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No you're dodging the issue again. Nobody will deny that they have rightly been convicted. Your ignorance is your assumption that a) they're all Muslim and b) all Muslims view all white British women as 'trash'.

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Christ on a bike. This is tedious

If you're asking Nidge to prove that all the men in all these cases are muslim, you know it is a pointless exercise. and he can't.

OK point proven.

But I don't think it is unreasonable to say that the vast majority of men recently involved in this spate of sex gangs are Asian, and that the majority of then asian men are of Pakastani muslim origin.

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I've been saying that all along.

Even though there's little (or anything?) to suggest the 'majority' are Muslim, the fact that some of them might be has also not been in dispute. The issue here is with this incorrect assertion that they ALL are, and that all Muslims view white British women the same way.

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Now your talking out of your bullet hole.

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Pot, kettle, black.

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Well, going on the headlines (and working on the Nidge's logic if some of a group think/act one way, all members of that group act/think that way), white male Brits are all rapists and sexual molesters....

From the BBC News website

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-23941699

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...ester-23945708

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...ester-23935768

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-23932647

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-west-23944593

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-23935307

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-23926184

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-23931712

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-fife-23942922

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23932700

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...lands-23936046

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...ester-23881221

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We're on about Muslim Child grooming gangs you atmosphere hoover.

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No, we're on about Asian sex gangs.

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Ah, the voice of reason.......

Just pointing out the flaws in your, for lack of a better word, logic.

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How the hell can you keep denying the fact that Muslim Child grooming doesn't happen within the Muslim circle IE in Taxis, Takeaways etc etc.

This place really has gone down the <DELETED> pipe in the last few years.

Locations in the uk of Muslim grooming gangs, paedophila and sexual exploitation



https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid...6&source=embed

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I'm only picking up on the part discussing how white women are viewed, and I think it's a known that muslims in general view white women as having 'no morals' or 'easy'. This view is not confined to those muslims who go out looking for women for a leg over.

The opinion that white women are easy is also generally shared by black african men and women. The daughters of these families are usually brought up under stricter control than daughters in white families.

My partners daughter who is black, never gets any pestering from asian guys when she is out in clubs with her friends. Her white friends though are subject to being mauled by asians guys looking for a quick fun time.

I believe that white women in general having lower moral standards, coupled with being offered something a bit different means they are much easier prey for non white males. Male black relatives of my partner who are of the going out chasing women age also choose white women for some fun because they are easy.

When they are ready to settle down they generally choose a black woman for obvious reasons.

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Fixed that for you.

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A depressing commentary on our society and its crumbling morality, with rather a ring of truth to it, I fear. :(

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I am denying your assertion that all Muslims think/act that way (by being clandestine, to quote you).

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You don't have to fix anything.

At a conference in Bradford in May to unveil the Community Alliance Against Sexual Exploitation, Chief Superintendent Angela Williams, commander of the Airedale and North Bradford police division, said the tally of suspected predators now stood at 90 arrests in the last six months.

http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.u..._predators___/

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They are clandestine when it comes to their secret child sex rings.

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You do realise that article doesn't mention Muslims?

Erm....aren't all sex offenders like that?

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There's no way you typed that with a straight face . None at all.

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This does, http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/...angs-1-5653228

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/u...cle3765173.ece

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I have no idea, I don't have a mirror on my phone so I couldn't tell you.

Excellent, you've managed to find 2 articles that directly involve and mention Muslims.

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Funnily enough a Muslim guy asked the woman I'm sort of going out with the other day to marry him, she said he was creepy, only just met him as well, doesn't mean anything of course, just saying, dare say there's creeps, pervs and morons from all races, creeds and colours.

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Yes, an Asian man found guilty of a sex attack and whilst not a sex gang (as is the thread topic) thank you for helping to back up the point I've been trying to make to you.

It only took nearly 24 hours! :D

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Ermmm some people have to work for a living.

I think you're actually caricaturising yourself. I've tried debating the points but you can't seem to accept what is right in front of your nose. Even Muslim community leaders have accepted that there is an issue. It isn't just a matter of the community hiding them. There is a cultural issue with gangs of Asian men abusing young white women. You seem to live in a theoretical world and it is quite amusing to look at.

