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I think it's a bit of a gray area... i haven't read the EULA so i guess i shouldn't be so sure about what i'm saying.

I guess what i'm doing is mixing morals in with legality, to be fair, it isn't morally wrong to download an ISO and register it with a valid key that you own or have paid for, but then you can download the ISO for free from licensed sources.

The license authorizes you to install and activate the copy of the software upon which it grants you a license too. It doesn't only apply to the pre-installed OS.

In some cases your recovery software will be locked to your specific motherboard, so that can't be used on another machine, but the license itself is not.

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Except, of course, that I did not do that and, in fact, apologised to the OP.
Indeed. That's the problem. Certain people just cannot accept that it is wrong and will find any "excuse" they can to justify it.

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Exactly, jen. So _wtf_ was, once again, wrong in that there are no such "warnings" as he stated.

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Which I have not done because.......

.... I agree with this :)

As I only just found out last night :blush:

Actually, I think it does.

Again, I don't think you can transfer the licence from one machine to another.

But, as ever, happy to be proved wrong :)

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Personally I'm not surprised because it is a very grey area... Most software is available from free downloads with only the activating licence being paid for.. that still doesn't mean that any site can take the install files and make it available for downloading. It would though be extremely rare for action to be taken and most OS install ISOs available on P2P/usenet are packaged with a dodgy key/activation program.

Also microsoft have removed most of them (if not all by now) of their public downloads for these ISO's to being behind subscription (MSDN) or licence checking servers (most microsoft digital dealers) which demonstrates how they perceive their own license in regarding to the install media.

Saying all that though doesn't make it wrong to download all ISOs and it does depend on the licensing.. It has though until recently been upto the individual as to where they get their install media with some people willing to go to social distribution (p2p/usenet) with only the recent closing of some file sharing/indexing sites which isn't though the reason for their closure but instead a side effect of the entertainment industries campaigning..

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Yep you are wrong.. The licence can be transferred from PC to PC as long as the original software was not deemed OEM.. Microsoft though does have hardware checks built into their activation programs purely as a protection to their software being used on more than one PC at the same time.. It can cause issues and fail the automated activation but if you push your case microsoft will activate it on another machine as long as you don't have it still on a previous PC and you can prove that you are the original purchaser..

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My technet licence states this.

It authorises me to download software from the technet site. I am also allowed to keep the iso's on my own storage space as long as its not publically accessible.

Thats pretty much it really in terms of downloading, what I do know is that some web sites hosting the clean ISO's (no cracks etc.) which would of course require a key to work past 30 days were told to take down the images.

Re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

correct. My EULA states that the software is licenced for upto 2 processors so if i shove a quad core in, it will require re licensing

I think this is the key phrase in licensing

Basically i understand that to mean you never own the software ,you only purchase a licence to use the software therefore any like for like copy of that software can be used i.e windows 7 hp can be reinstalled with another copy of windows 7 hp and not Ultimate ,as long as it is a genuine copy of windows 7

Re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

Quite the opposite. As can be seen from this site, the first Google result for "Windows 7 free download", all versions of Windows 7 remain freely available for any member of the public to download from Microsoft's own digital store servers, without any subscription or license checking.

In fact, they used to require a login but no longer do, having opened it up to everybody now.

Re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

Ahh, right. Okay.

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As was proven last night even Google is a challenge.

For the people keeping score

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I wish they'd make up their mind.. Originally they wouldn;t allow ISO downloads apart from technet, then they opened it upto everyone then they dropped it down to licensed retailers only then they opened it up again, then clamped it down and now Quasi says they've opened it up again....

Either way though licensed sites whether behind closed doors or not are still microsoft sanctioned.. That does not though include all P2P/usenet sites

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Erm, not quite...

From your link, dated September 3 2009Not sure if "all versions of Windows 7 remain freely available for any member of the public " is the same as "Get your hands on to the full version of windows 7 for free.You will have have full privileges to use this Windows7 Enterprise edition up to 90 days.The product keys are embedded within the download and you must activate the product for free within 10 days.The download is offered for a limited time and in limited quantity".....;)

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the most annoying thing about this block is i have to use double line mode now :(

oh well

windows 7 can be downloaded legally, here (you can check md5 and sha hash on msdn) but you have to purchase a license if you want to use it for more than 30 days

Re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

The warnings referred to were, I believe, with regard to copying, reselling, redistribution et. al. on DVD covers.

