Originally Posted by Henkesghost (Post 35585452)

Will this be on ESPN? ;)

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35585913)

Hearts placed into administration and deducted 15 points.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22953448

Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35585914)

Finally..i hate a drama

Originally Posted by MarkC1984 (Post 35585920)

Yes please, Celtic next.

Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35585968)

I think Hearts or Kilmarnock will go down this year.

I think the table will be as followed:

-Celtic
-Inverness CT
-Hibernian
-Ross County
-ST. Johnstone
-Dundee United
-Motherwell
-Aberdeen
-ST. Mirren
-Partick Thistle
-Kilmarnock or Hearts
-Kilmarnock or Hearts

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35586014)

I don't know why they bring out the Scottish lists, its almost certainly going to be Celtic win it again, there no club strong enough to take them on. Thats why l say that the Scottish League should be merged with English football.

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35586036)

Arthur the Scottish League will never be merged with English football.

Originally Posted by MarkC1984 (Post 35586102)

I agree with Arthur that there is no point in having a season, just give Celtic the title. I was hoping with Rangers going that other teams might get a chance to challenge, but Celtic won at a canter last season. Hopefully someone can put more of a fight up to stop them winning so damn easily.

Wouldn't mind any Scottish team joining English football, after all we have Welsh teams so why not Scottish? Only thing is, I'd say they should start at an absolute minimum in the Blue Square Prem or North and work their way up the leagues. Show how good they can cope with English football.

Originally Posted by MarkC1984 (Post 35586102)

I agree with Arthur that there is no point in having a season, just give Celtic the title. I was hoping with Rangers going that other teams might get a chance to challenge, but Celtic won at a canter last season. Hopefully someone can put more of a fight up to stop them winning so damn easily.

Wouldn't mind any Scottish team joining English football, after all we have Welsh teams so why not Scottish? Only thing is, I'd say they should start at an absolute minimum in the Blue Square Prem or North and work their way up the leagues. Show how good they can cope with English football.

Originally Posted by jb66 (Post 35586159)

I reckon celtic could win the epl witin ten years, huge club

Originally Posted by jb66 (Post 35586159)

I reckon celtic could win the epl witin ten years, huge club

Originally Posted by jb66 (Post 35586159)

I reckon celtic could win the epl witin ten years, huge club

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35586241)

Certainly one of the big two in Scotland but the EPL is a huge step up n.

Originally Posted by Henkesghost (Post 35586279)

Celtic reportedly set to sign their second player of the summer Dutch defender Virgil Van Dijk:)

The big two? Celtic and Hibs? ;)

Re a step up? Celtic would easily cope with the EPL. Would say only Man Utd, Arsenal and potentially Liverpool are bigger clubs than Celtic. City and Chelsea have more money but Celtic have a much bigger fan base than both. Like you say though irrelevant as it won't happen. Maybe Liverpool could apply to the SPL think they would walk second place and may win a cup ;)

Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35586405)

Hibs? If that is your level..you better dream of conference football

As to whether celtic would cope...certainly I think they can make championship..and depends on who they come against in premiership..maybe bottom half is possible..with luck

Originally Posted by Henkesghost (Post 35586414)

:D:D:D Last 16 of the Champions league 3 times in the last few years, final of UEFA cup. What's City's record like in the CL? Re the Hibs thing, just wondered who Den thought was the other big club was in Scotland. Absolute arrogance from you as per a high percentage of EPL fans, three quarters of your EPL sides are crap. What's the outcome been in recent years when Celtic have played competitive matches against English clubs? Yes the Scottish league is weak and has been since the early 90's but Celtic have done pretty well since 2000 in Europe, but your opinion of EPL is inflated beyond actual fact accentuated by Sky's continual propaganda.

Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35586424)

If every club was guaranteed a place (or playing for it against one other club), would they equally have a good record? Perhaps a better record?

Remember Celtic have been guaranteed a european place of some sort every year. On that basis, pretty hard not to have some record

Originally Posted by Henkesghost (Post 35586434)

Nonsense Celtic have invariably to play Pre qualifiers to get into actual main stage of any European tournament. Since 2000 we've beaten

Ajax
Juventus
Porto
Valencia
Blackburn (when in EPL)
Celta Vigo
Stuttgart
Liverpool
Lyon
Anderlecht
AC Milan
Man Utd
Benfica
Shaktar Donetsk
Dynamo Moscow
Spartak Moscow
Barcelona.
Rennes

and many others

Aye Championship level my fuzzy buttocks :rolleyes:

That's called having a history, maybe your franchise will have one day, like Man Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal ;)

Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35586441)

You seem to be missing the point. Celtic are virtually guaranteed that opportunity to play in europe..other teams have to compete to get a place.