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OK let's look at all this:

You said that all Muslims look down on white British women, calling them 'trash' etc. You have nothing to back that up with so it's just opinion, not a fact.

You said all Asians are Muslims. This is clearly untrue, something you realised was wrong and backed down from later.

You said all these sex gangs have been by Muslims. I asked you to prove this: all you've done is link to SOME cases where the men were Muslims (I have never said or implied that there are no Muslim sex offenders by the way) and to some far-right wing websites where the word 'Muslim' is included in the headline but not in the actual article itself. Some of what you link to doesn't even mention the word 'Muslim', instead just 'Asian' - which although I'm sure it wasn't your intention, backs up my point quite nicely.

So far you have done nothing to back up your assertion. When I (and others) have pointed this out you simply imply we are in denial.

If you can show me where in each of these Asian sex gang cases it states unequivocally that they are Muslim I'll happily admit I'm wrong and will take your side.

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Pakistanis are Muslims.

Maybe your skipping round the issue? http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/400...iberal-cowards

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2013/09/38.jpg

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view6/362...ead-bang-o.gif[COLOR="Silver"]

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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...#ixzz2TpKIULQs

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Maybe, maybe not but that's not what you said is it? You said:

Let me tell you how I know that's not right. My OH is Indian (that's her in my avatar), as her family are as well, obviously.

None of them is Muslim.

In the same way you're dodging all my issues and questions?

Thank you - so now you finally agree that it's *some* Muslims, not all as you previously said.

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I just asked her if all Pakistanis are Muslim, she said some are but not all. It's like saying all British people are Christian.

You may need to check your facts in this topic a bit more thoroughly, it's starting to become as informative as an EDL forum.

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A very significant chunk but by no means all of them.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/pk.html

Of course I'd imagine the proportions of people not following the official religion would drop outwith the country.

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Never said Indians were Muslims did I? Please show me where I said it if I did.

Indians are Hindu Sieks like I stated well back in the thread.

Again like I mentioned well back Asia covers a massive area and just doesn't take in Pakistan and India.

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I asked you:

You replied:

In the links you've provided many have said Asian, not Muslim yet you've assumed that they are.

See there you go again. No, they're not. My OH and her family are not "Hindu Siek(sp)".

Yes I know, one of the few correct facts you've post.

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FFS.

Give up will you two.

You know the point Nidge is making. These Asian sex rings would appear to be predominantly Muslim.

Unless you have records as to the religion of every man implicated you cannot assert that it is 100% an Islamic issue.

But I think we can all agree, it certainly seem to slant that way. So Nidge has a valid point.

Until we have such information, we cannot say for certain that all the men are Muslims so you also have a point.

Both points are valid. Give it a rest. The last several pages of this thread have been trivial, childish, and very dull.

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That's not in doubt, in fact I've argued that point several time in this thread.

Not at all - he has this view that just because they are Indian, Pakistani etc then they must be Muslim.

Also apparently "all" Muslims consider British white women to be 'trash' - that's also BS.

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Obviously everything has got to be 100% correct with Russ. :rolleyes:

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Oh FFS get a grip man will you.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24075588


I recall thinking that the Data Protection Act would have unintended consequences and this seems to be one such. The police cited data protection law for serious failures relating to information regarding Ian Huntley years ago and now there's this which is very probably just another example of how well intentioned laws can have massive implications which weren't thought through at the time.

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There were 2 main problems with the Ian Huntley situation. First, he was never convicted of anything, second it was his girlfriend, Maxine Carr, that provided the link to the school. He worked at the building next door to the school. That next door building just happened to be another school. It could have been a factory etc or he could have worked in another building, even in another town. They went to the house to see Maxine Carr, not him. If CRB checks had been in place at that time, it wouldn't have changed anything, as it was his girlfriend Maxine Carr who was the teaching assistant and she would have passed the checks.

