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Yes but the people that pick the crap-up now.. will now be the supervisory staff employed by the Council to oversee the operations so there would not be any redundancies.

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You hope.

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Still waiting are we?

If person collecting disability benefits is declared “fit-for-work” and then the person*dies within six weeks, one might think the medical assessment was probably*faulty.* Or possibly that the person died of spite. When 200 people a week, more than 10,000 a year, die within six weeks of a “fit-for-work” diagnosis, one suspects that the entire assessment*system is faulty. If people can die from spite to the tune of 10,000 per year, the obvious question is “Whose spite is this?”

In Britain, assessment of the disabled — including fit-for-work tests — has been passed to a private company, Atos, a subsidiary of a French company. The assessment used to be done by National Health Service doctors. A family doctor, knowing the circumstances of a family, might be a bit “soft” and — in borderline cases — might err on the side of declaring a person unfit-for-wor. The Atos system uses qualified doctors and a computer aided diagnosis system to form an independent view.

With two hundred people a week dying within six weeks of a “fit for work” assessment there has been considerable criticism of*Atos*and of the Department of Work And Pensions (DWP). Michael Meacher*MP’s speech on 17 March 2013 contains a devastating analysis of failings.



Read more: http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/09...#ixzz2eEy02PIW

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So, to summarise .... You have no proof that ATOS has caused the suicide of 11,500 people.

Thanks for that.

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This load of UTTER NONSENSE YET AGAIN.:mad::mad::mad:
The only figures available and misused for this ridiculous argument are where people ARE STILL RECEIVING ESA. Deaths of those who are no longer on ESA ARE NOT AVAILABLE AND SO CANNOT BE THERE AT ALL. Some of them are yet to have even been assessed by ATOS, others are in the support group. Even whilst appealing you still receive ESA at the assessment rate at worst or possibly the WRAG rate.

From reply to original Freedom of Information request

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So the number of deaths information is flawed well there is still plenty of evidence showing how flawed ATOS is without it

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Whether ATOS are responsible for suicides is beside the point (and cannot be quantified even if true) what the point is, is that they are costing us a lot of money and providing a lousy service doing an injustice both to the people that have to deal with them and the people paying them. I'm all for reforming the system but not the way this government is doing it because they are not achieving much at all a lot of genuine people have been unfairly hit and their suffering increased that cannot be a good thing.

Many organisations joined in with this government early on to suggest practical reforms to the system that wouldn't have caused half the problems and walked away because it became clear the agenda was not really reforming the system. Oh for a bunch of people in government that truly did what was best for the country and the people of this countrry then the ego driven idiots we keep electing.

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LABOUR introduced ESA. This government introduced annual independent reviews of how the system was working. It seems that the government has accepted most, if not all, of its recommendations and is at least attempting to solve issues, unlike Labour. You are not going to change the attitudes of people at ATOS and the DWP overnight. The rot set in and was created under Labour.

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As I expected from the Tory loving Daily Mail reader.zzzz boring.

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Well reasoned, factual rebuttal...

(or was it an empty ad hominem jibe - difficult to tell the difference).

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was that sarcasm or a ad hominem jibe in return?

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Statistically there is bound to be at least a few suicides directly linked to ATOS actions. One is too many.

At least the UK police can listen to music at work with the taxpayer picking up the £660k music licencing fee, have to get our priorities right http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-23984386

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Any company that has TV's on the wall or radio's in there warehouses is supposed to pay for a license. The people who visit the company's act like the idiots from the Tv tax collections. Where my wife works they had to remove the radio from the warehouse because the owner of the business cannot afford the cost they demanded when the stormed into his warehouse. Yet another tax on the public, It used to be that the tv tax paid for it but they must of realised they could squeeze yet more tax out of us by having them separate.

http://www.ppluk.com/I-Play-Music/Bu...ness-type-114/

Then you wonder why people just tell them to go forth in short jerky movments

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Interesting site

http://atosvictimsgroup.co.uk/tag/suicide/

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It's all well and good blaming labour but the coalition has had three years and a considerable offer of help on the welfare issue and has driven most of those with a lot more knowledge on the subject then IDS away with the agenda they are persuing which is cost cutting by any means. They have changed the rule's so that being able to walk 20 metres dismisse's you on a number of mobility points doesn't matter if your in pain at the end of the 20 metres doesn't matter can you repeat it within a certain time or is 30 or 40 more then you can handle do members on here really feel that's fair.