So not appropriate to slate other clubs who don't get the lazy option.

If wigan had a chance to play in europe every single year, who knows..or everton etc etc

Originally Posted by Henkesghost (Post 35586444)

No you are missing the point completely. Do you think 3/4 of the EPL could boast a record like ours in the actual competition against these sides? Celtic could indeed qualify every year but could get pumped every time we got there. The point is we don't, we compete and that's without the tens of millions given to EPL clubs by Sky just for existing. That is the point;) And you were the one slating Celtic, Championship level aye right :)

Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35586450)

Stop right there
"think 3/4 of the EPL could boast a record like ours"

For that to be true, 15 teams in the epl would need to be guaranteed a european place every year, just by turning up

Celtic have that opportunity..they don't

celtic can coast at 90% of games when not in europe..epl can't

Originally Posted by Henkesghost (Post 35586462)

Jeez are u being deliberately dense? The point is when we are in Europe. You said Celtic were Championship level, oh you know what forget it.

Originally Posted by Henkesghost (Post 35586279)

City and Chelsea have more money but Celtic have a much bigger fan base than both

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35585917)

Could it be the first of many more in Scotland.

Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35586598)

Bigger fan base but other teams fans aremore loyal. Man City and Chelsea, vice greatest fans in the world. ;)
I must have missed the news stories about City and Chelsea having to close parts of their stadium as their fans can't be bothered turning up... ;)

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Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35586598)

Yep. Hearts are toast. They need £500k purely to get to the start of the season, they have negative cashflow with their recent share issue, 6000 seasons tickets worth of money and everything other income source already spent.
They can't sell next seasons strips as they haven't paid the suppliers and their stadium is about to be sold out from under them.

They have to try and persuade fans to buy season books for reserve team games next year. :erm:

The real question is what happens if they muddle through to play the first few games then go under. Also what if Dundee decide to appeal the decision of the SPL to declare that Hearts weren't insolvent and didn't warrant a points deduction which would have relegated them.

Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35586802)

Alternatively you can put your money in a brown envelope marked 'Never to be seen again as per share issue cash' and then set it on fire before popping it into the nearest bin as it'll end up with exactly the same end result as buying a hearts season ticket with cash.

Originally Posted by LondonRoad (Post 35586834)

Have Spivco got credit facilities yet? How much is there left of the money that was raised in the share issue. Is there enough money left to repair the dangerously rusty roof?

Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35586849)

Another deluded post from the obsessed.

It must really hurt you to know that your more successful rivals are still thriving while celtic are having to bribe fans along to the piggery to see their team struggle in a one horse race with their team of £25 million rated superstars. :D

I imagine your witty comeback will be along the lines of "In administration again yet?", "Criag Whyte still owns you" or "Ooh zombie team" :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35587586)

Celtic, Hibernian and St Johnstone await European draws.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23019923


Now who would those wise sages across the border like?.

Originally Posted by MarkC1984 (Post 35587630)

Doesn't matter who they get, none of them will get any further than the group stage of either European cup.

Originally Posted by MarkC1984 (Post 35587644)

Going on last several years for that post den. Can't think the last time I saw Celtic out of the group stages before last season. And even then they got hammered by Juventus. Would love to see a Scottish team do well in Europe, but I fear with Celtic and Rangers dominating over the last 27 years there is no chance of a Scottish team doing well in European competitions.

Originally Posted by MarkC1984 (Post 35587630)

Doesn't matter who they get, none of them will get any further than the group stage of either European cup.

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35587586)

Celtic, Hibernian and St Johnstone await European draws.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23019923


Now who would those wise sages across the border like?.

Originally Posted by MarkC1984 (Post 35588723)

Agreed. Rangers weren't shown any mercy with regards to fines and the like. One rule for all, not one rule for one club and another for a different club. I would expect that Hearts be given at least the same fine as Rangers.

Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35588648)

Boo hoo. Maybe if there was an outcry about the stupidity of fining clubs in financial distress when Rangers were hammered last year then I'd have sympathy but in the name of 'sporting integrity' the same punishment has to apply.

Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35588737)

No sympathy.