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Wow, 35 pages and from reading it all it seems no one at all (here) downloads any thing illegal at all...

The silence is deafening...

Talk about one sided. It seems like you're all arguing amongst yourselves. :D

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I have on many occasions, Now waits for the standard response from the same posters

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Haven't for years.

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This whole thread proves 3 things ,
1 ,it's pointless trying to block sites like TPB ,
2 the copyright legislation is so complicated it ties itself up in knots and cannot be fully understood by anyone
3 the rights holders need to get into the 21st century

Re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

I would add a fourth

4. Most people don't fully understand their rights with regard to their ownership of CD's and DVD's.

Re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

yep

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It's not really that difficult. If you didn't pay for it you shouldn't have a copy of it*. Applies equally to CDs, DVDs and BDs :)

(Gifts excepted of course; before the pedants kick-off!)

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Well if it's that simple then what about films like "It's A Wonderful Life" ,it went out of copyright for a brief period in 1974 but the tv companies where still required to pay royalties ,how is that ,and to whom did they pay the royalties ?

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No idea. I was meaning in the context of this thread, not commercial broadcasting :)

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Directly quoted from the font of all knowledge, not saying where though.
A person who relies too much on academic learning or who is concerned chiefly with insignificant detail.

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Well in the context of this thread ,because the film was out of copyright and officially in the public domain it would have been perfectly legal to download it* wouldn't it ?

*had such a thing been possible back then

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Ok i'll put you out of your misery .No it wouldn't be legal simply (or not so simply)because it was a derivative work based on another story called The Greatest Gift which still had copyright attached to it .So if you think sorting all that out would be simple then you sir should be a copyright lawyer

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In every copyright case one party loses even though both parties are represented by lawyers that specialise in copyright law. ;)

Of course how much of this is due to corrupt judges ...

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You've got to ask the question, whats the point of great broadband speeds if there's nothing to download/upload. I've read and agreed with many of the posts on here access isn't a problem with proxies / vpn or even a little sploiting server side, however a time will come when many more sites will fall under the same veil of hmm..protection. Rather than moving forward many will move back onto slower, cheaper alternative connections as the service gets cut back.

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Ah, but it'll be worth the money when you can talk as fast as your fingers can type. Can you imagine? I'm really trying not to :)

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LOVEFiLM
NetFlix
iPlayer
ITV Player
4OD

The reason why the recent caps that VM have introduced have helped completely remove VM products from my household.

Re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

So you need to update the services you have listed under your name then mate...:D

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Should have made it clear I recently cancelled and it all ends mid June. So for now they can stay.

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Its a pity your having trouble mate, does this mean that you will now be frequenting the Sky forums....:D

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One thing puzzles me, I was sent a link from a friend last night on irc depicting the court ruling and it goes onto say that the ban only affects piratebay.org so why are the isps making such an effort to hunt down every link that rears its head. Whats to stop someone such as myself hosting this site on a server with a backdoor.

Re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

Unfortunately in your haste to comeback with a smart a*se response you failed to notice Infinty in the services listed.

Re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

Its a pity that you found it a smart arse response, it wasn't meant to be! just a bit of friendly banter....;)

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So was mine mate ;)

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can still access tpb.org from my bt connection. why ? thought it was banned

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They have asked for a stay.

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i thought they was going to block it by the end of this week but I know they are appealing it

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I'm not sure what's happening with BT but this article seems to suggest there will be a separate order for them as they were not included in the first order .I don't know if it is just a poorly worded article but it definitely suggests that BT have their own plans which may not be just a simple blocking of the ip address


http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/04...locking_order/

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Has BT finally blocked the site ? it is not available at the moment

Re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

They've null routed it.

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what does that mean ??