It's the tip of the iceberg on how genuine claimants have been hit by this coalition since they took power and continue to be hit. I have never denied the system needs reform it needs to be a system tightened up so that only those genuinely needing help get it and so that the taxpayer can feel the system is targetting the right people and is not a free ride but this process of reform is not going to deliver that. Keep blaming the past if you want it's what we have become good at in this country looking back and not dealing with those issues that will affect us in the future you can see it right across the spectrum from welfare to energy to education.

We deserve better from those we elect at the very least we deserve honesty from them on the issue's they claim to be dealing with not ridiculous blame for the country's problems not misrepresenting of statistics to justify an agenda. Why don't we demand more from them why do we let them off the hook everytime by turning on ourselves. We so often look down on politicians for the rubbish they get up too but i'm starting to realise it isn't them that's the problem it's us we allow them to turn us against each other and never actually nail them for what they do were the idiots.

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not an easy read that site :( good spot

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One of the worst bits

Six per cent of doctors have experienced a patient who has attempted – or committed – suicide as a result of “undergoing, or fear of undergoing” the Government’s fitness to work test.

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interesting to note that having read the full stories of 3 of the suicides 2 had life threatening illnesses and one was an unemployed helicopter pilot with a history of attempting suicide

just saying .

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Would seem obvious to ATOS that they are unfit for work then

just replying

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I think most suicides aren't caused by a single issue but by many with one finally breaking the proverbial camels back, how many have to be pushed over the edge by these reforms before we say enough.

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i agree ,but what do we do ,the reforms are needed and will happen ,the chances are that if it wasn't the reforms that tipped them over the edge it would have been something else

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see that's the whole problem not all life threatening illnesses mean you cannot work ,plenty of people do with the correct medication

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So there shouldn't be any tests and there were no tests before?:rolleyes:

BiB it is ironic that aspect would be from the bogus hysteria about ATOS and the tests.

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no the problem is someone who has no knowledge of the individuals circumstances are performing a flawed medical and coming to judgements in a time limited interview. Said decisions then have massive impacts on the lives of those subjected to it

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what is your experience of the medicals?

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I was referring to the suggestion that the fear of a possible examination might cause a suicide attempt. That fear would come from adverse comments and not an actual examination.

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oh right I understand

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Wrong,I was in hospital last year and was chatting to a doctor who was an In Patient himself.
He told me he was totally dismayed by the amount of times he'd mark a patient unfit for work only for Atos to go behind his back and mark that patient fit for work.
As an aside,3 weeks ago my bro in law died.
He'd been going back and forward at least twice a year to Freemans hospital in Newcastle after having a lung transplant.
He was on 4 bottles of oxygen a day then it increased to 8,Atos unbelievably asked him to go for a medical,Christ Almighty he could hardly walk 10 yards!!!
Did Atos give a damn about his health records they received from his own GP?
Nope.:mad:

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that was a sarcastic reply. If you look back you will see I am against ATOS and all who sail in her

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I do apologise mate.

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In answer to the what do we do people we hand testing over to the one body in this country with the expertise to make accurate assessments based on years of evidence the NHS. It's not rocket science but it won't happen because the government knows that proper doctors won't sign people as fit to work when they are not something ATOS has no problem doing.

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Suppose this is bogus to

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35544859-post118.html

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I think some are to scared to see what is happening to people

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Just had my email from disability and work and apparently appeals have double for the same period last year and 42 % are being upheld. That is a hell of a lot of people given the wrong results.

93000 esa appeals nearly 40000 upheld that is 160 000 a year if it continues wonder how much a tribunal costs ? even if its only £200 ( bet its more than that) that is £32 million spent on appeals when a proper medical and assessment would have saved it. But there were 93000 so make it a conservative average say 300 000 a year @ £200 each is £60 million pounds

Now lets break it down again to claimants one claimant gets around 6500 a year on full ESA so that is 9230 ESA claimants money for a whole year gone and 4500 years money totally wasted on poor assessment

And them figures are low due to me only saying a tribunal costs 200 quid

Not a bad guess as The Independent says tribunals cost 66 million http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-8724779.html

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Here are a couple of high profile cases of benefit fraud from my little town.

The first one is a case from this month involving £100k of benefit fraud.

http://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/new..._cheat_jailed/

The second from last December involving £108k of benefit fraud.

http://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/new...of_Wellington/

One wonders if my little town contains all the benefit fraudsters or if this is happening all over the country;)

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the partner living somewhere else is a common one I am afraid it allows one to work while the other claims and is wrong

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Link - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...s-jobless.html

Yeah right, good luck with implementing that one. IDS is in a league of his own.