Rangers deserved everything they got..and it should have been more

Originally Posted by Henkesghost (Post 35588736)

Rangers liquidated, Hearts haven't, that's a huge difference

Originally Posted by LondonRoad (Post 35588749)

:erm: They're dead. How much more can you do to them?

There's no point in digging up a corpse to hang it again.

Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35588756)

Never tried that, but willing to give it a go :)

Originally Posted by Henkesghost (Post 35588739)

Incidently if any Celtic fan on here aint to keen on the new "hoops" they could do worse than this effort from Blantyre Celtic.

http://www.blantyreceltic.bigcartel....me-kit-2013-14

Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35588761)

You'll be able to try it on your own team soon enough. I hear tomorrow might have some 'interesting' news.

Originally Posted by LondonRoad (Post 35588910)

Grasping at straws:D:D

For every 5 "interesting" pieces of news about the SPL Champions there are ten spivtastic news items about t'other clubs :D

Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35588913)

SPFL is set to be launched tomorrow.

I call it PMFL.

Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35589008)

Is that the Pretty Much F@#*!d League?

Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35589008)

Is that the Pretty Much F@#*!d League?

Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35589113)

Nah it'll be great with bookies paying out on winners before a ball is kicked, a dramatic race to see who can go into admin first and the thrilling race to play hearts and grab three points off them before they disappear down to the lowland league mid season. :erm:

Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35589218)

Possibly the lemmings have decided that merging with the SPL when they are withholding details of how bad their financial situation is might not be the best idea.

http://m.stv.tv/sport/football/clubs...ssolve-league/

Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35589226)

I'm puzzled, violence has been down..supporters are happier, all without Rangers

Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35589239)

Yeah it's all been amazing without the only show in town. SPL fans said they would rather their teams died than help Rangers. It looks like their wish might come true.

How did sell out Saturday work for you? In fact how did being without Rangers work for you? You could ask BDO who are busy prepping the liquidation paperwork whilst begging Wonga for a payday loan to try and get the team through another week.

Originally Posted by colin25

Everyone did fine.

Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35589245)

Fine? Obviously your definition of fine varies from most people. Personally having a team on the edge of oblivion is pretty far from fine in my books.

I suppose to you losing an arm would be just a flesh wound? Contracting smallpox would be just a little infection?

Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35589295)

Interesting read

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/footba...son-1-2978984?

extract
Consider what Rangers were found guilty of by the judicial panel. Apart from being guilty of an insolvency event, they were found guilty of not disclosing the fact that Craig Whyte had been disqualified from being a company director. They were found guilty of failing to comply with the rules of the PLUS Stock Exchange by not disclosing Whyte’s disqualification. They were found guilty of failing to lodge annual accounts by 31 December, 2001 as required by the Companies Act 2006. They were found guilty of failing to hold an annual general meeting by 1 January, 2012 as required by the Companies Act 2012. They were found guilty of non-payment of PAYE, VAT and National Insurance contributions in excess of £13 million. They were found guilty of failing to pay money due to Dunfermline as per the rules of the Scottish Premier League. They were found guilty of non-payment of money due to Dundee United for a Scottish Cup tie as per the rules of the SFA. They were guilty of non-payment of money to the SFA in relation to the rules of competition in the Scottish Cup.

Originally Posted by LondonRoad (Post 35589306)

Don't be introducing facts into any disagreements with Spivco fans. They can't remember those facts that don't suite their delusions. A year since the old club passed away and they still won't let it rest in peace. :angel:

Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35589307)

It's ok...I have 5 minutes spare, and it amuses me :D

Originally Posted by MarkC1984 (Post 35589409)

To be honest, I'd forgotten half of what happened with Rangers last year. It just seemed like every day something new came out about the club and in the end I just gave up taking any notice apart from the liquidation and formation, demotion to Div 3 and their rapid rise to Div 2.

Hoping the Prem will at least look more close next season.

Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35589499)

You will have a lot more spare time once you've finished walking round the new Tesco Tynecastle. Despite Tom English being a rabid hater of all things Rangers related I did notice this bit from his dribblings.
OK. Minimum of £50,000 fine for hearts for insolvency. Anything less shows Rangers were treated unfairly.
As for the rest, how many times have hearts failed to pay players on time last season? How often were HMRC at court as they hadn't been paid? And the big question, when were they insolvent and should they have been relegated instead of Dundee?

Pretty much covers bringing the game into disrepute for me (and most neutrals) but nothing will happen. The authorities will roll over, maybe give another transfer ban that can be served when the transfer window is shut.