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IIRC the police involved deleted records they held about Huntley because they believed they would be in breach of the DPA if they were retained. The problem with laws like the DPA is that they have far reaching ramifications and the more complex they are the more there is the chance that they will be misinterpreted as was the case with Huntley. When I started my own business I presented my case for not requiring registration to the DPR office and, in view of their uncertainty, was asked if I'd like to be a test case. Laws like the DPA have very far reaching effects and it's clear (as with health & safety) that not enough is done to educate those bound by these laws in the scope of the law and their responsibilities. It's all become hugely complicated and when various groups, people and organisations are not completely clear about the rules, there's a very strong likelihood that things will go wrong and laws designed to protect people wind up having the opposite effect.

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The records only contained accusations and suspicions. Still doesn't change the fact that Ian Huntley could have been working anywhere. The problem was that his girlfriend worked at a school, not whether he did.

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I'm not arguing about Huntley's prosecution or the murders he committed, merely pointing out that Data Protection issues, specifically confusion by the police relating to the rules, caused a serious mistake to be made. It may not have affected the outcome in the Soham case but it could have in many other cases we don't and may never know about. It appears these 'unintended consequences' are still coming to light as highlighted by Gove's statement referred to above in relation to data protection and secrecy regarding children's welfare.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-22793664

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-24079667

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http://thebackbencher.co.uk/white-gi...-sexual-abuse/ . It's not just white non muslim girls being groomed by asian/muslim men

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Any lack of comment from the media, BNP, or, EDL, as criticised in the article, will be down to the report only coming out a few days ago and that there are no court cases involved. When court cases are involved there is an element of evidence and not just hearsay. They would be better asking why Muslims that are in the know about it, don't come forward.

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I don't think anyone is saying they target only whites.

Have you noticed how in these cases of gangs the vast majority (usually all) of the men are Asian?

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The main factor will be, are there any white girls available to them? If not, then they will have to choose others.

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Yes, I think there's a clear preference for white girls by many of these groups for reasons we've discussed and the existence of others who'll happily target other ethnic groups doesn't alter that. Let's not forget, however, that they're all **** and deserve to be treated accordingly.

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:mad:

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Why aren't I shocked?

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the whole family were involved, re-trials too..

http://news.sky.com/story/1155385/ma...rafficked-girl

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:mad: that whole piece is stomach churning to read, God knows what the little girl was feeling like

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We were talking about this at work yesterday, stomach churning right till the end.

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:mad: he'll no doubt get beaten up in prison, not sure if id support that kicking though if its from far right but hey its prison, we cant be picky :)

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This thread is about sex gangs.

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sorry.

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surprise surprise, not!

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I don't know if 3 counts as a gang (in the eyes of the law) but if so that's the first time an apparently British and white man had been involved. Still, the majority of that group is Asian which of course is no shock to anyone.

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Oh look, another Asian sex gang http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-24804979

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No, no, it's another taxi driver sex gang, or takeaway delivery sex gang, because those are the trades that have the opportunity, or something ... :erm:

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Men and youth deny sexually exploiting vulnerable girls, court told

THREE men and a 17-year-old youth have gone on trial accused of grooming and sexually exploiting vulnerable girls under-16.


http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/new...s__court_told/

Teenager tells of alleged abuse by Middlesbrough taxi driver

http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/new...y_taxi_driver/

[ADMIN EDIT Polite reminder - do not copy and paste entire articles]

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Oh look, what a surprise...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-25679982

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Yup, but it's pure co-incidence you understand. There's not really a problem at all...

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http://www.channel4.com/news/peterbo...g-guilty-abuse

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Question to ask is if there were no foreigners in this country would the crime/s still happen.

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That's quite surprising however it remains that none of these gangs (at least none that the press report on) have been white British yet.

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Really? If there were no foreigners in the country would the NHS still happen, would the economy still run, would we still have an internet systems, would we still have standards of education etc?

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There is good and bad in just about everything in life. Its pretty stupid to ask if the crimes would happen if foreigners were not in the Country.

A quick Google search pulled this in...

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...erage-boys-hiv

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There seems to be a lot of Johnny Foreigners committing this type of crime of late.

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You mean non-whites?

It's true that in all these cases there is a notable absence of white British people but to suggest that they're all foreign is pretty short sighted.

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The majority of ones being reported in the media seem to be "non white".