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Not enough jobs to go around so they make the unemployed do jobs that do not exist or could be done by a proper employee. All this will do is raise unemployment as councils sack their bin men gardeners and cleaners and instead have unemployed do it for free

Give the long term unemployed decent bloody training not work experience or community service where they will just do a half assed job anyway. Give them a chance to better themselves its not rocket science

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Makes you wonder if they'll wear yellow boiler suits with unemployed written on their backs when they 'community service'.

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who knows they may just give them the red make them look like criminals just to appease the its all the scroungers fault crew

This is just another attack on the easiest target just to post figures again

less than 5 billion on JSA 15 times less than State pension and only 5 times more than the EU has demanded in extra payments this year due to being skint. Oh and less than half of what has been given away in aid.

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They just said on ch5 that it will include those on 'incapacity benefits' - that will be interesting.

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Hmmm wonder how they will make people even ATOS say are to sick to work work .

LOL all they will achieve with this is a rise in unemployment they must be jackassess not to see it

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We will live to regret how we victimise the unemployed eventually.

there's a cemetery by me which has "Community Payback" painting the perimeter fence at the moment.

the unemployed will be soon doing the same job.

and it will be interesting what kind of uniform they wear. how they're treated, and how they're spoken to.

I honestly think that now that ball has started rolling.
it's going to get ugly. so be careful out there :)

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That one's new to me, the courts are going to be busy when they sue for making their conditions worse.

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If they're 'working' 30 hours per week. how are they going to find time to get a real job?
or is the thinking and reasoning that because there aren't enough jobs for everyone anyway, then they're not likely to get one anyway.

is it going to be acceptable that they will never find a job. and as long as they're working for free. and possibly going to make many hundreds, if not thousands redundant. then we don't care?

many people work part time. less than these 30 hours the unemployed are expected to do. have they got spare time on their hands to look for a job? do we assume that they don't have a life as such. so will have plenty of time on their hands.

it works in America, because they have discipline if you like. but over here there is no discipline or respect. somebody who feels that they have nothing left to lose won't think twice about their actions.

councils have got to save millions. make the workforce redundant and use the unemployed.
that thing about they won't be allowed to will be out the window.
along with everything else that is happening with this government that are using us all like pawns.

Where have I got 30 hours from?

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Most people consider full time work to be 35 or more hours per week. In many cases people working full time are doing 40 hours, occasionally more than that.

Yet you don't hear people moaning once they get to Thursday evening that they don't have any time left to work the rest of the week, do you.

The point is, as a fit, able bodied, working age adult, you are supposed to consider it normal to spend 35 or more hours per week in productive employment, unless you're rich enough by your own means to choose a life of leisure. If you claim dole for so long that the state starts to demand something in return, and makes you work 30 hours, then you are still doing at least 5 hours less than someone who actually works and pays the taxes that subsidise your living. You have at least one hour in every working day to continue to look for work. I predict this programme will also allow time for interviews and reasonable travel.

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So basically they've thrown the National Minimum Wage law out the window then.

it's like the bedroom tax.
people should move to a smaller house so as not to be victimised.
(there isn't enough even if they wanted to)

work for your dole.
work full time for a few quid, or get a 'proper' job.
(there isn't enough even if they wanted to)

pay fine for walking on cracks in pavement.
avoid the cracks, don't pay the fine.
(there aren't any non cracked slabs to walk on)

who's to blame for the mess the country is in?

in the Great British survey most of those that are employed. blamed those that are not employed. and were surprised to hear that it was the bankers and old people.
(they said, well David said it's them **** on the dole, and I believe Dave)

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Your satire isn't very funny.

The simple lesson is this: if you rely on the State for your living, you will get what you need, you may not get all you want.

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Unless you have some taken away

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If only that was true. Getting what you 'need' isn't down to your what your needs are. That depends if you meet a criteria that is beyond reach for most.

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Yes it is.

Ok. that's the lesson.

what's with the punishment then?

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Isn't it normal to expect wages when you work to, not benefits and what if the scheme doesn't work as I've just been listening to?

http://niesr.ac.uk/blog/dwp-analysis...g#.UkVzJ7tZ62I

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In much of the world it is also normal to expect to get nothing if you *don't* work.

The British problem, as it has been for decades, is the sense of entitlement.