Of course my initial post a couple of pages ago mentioned the £50,000 fine not the full whack as I was clear the fine relates to an insolvency event and not liquidation, bringing the game into disrepute etc.
I'm perfectly aware of my clubs history unlike some.

Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35589403)

Hasn't this SPFL merger been pushed through yet?

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35593708)

Scottish football: Interesting despite the football.

Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35593702)

Meanwhile over in salt'n'sauce land.



Sounds suspiciously like a newco scenario to me. Assuming it is, and they don't get everything done and dusted for the start of the new season what will happen?

The precedent would be demotion to a lower league but how would that work mid season?

Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35593709)

Fixed that for you... ;)

Club9 are absolute shysters. They make Craig Whyte look like a fine, upstanding businessman. If they get control I'd imagine at the very least every season ticket bought will be a very expensive flick book.

Originally Posted by LondonRoad (Post 35593749)

If you're trying to look for similarities to what happened to Rangers (RIP) last year, then there are quite significant differences.

Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35593763)

I see you are still trying to deflect the shame that Rangers brought to football (not just scottish football)

Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35593770)

Yes. For a start Rangers were quite possibly the victims of criminal acts in their purchase, they were run into the ground by a man who the SFA and SPL were warned about numerous times yet did nothing to stop and were put in administration and had a CVA rejected on the basis of a tax bill that didn't actually exist. Hertz were just mismanaged and the plaything of an owner who got bored and threw them away.

When they rose again, as the same club according to the SFA, UEFA, FIFA and everyone else who has an opinion that actually matters, they play in the same stadium, in the same colours, with the same history.

Hertz probably won't have that. Tynecastle has a greater property value alone than what's being offered and the finances and holdings are remarkably complex. If the only current bidders to break cover and declare what they have money wise are club9 things look very bleak for them.



No I'm trying to make a serious point. Hertz are in the brown stuff very, very badly and the powers that be are sticking their heads in the sand. They already ignored them being insolvent and let Dundeeget relegated and now there is the very real chance of them going out of business mid season. That's before the £50,000 fine for going into administration BTW.

If they follow the precedent set by Rangers (same club according to everyone except the obsessed) then they will have to be demoted to the lowest league. How will that work when games have already been played?

Originally Posted by Henkesghost (Post 35596689)

St Johnstone win 1-0 away at Rosenborg in Europa League. Fantastic result :)

Originally Posted by Henkesghost (Post 35596689)

St Johnstone win 1-0 away at Rosenborg in Europa League. Fantastic result :)

Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35597293)

http://news.stv.tv/west-central/2335...re-coach-yard/



Arson, one of the worlds funnier crimes... :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Henkesghost (Post 35597309)

Insurance job? Heard the money's gone again :D Oh and that's a genuine question.

Originally Posted by Brentford FC Forum

I'm just back & struggling to contain the anger at what went on today. Our visitors sang songs celebrating the murder of drummer Lee Rigby, fights were provoked from early AM, balaclavas were worn, Provo flags and IRA chants continued throughout the game, multiple pitch invasions and finally Bees fans forced to take protection into their own hands thanks to the useless stewards and police. Celtic fans tried to smash the Brook rd goal and set off the sprinklers. I have seen harder firms than this lot over the years but never such a mass of prehistoric knuckle dragging sub humans with so little respect for others.

Bees fans should take credit for their restraint and for not aping this tribe of morons intent on causing grief. That said the highlight of the day was seeing a bees fan chase one of these clowns back to the way end when he invaded the pitch making sectarian gestures after their 1st goal - 100 metres in under 10 seconds!

Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35597384)

Obsessed, I forgot being a celtic fan automatically makes you a financial and tax expert. I thought Rangers were going into administration already according to you. We are living quite comfortably within our means.

Any comment to make on your fans disgracing themselves (again) by mocking the murder of Lee Rigby today?

Originally Posted by Henkesghost (Post 35597388)

You sad little man, right up there with the Islam CSC thing you embarrassed yourselves with at the Cup final. Sick that you lot should even try to start a rumour like that :( Sick actually

@joebhoy2412 Celtic fans were class today I had my Brentford shirt on and walking through the crowds and they put arms around me great ppl

Originally Posted by Henkesghost (Post 35597395)

Are u really so thick that u dont know rogue posters don't post on other fans sites? Bet you were on here bangin on about the Islam CSC thing you made a fool of yourselves over too, guess what that was all over twitter too

I will take the ban for saying it, u r a disgrace. I work with the army get yourself to eff