Because they are in the majority?

Or because that is what the media want to report?

How do I know?

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I'd find it very hard to believe there was a large-scale conspiracy to under-report on white British sex gangs.

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Not the correct reply... should have been YES THERE DOES SEEM TO BE A LOT OF FOREIGN GANGS OF LATE DOING molestation/rape of young girls.

I did not mention anything about colour...

I am not actually sure why there is a lack of white British gangs not being reported in the media. There is a report of 110 British Pedos (and around the World) who have been on the net with a connection to the Philapines. They have had their web cams looking at Parents doing unthinkable things to their own children...

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But I did because a lot of the people in these gangs are actually British.

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So if there is no bias or conspiracy, and reports are therefore true, then the majority of these deviants are "non-white".

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This has been my point all along. Do a web search for "sex gang in court" and see how many of those in the first say 20 results are white British.

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Right, let's see how this one pans out: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-25915972

Interesting he felt the need to say...

I wonder why he felt the need to say that.

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The lefty BBC seems to be very careful how they are playing it though, the wording gives the impression they may not all be Asian this time.

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Really does it matter what their background, ethnicity,age,gender or race are?

What matters is that all such are caught, prosecuted and hopefully jailed and that local authorities,police and others involved in dealing with such cases actually do their job.

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I agree entirely that whoever or whatever they are they should be caught and dealt with, but what I don't like is the hiding from facts or shying away from stating the obvious because someone may be offended. I think the facts have spoken clearly for themselves in the past cases.

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I can't believe anyone would ask such a question - yes it does.

If sex gangs were made up of people from all races then you'd be absolutely right. But in each and every case like these, the vast majority of the gang members are Asian, and those that aren't are not white British. Not a hit and miss thing, but every time.

There is something going on here. There's no way it's a coincidence. I'm not saying I have the answers but I cannot believe the authorities keep ignoring the elephant in the room.

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Every time there is a group of more than a few people that know each other and operate in-person, rather than across the Internet. We've had examples of rings that operate other the Internet that are often white men and examples of a small group of people who are white such as that nursery scandal a while back.

From the news reports it does seem that is something about how these people operate that is unique to the community. However the crime they commit is not limited to them.

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Assuming there is no right-wing media conspiracy to play-down any reporting, how often do we hear of these not-in-person white gangs?

Nobody has ever suggested that it is.

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Quite often. Isn't pretty much any busted 'child abuse ring' just a gang that operates over the Internet?

Also, Look at the allegations coming from the BBC and elsewhere back in the 1970s. You have child abuse in the Catholic Church and there are allegations of abuse at care homes too. Just because we don't call them 'gangs' doesn't mean they don't exist. The other thing is that when they're white their race is not mentioned which can skew perceptions a bit too unfairly on Asians when their race is made front and centre of the issue. Now I understand why that is but it's important to understand that it is the way they operate, and not what they're doing, that seems to be more previlent in the Asian community.

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I'm pretty sure the 'Asian sex gang' pops up more.

Not really comparable seeing as up until the late 70s (and during the era that most of the attacks occurred) the BBC generally only employed white people as presenters.

The same with Catholic priests, they were by-and-large only white.

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I don't care about the term we're using. I am talking about the crime. If a group of white men have conspired in person or over the Internet to abuse children then isn't that really a gang?

So what? They're still alleged to have done it.

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Yes it's a gang - they're over the internet and have no reason to know exactly who the other people in the gang they're talking to are. So there's at least a chance of a racial mix of individuals involved.

In these Asian sex gangs they're, well, all Asian. OK maybe not all but the vast majority are. As far as I'm aware, none are white British. That is is clear pattern and trend.

Sex crimes have been happening for thousands of years, regardless of race. But when there's a physical gang, the majority of races are Asian.

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Well if you're fine with the definition of a gang including people who haven't met in person then they're stories of these 'gangs' being busted all the time. It's just they're called peadofile rings rather than gangs.

Yes if you define 'Asian sex gang' then the majority of them are going to be Asian.

There seems to be a different modus operandi to these Asian gangs which is worth considering and looking into. Namely they operate in these close communities and target outsiders. This method of abuse seems to prevelent amongst child abusers from the Asian community, at least from the news reporters.