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Regarding A4E, this concerns their Slough office http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-24291161 Considering they must have a fair few offices, it makes you wonder if it's going on elsewhere?

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Making money out of the unemploymed by way of fraud.

that's a new one.

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In much of the world it's also normal to starve to death or die of curable diseases, do we want that here to and I think dole money is pretty much nothing, you'd have to have serious deficiencies to think being on the dole was anything other than bleak.

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If folk on benefits can afford the vip package and own a iphone 5s on benefits then we are paying the unemployed too much.

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A single person on JSA could not afford either. Only the baby machines get loads

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Yes, I could never afford to have an iPhone on benefits. Not that I would buy Apple crap anyway.

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You forgot the obligatory 50" flat screen TV to watch it on. Of course you can have everything you dream of and all for £70 a week. lol.

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More info and update on the new 'work for benefits' policy.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24327470

3 years on the dole before it kicks in seems quite realistic to me.

Though I am against community service as I don't see what that achieves towards getting a job and more like a punishment.

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I get the impression that it is about promoting attitude adjustment, rather than introducing candidates to potential employers.

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still got to be able to magic up all the jobs for those with adjusted attitude to go to

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Promoting economic recovery is the best way of creating new job vacancies.

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I think it is more a political attack against Labour, the "benefits party".

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Not sure what it's like where you live but round here there are plenty of non-skilled jobs that can be done.

As Chris said this is very little to do with job matching but far more to do with getting long term unemployed used to getting up at a set time, getting them to a place where they work then they go home so they are getting a work ethic.

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honestly that is all well and good but to do that there has to be something they can do, If there is something they can do then it would normally be done by someone and this someone would be paid.

So if there is a job needs doing give the long term unemployed that job they have to take it and pay them otherwise they are doing someone else out of that job and that changes nothing

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That's a point. If someone is doing proper work during this scheme then shouldn't they be paid for that work rather than receiving benefits?

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No. There is no necessary connection between fulfilling legal obligations and getting paid at national minimum wage or better.

You don't get paid for jury service, you don't get paid for attending compulsory schooling, I'm pretty sure I could come up with a longer list without too much effort.

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How do you mean "proper" work?

doing the jobs that social services would have done and paid somebody to do anyway?
doing the jobs that the council would have done and paid somebody to do anyway?
doing the jobs that the likes of Tescos would be paying somebody to do anyway?

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Legal slavery in Britain.

who'd have thought it?

and the 'workers' and some of the brain dead have been fooled into bringing it back.

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Work, sign on daily, or the best of all 3: attend classes for literacy/numeracy until you find a job.

I hope they have good teachers as some unemployed will be up to degree level literature/mathematics. Either when they start, or when a job actually becomes available.

I hope this also applies to persons to whom English is a second language.

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Work = Doing jobs that would have to have been paid for by government departments, and companies.
almost certainly resulting in saving money by not having to pay a wage to somebody they once were, or would have.

Sign on daily = I'd say it was more than just popping in to give your autograph.
it'll be like a community centre day.

Classes = they'll probably send them home early when the staff have got an headache.

Depends if it will be fair to make them attend. and if making them attend doesn't offend them too much.

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Sign on everyday... That's fine if you live near a job centre, but if it was me that would be nearly £4 a day.

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Last week a Family of six in Maidstone, Kent... got a four bedroom house... the so called male of the family has never worked, they just bonk and have kids.. they get benefits of £27,000 a year... scummers...

Those of you who are unemployed and seeking work good on you.

I only said some 4 weeks ago on another thread that people will have to work for their benefits, with travel expenses paid.

Just recently there was an article in our local rag... showing what some of our Countys MPs have claimed in expenses... the average was £155,000. (blimey).

Six years on their expenses and I could retire.

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Expenses are just recompense for money spent, so how could anybody retire because of it.:rolleyes:

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A lot of what MPs claim on expenses are things the rest of us have to pay out of our salaries. It might be a stretch to say you could retire on it, but expenses fairly stretch your income when you can use them to pay for furniture, electronics, meals and travel.

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All it will mean is that instead of 6 paid employees picking up litter there will be 12(example) 6 paid and 6 receiving dole ,the job can done by the original 6paid employees so no one loses their jobs

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Oh yes because that's what will happen.

I heard they're going to ask them to go into old.peoples homes and keep them company, read to the and cook their dinner. Let's hope everyone they send can cook then and read and are all crb checked.