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It means, in the simplest term, that their border gateway router has a static route for it to 0.0.0.0

Meaning its impossible to route requests for the requested domain/ip any futher than that BGR.

Of course, its just as easily circumvented as VM's methodology is.

Re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

so it is BT that blocked it ?

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Perhaps not:

http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/gen...fect.html?vc=1

Re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

The plot thickens.

MartyH: Not necessarily, null routing can happen anywhere along the route. It could even be TPB's own uplink providers doing the null routing (not likely, but certainly possible).

Re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

interesting ,seems like a global thing ,maybe they have just pulled the plug


or had the plug pulled for them

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Well it doesn't work for me and it did yesterday.

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It was working a few hours ago when i downloaded Eureka

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I can't get anything from any country with VPN's.

Could either the raid they were talking about, they're being DDOSed, they've simply had a hard drive failure.

Re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

The plot thickens.

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Hard drive failure would not cause their entire IP range to get dropped at multiple ISP's BGRs.

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I can get onto the site but can't start a torrent? I've never actually used them to download anything though.

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One site is reporting they are aware of it and there's nothing exciting going on like midnight raids by armed tactical forces :)

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Oh boring! :D

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the sites is still up I've found a way onto the site via a link if any wants it ,i'll pm it

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I can get on the site marty, just can't see a download button on any of the torrents. Never used TPB for torrent downloads so it's probably me. I use other trackers :)

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they are magnet links so just click the picture of a magnet .I,ve been on their forum and it is a world wide issue but strangely the site is still up.This is the link ,it takes a while to connect so be patient

[Mod Edit - inappropriate link removed]

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That's the weird part. There are no "buttons" at all. It's just like a Yellow Pages listing but there's nothing to click on to start the download at all! You had better remove that link too!

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Maybe their provider's BGP announcements have screwed up.

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its weird, the site is down for me too but when i try to connect without a bypass i just get a page error and not the VM page saying its blocked, i'd have thought the block would show whether the site is up or down

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I'm on their forum as well. They're saying to wait for a while and everything will be back to normal.

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Why would it? Makes no sense for VM to waste resources checking if a site is up or down when it wouldn't give you access to it anyway.

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Apparently, it is a DDOS attack.

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i'm new to blocks etc, i thought the block was put in on the line so when we request a site the vm server take the request and throws back the block page, not waits for the request to be completed and then blocks it

Re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

That's exactly how it works

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i actually found myself using tpb more since it was blocked (mainly for obscure tv shows)

but it looks like some rouge element has been giving tpb a DDoS over the last few hours (looks like its over now) all reverse proxies/normal proxies and vpns are working again

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still no direct rout though

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jempalmer there is a fake tpb site with no links (just adverts) you want the one with the magnet that has GET THIS TORRENT next to it in plaintext caps (they have no torrents anymore just magnet links which are like a decentralised version of a torrent)

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Looks like the BPI need to get a court order forcing all ISPs to set up DDoS attacks.... (well at least they apparently work). The proxy script I set up and anonymouse are both still giving me timeouts but the Pirate Party one is working again - at least I just got to the home page anyway.

Re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

obviously since its "blocked" until the court order is overturned

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An announcement on their forum says it's still under a DDOS attack ,rumor is it's anonymous ,possibly in retaliation for TPB's remarks about them the other week

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not in BT land it's not

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:D

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because they appealed the ruling

Re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

no they asked for more time to come to a better arrangement ,their boffins probably realised that the block VM are using doesn't work so are going for a more effective way

Re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

No, they didn't - they were granted more time to 'consider their position'....

Link

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ISPs are stuck between a rock and a hard place IMO.

Looking wider than the pointless ban on one tracker index site which a couple of minutes on google will show ways around, if there are eventually ways devised to block P2P activities then the reason half their customers bother with anything beyond the bare minimum package pretty much evaporate.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18095370

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Funny how that story is a news story yet it doesn't actually contain any verifiable facts, just rumours that are floating around the web. It basically looks like they threw it together just to have some 'news' about the pirate bay in their technology section.

Re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

Interesting way to deal with a DDoS - null route your entire ISP...