However that is where the distinction should be drawn. It is not the case that 'every time' they're Asian. It's just these collections of co-conspirators, or gangs, operate in a different fashion.

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Do you agree that when a case gets to court about a gang of men who meet in person to abuse or rape women/girls (regardless of ethnicity), they are normally always Asian, and those that are not Asian are still not white British?

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Good post.

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Exactly, white 'gangs' are generally made up of sick people from far and wide, Asians on the other hand do not appear to have to look very far to find willing members to form a gang.

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No but I don't have any statistics on me. I am not going to base it on Googling news articles to see how many hits I get. However there are other examples of white people going to court. Ian Watkins was going to trial alongside two women, they had conspired to abuse children. There have been a few similar cases to that as well from what I can recall but I don't want to put those terms into Google.

Anyway that isn't countering my point. I agree that these gangs exist and there is something about their method of working that seems unique to those abusers who come from an Asian background. It should be looked into and I don't know why it exists. However I do not agree that the idea of a group of people conspiring to commit acts of child abuse is one that is mostly seen in the Asian community. I just believe these groups act differently. From Internet rings, to the care homes, to the catholic church.

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See that last bit is the concern I have other this topic. It's essentially saying Asians are more likely to commit child abuse which is a pretty presumptive conclusion when the issue still hasn't been looked at. You could say the same about the BBC, look at all the former stars in court for sexual offences of one sort or the other. Look at the scandal in the Catholic Church or care homes as well.

You can't draw conclusions based on that kind of information. It can distort the true picture. These communities are large and it's dangerous to extrapolate broad conclusions about them from news stories which are more than likely representative of the outliers and little else.

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Again, Watkins and co were not local, they met 'long distance'.

The Catholic one can be answered fairly easily - the overwhelming majority of priests in the UK and Ireland are white. By sheers numbers any involved in sexual abuse are highly likely to be white.

But anyone can get a group of friends or like-minded people together from their street, neighbourhood or town. Again, unless there is a large-scale conspiracy going on they always seem to be Asian and non-white. Street sex gangs are no better or worse than any sex offenders really so I'm not going to suggest these gangs are committing worse crimes.

But there is a common denominator in all these instances. White Brits could be part of any internet, Catholic, music band gang. But they are never part of any of these gangs we hear about in court.

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How many Asians do you think were employed by the BBC during the 60s and 70s as presenters?

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Right so any example I give is flawed because the majority of people are white. So you'll only accept an example where there majority is not white and, giving the UK is mostly white, that leaves me with little to work with.

Examples where they met over the Internet doesn't count. Examples where the majority of people are white doesn't count.

You're basically narrowing down every example until I am left only with the Asian community, which I have already conceded seems to have a different problem which needs to be looked into.

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I'm not scared to Google for the facts, the striking thing is these are quite large gangs in small geographic areas.

Rochdale gang: 12 accused and 9 convicted, 8 were British Pakistani and the 9th

was an Afghan asylum seeker.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochdale_sex_trafficking_gang

To quote the source:

Mohammed Shafiq, chief executive of the Ramadhan Foundation, accused elders of

the Pakistani community of "burying their heads in the sand" on the matter of

sexual grooming. He said that of 68 recent convictions involving child sexual

exploitation, 59 were of British Pakistani men and it was a significant problem

for that community.

Following the break up of the first sex ring, in May 2012 the police made arrests in relation to an earlier child sexual exploitation ring in Rochdale. Nine men between 24 and 38-years-old were arrested on suspicion of sexual activity with a child.[19] About a dozen more cases involving Asian Muslims in Northern England are under investigation.[20] A 2012 report by the Deputy children's commissioner said that 33% of child sex abuse by gangs in Britain was committed by Asians, where Asians are 7% of the population, but concluded that it was "irresponsible" to dwell on the data.