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And at the end of the week 6 will pick up a full wage.
the other 6 get their dole money.

what makes you think councils will be stupid enough to carry on employing the original 6?
they can take advantage of the cuts distraction and use it as a cover to make them redundant.

they were going to lay them off anyway. and as unfortunate as it is, it's just a coincidence.

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I wonder if when they read them the stories, and not doing the characters voices (like the big bad wolf) properly.
they can use that as a breach and a sanction?

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Depends on the job though doesn't it? If it's one for which you would normally expect to be paid then that would be problematic. I.E The street cleaning example used in this thread.

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You still wouldn't have spare cash left over. The expenses for things like furniture are because the job requires them to have 2 homes. Their salary is meant to fund one of the homes, not both.

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which should encourage the 6 on the dole to get a job

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and what do you think will happen if LA's suddenly start laying of their workers in favour of "free DWP workers",there will be safeguards in place to prevent that as there are now with the other schemes

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The council could employ them. everyone's happy.

Why not?
they can't afford to employ them?
so what makes you think another company can afford to employ them, then?

someone will have to employ them. because sooner or later they're gonna stick that broom handle up someones bum :D

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I'm sure Dave and his men will have that covered now.

his sheep and brain dead will be distracted by the talk about what the **** are doing to be more of a burden to good honest hard working workers.

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Yep,so what you will get is cleaner streets, neater public parks and more chewing gum and pidgeon crap scraped of the floor for the same amount of money spent ,of course the council could employ all this extra labour by raising your council tax if it makes you feel better

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or go and mug the other 6 on their way home lol

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And the guilt trip of knowing that 6 of those that made such a nice job. did it alongside 6 others that got paid a full wage, compared to their welfare payment. for doing the same work.

See. it all comes down to money.

if they made the original six redundant and used the free 6 instead. then the council tax would go down anyway.
there's no fairness when it comes to things like this. the unemployed will tell you that.

so I don't know what you're moaning about.

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This has shocked me, i did not realise so much is being paid out in just one council area.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-24259715

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Our local council has been very actively laying-off most of their interior and exterior cleaners. Perhaps this is what they have been waiting for?

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Probably.
it's a good way of saving all that money they've got to save.

lay them off gradually saying it's all due to the cuts. and by the time enough people start complaining about there's no cleaning or anything being done for the council tax they pay.
the council can say well yes things are looking a bit dirty lately. we'll have to ask the DWP to send us a few thousand **** bags :)

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So Gary, are you a council worker in fear of his job, or a long-term claimant in fear of a job?

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Clever :D

it certainly does seem that panic is setting in

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Neither.

Are you a politician or a chemist?

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Both. When did you stop beating yourself up?

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You're starting to sound like a policeman who thinks that just because someone runs, then they need arresting :)

How do you fit into the discussion?
or are you here as just the worker?

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When I broke my own nose.

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to provide a bit of balance when you lot start whinging that us workers aren't working hard enough to pay for all the dole you want ;)

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Don't put yourself down too much, Marty.
I'm sure you're working as hard as you possibly can to pay their dole :)

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My first ever job was in a park, I was working with one other guy, he told me one day there used to be six park keepers, I replaced five of them during the nineties mass council cuts, I saw him a couple of years back and it's just him there now, so if there's a free workforce there they'll take advantage of them whether that's through not replacing people that leave or more machiavellian methods remains to be seen.

Re: The state benefits system mega-thread. Many merged.
 

So those involved in this are claiming huge housing benefit (often fraudulently) which pays for posh flats which are then illegally sub-let to make additional income which isn't declared to the authorities for tax or benefit purposes. :mad: It beggars belief really!

Re: The state benefits system mega-thread. Many merged.
 

This is the type of benefit fraud that a lot of people don't think about when discussing benefit fraud ,normally discussions are confined to people working and claiming or giving false information to inflate a claim for sickness .I've said in these threads many times when told what the fraud figures are that they are a best guess because the majority of fraud remains undetected ,in this case i would suggest that poor management of the housing stock is allowing this type of fraud to be so widespread

Re: The state benefits system mega-thread. Many merged.
 

Your telling me these MPs have spent £155,000 of their own money and are now claiming it back!!!

Re: The state benefits system mega-thread. Many merged.
 

that's generally how expenses work ,spend the money ,keep the receipt and claim it back from your employer

Re: The state benefits system mega-thread. Many merged.
 

That's as long as you have the £115,000 in the first place. I consider myself to be well paid and i would never get away with spending that much on expenses and i have not the money to be able to spend that much over a year anyway.