Re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

Wikileaks has also been under a 'DDoS' attcak for the last couple of days.

Perhaps 'someone' is trying out some new tools ;)

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Another thing I don't understand about this whole situation is with regards to sharing music.

Let's say for instance I use piratebay to download and listen to Linkin Park's "In the end", which happens to be a song I like.

If I share that, through bittorrent, I'm apparently committing a crime, right? I'm violating someone's copyright, could face a heavy fine and someone loses money as a result (blah blah)

But, that same song is available, for free, on youtube, via Warner bros' official youtube channel - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yw1Tgj9-VU&feature=plcp

It's had, 39,580,982 views.

By watching that video/song, it's downloaded to my PC in a temporary area, thus, I now have a copy for playback whenever I want to, so Warner bros has lost a sale.So I have to wonder, what the hell is the point of going after people for "sharing" songs which are already shared on places like youtube?

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they should learn to treat it like the old pirate radio in that it should help sell not be seen as taking sales

those who download buy more than those who dont on the whole


http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009...buy-more-music
http://boingboing.net/2009/11/01/hea...al-downlo.html

though be fair the other side think if we stopped down loading we would all go buy 200 more dvds a year lol

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/201...per-year.shtml

Re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

That song has adverts. As such, Warner are getting money each time you play it. They get nothing from torrents.

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Hmm, I've never seen an advert on youtube, I wonder if adblock prevents ads loading in the videos? heh

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yeah it does

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Yea same here.....If you use a good ad-blocker you won't get pestered with them anywhere .....

Re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

What about if you use adblock to get around the limits? I never notice any youtube adverts. Is that illegal?

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I just started downloading a mega torrent of Billy the Exterminator episodes for the kids. (14Gb) Our 1Tb Tivo is full of stuff, some of which we don't want to delete just yet. There is no room for B the E!

Rather than go through the fuss of getting a DVD recorder and blank DVDs to record from the Tivo I am downloading something I already have paid to watch. I will seed the torrent until I hit a share ratio of 1:1 if the torrent is short of seeds. (Honour amongst thieves?) When the kids tire of B the E, or grow out of him, he will get deleted. I do not feel I am abusing the rights of anyone or denying royalties to any creator.

OMG, I just realised, I won't be buying a DVD recorder dedicated to the Tivo box! The electronics economy will be ruined.

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Neither of which is actually good justification for doing what you're doing :)

Re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

Have you ever used newsgroups. There far safer than using TPB.

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Even though I already paid to view by subscribing to VM TV!?

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I use BTGuard and common sense when it comes to safety. This slows things down a bit, but not enough to make a difference.

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Ok . :tu:

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but now get a pause when an ad is blocked at start of video.

I have noticed in the past 1-2 months youtube have got overly agressive on their ads.

Last year I estimated about 1 in 4 videos I watched had a banner and only videos from large companies had full screen ads which could be skipped.

Now about 90% show an ad, about 33% have a full screen ad and a lot of the full screen ads can no longer be skipped and now of course when using an adblocker the video pauses before playing as if youtube did something to irritate ad blocker users.

So I contacted youtube and asked them why do they want to use ads that take your full attention and make you want to block them, why not just play an ad in an area not covering the video or delaying the playing of the video. Apparently their advertisers will only pay if the ads obstruct the content. I argued then they get less views as people will block the ads or ignore whats on screen until the ad has finished. I got nowhere of course.

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I'm using Adblock in Firefox with no problems. No ads and video plays instantly.

Re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

I get it on different machines different browsers, its consistent.

ad blocking = pause but no ad
no ad blocking = no pause but high chance of ad.

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Yep. It's still illegal because the person (or people) who sent you your copy had no licence to distribute it.

Re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

Indeed. Don't forget we are discussing the legality of doing this and not the morality. Because, of course, morally there's no problem in doing what he's doing :)

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Im using AdBlock Plus on firefox and dont see that issue?

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i'm getting a pause at the start of youtube videos with adblock aswell, i thought it was because they seem to be changing the video player again.

noticed the other day a video had proper thumbnails on the whole time bar, and not just where i put the mouse.