not force feed their kids their religion after school from the age of 5 on a daily basis and instead outsource it to Al Madinah to do the indoctrination during the day.

No bloody wonder Muslims have the highest economic inactivity rate in the country along with a whole bunch of other social and economic factors where they come bottom of the demographic pile when they treat their kids in this way.

Awesome.

Rant over - this just wound me up chronically. I don't see Allah helping dysfunctional families and Mohammed is hardly a great example of how to live. :mad: :mad: :mad:

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They're too devoted to their religion.
they take it far too seriously.

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They're afraid not to be too devoted to their religion.

Others that keep an eye on them take it far too seriously.

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Repped: parental pressure, peer pressure, 'community leader' pressure, imam pressure.

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I know "Christian" Americans who are not religious in any form, but would not DARE not to attend church on Sunday as non-attendance would make them "outsiders". This same pressure makes them ensure their offspring attend also.

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I've noticed that.
a lot of people only go to church because they feel they have to because the neighbours are going. and they missed last week anyway. so missing another week is going to look really bad.

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what a dilemma church-pub church- pub- pub- pub :beer:

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Pub first then church - then it will not be so painful as one stands there in a drunken haze while pretending to be listening.

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Or in the case of the vicar talking in a drunken haze.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-30129645

Tip of another iceberg methinks. It's nice to see that in 21st Century Britain, integration is going so well...

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Well, the U.S. Army used to stare at goats. ;)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1234548/?ref_=nv_sr_1