Derby gang: 13 accused and 9 convicted, 75 offences relating to 26 girls

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derby_sex_gang

To quote the source:

Former home secretary, Jack Straw, said that though there were many white sex

offenders, there was a "specific problem" in some areas of Pakistani men

targeting "vulnerable white girls", whom they perceived as "easy meat" for sexual

abuse. He urged the Pakistani community to be "more open" about the abuse.[8]

Former MP and women's campaigner, Ann Cryer, endorsed Straw's comments saying

there was a problem that Muslim MPs were not prepared to confront; that there was

a minority of young Asian males that did do not "behave properly towards white

women."[7] Atma Singh, from the Sikh Community Action Network, praised Straw for

being "honest" about the "pockets of youngsters in the Pakistani Muslim community

who treat girls from other communities as 'sexual objects'."[4] Children's

minister, Tim Loughton, warned that "closed" Asian communities, "political

correctness and racial sensitivities" had affected investigations into child sex

grooming by Asian gangs.

Rotherham gang: 5 Pakistani men

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_sex_gang



Oxford gang: 7 accused and found guilty, 5 Pakistani and 2 North African targetting 11-15yr olds

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_sex_gang


Telford gang: 7 accused and found guilty all Pakistani.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telford_sex_gang

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You've missed the point entirely.

For the sake of figures, let's say in any section of society, 20% of men are sex offenders regardless of race or nationality.

Take Oxford Street in London. That would mean 20% of the men there (again I stress, hypothetically) are sex offenders. As it's a busy London street that percentage is likely to be made up of all different colours and races.

Take the Catholic church. Due to the very large number of white British or Irish men who are priests, that 20% is going to be almost universally white.

The BBC during the 60s and 70s. If you weren't white and middle class then it would be very unlikely you'd get in as a presenter. Therefore that 20% again would probably be all white.

These sex gangs I refer to as Asian. They may be from cities with large Asian populations (Rochdale, Bradford etc) however they are not exclusive. And if you pardon the expression a pervert is a pervert regardless of colour.

Yet we have yet to see any white Brits in these gangs.

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I still don't see the contradiction here. White people can still formed these groups or used them to hide their crimes.

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Yet we do not hear of any of these street gangs getting to court.

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I'm sure there are/ were. All white British paedophile rings.

Either they're very good at not being caught, or they've retired.

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Network,ring,gang..I think some of you are just using semantics to try and make out that white people aren't the same as Asians and yet the crime is just the same..

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I'm sure Russ isn't saying that.

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I'm pointing out that these street gangs are almost always 100% Asian and there isn't a clear reason why that in any of the cases reported in the media none of them contain any white Brits.

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We all know that people of all races and religions are capable of all sorts of crimes and that circumstances, opportunity etc. play a big part in that. The point here is that a very high proportion of those involved in this type of crime come from a certain community and it seems to me to be reasonable to try to establish the extent to which cultural differences, prejudices etc. have played a role in this. If they have played a significant role then we at least have a chance to do something about changing attitudes/behaviour rather than simply reacting to events. This is what operation Trident is all about isn't it? Initially it focussed on trying to get to the bottom of black on black gang crime to understand the mindset of those involved and try to stop it happening. Now it's been accepted that this form of activity has extended into and between other communities, the remit of Trident has been broadened to take this into account. This, I believe, is what should happen in the case of gang based abuse and exploitation and only when the problem is acknowledged and understood will we be able to do something about it.

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I think the point is that different 'groups' go about their exploitation in different ways as Damien has pointed out.My point being is that the crime is the same which ever way these 'groups' go about abusing their victims and that ALL the differing method need looking into.Just concentrating on one particular 'grouping' would be a mistake.

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Isn't it Pakistan where there's a gang rape every eight hours and it's not really a surprise it's migrated here when you have perverted courts decreeing women should be raped by thirteen men as punishment, guess which men had to perform the task as well

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...unishment.html

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The crime is NOT always the same. The disturbing(and sinister?) pattern with these "Asian" gangs, it that it isn't just for personal sexual gratification or to make money. The treatment of the victims goes way beyond that, with alcohol and drugs, violence, and passing them around to others. Those "others" tend not to be caught and included in the conviction figures. Perpetrators from that "group" are under-reported in any figures.

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Some statistics here - FullFact

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Interesting, but I don't think anyone has suggested there are more Asian sex offenders.