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I agree. Its a shame the stewards wont investigate the yellow flag incident, no doubt because its Vettel. If it was Hamilton that did that no doubt it would have been looked into

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Safety car out so what happens now as there is one lap to go..

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Saftey car finish. Means Vettel has won the title

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done. Sebs world champ :D

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Glad Alonso didn't win!

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Its a shame Alonso didnt win title.

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Button wins Brazilian GP

Sebastian Vettel Formula 1 2012 World Champion

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:cleader::p:

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Shhhhhhhhhhhhh

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well at least you got the draw at Stamford Bridge

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What yellow flag incident?

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I guess

Paul di Resta crashed on the 70th lap

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No you said shame they won't investigate it because it was Vettel.

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Oh that one.

Replays show that Vettel passed Kobiaysa under yellow flag

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Disgraceful if he does get away with it, I assume Ferrari or Kobayoshi can appeal?

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No idea on that one. Even David Croft and Martin Brundle said it looks like he did but they also said they need to see it from another view but the view we all saw on the replay made it clear he overtook under a yellow flag

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Many sites reporting it was Yellow/Red flags and lights which were denoting track condition and not solid yellow. Even Ferrari have said the same..

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Stewards have said the same. Only yellow/red flag i saw before he tried the overtake, then it was green and then it went yellow flag again.

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You've got to remember that the stewards will have a computer plan of the circuit which shows them live and also re-viewable all cars and all lights/flags at any time during the race. I believe any indiscretions are automatically flagged on this system which will including speeding in the pit lane, false starts..etc...

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Congrats to Vettel.

Feel bad for Hamilton this year. His luck has been just been non-existent paired with a car with serious reliability issues. Hamilton gets hit and it ends his race, Seb takes a hit and he somehow still walks away world champion, says it all really.

If Hamilton had Vettel's luck this year and even a half reliable car, he'd have ran away with this title.

Can't deny it made for one of the best season's I've seen.

Onto 2013 :D

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...and onto the pre-season 2013 thread

Thanks guys for keeping the 2012 thread on topic with some great discussion

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

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Yes indeed, some great discussions although I do apologise for coming over as a grumpy old git yesterday. Certainly one of the best seasons I have known for a long time, here's hoping that 2013 will be just as good.

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Well Mark we can all have our grumpy moments here and there but yes l am looking forward to next year with relish as well.

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I've never been a Lewis Hamilton fan and I don't like Alonso either so I'm glad and happy for Vettel. I just hope Button is challenging for the title next year, would love to see him win it again.

I enjoyed the race yesterday - extremely tense through out as I was cheering for Vettel and was praying his car didnt break down!

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With Vettel's luck? Don't be daft. He's the only guy that could spin, end up backwards and manage to avoid getting steamrolled by Roman Grosjean.

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I'm astounded he still has a drive next year Grosjean. Had Schumacher not retired again, do we think Hamilton would have signed a new deal with McLaren?

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Ya true i suppose

I agree. Lewis would have won. Roll on March 2013

I forgive you

Yes

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Lewis was distressed by McLaren at the time Mercedes were on the prowl for a new driver, pot luck for the Merc lot.

Lewis would have likely remained but the same situation may have arisen next season if his McLaren was just as poor as it has been this year.

If the car is as poor next season then I believe Lewis' move was inevitable.

However I believe if he'd stuck next year out with McLaren he'd have been a Red Bull driver in 2014.

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Gutted Vettel won.

Great race though.

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LOL, Ferrari I think have been readint he forums as now they are considering a protest
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/20531638

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Couldn't make it up could you really? No way to win a title imo.

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That's a crock. If they had good reason to protest then why has it taken this long? First they break a gearbox seal to put Alonso ahead at the previous GP and now this. Ferrari are ******s :(

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Indeed, It's a disgrace if a world title is decided off the track. At the same time if what Vettel did was against the rules then it should be punished. Such an awkward situation.

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Ive seen the footage of the overtake it it really is clear that Vettel passed a Toro Rosso under yellow flags. From what was on BBC Radio 2 this morning Ferrai dont need to appeal as it already goes to the stewards. If Vettel is found guilty then he will get 20 seconds added to his time which puts him form 6th place to 8th place. That means Alonso will win the title by 1 point.

I hope he gets punished but im not holding my breathe

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Its not exactly the right and proper way to decide a world title though is it.:td:

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No i agree but if Vettel had 'cheated' by doing an illegel overtake to win then the title then he has to be punished and to loose the extra points he gained

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It all hinges on whether a marshall was waving a green flag just after turn 3 doesnt it. Crucially the panel can take into account whether they think Vettel, if he had been penalised at the time, could have made up the places and still finished in a title winning position.

I really hope that Vettel is not demoted.

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Doubtful, the race is over and so is the season, if it was found to be a problem they'd just be likely to issue a fine or a grid drop for the next race though as it'll be a new season even a grid drop is unlikely.

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Vettel commieted no offence say the FIA

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/20541589

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FIA believes Sebastian Vettel has no case to answer.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/20541589

That puts a end to it.

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Indeed sadly it does. I still believe the overtake was illegal and so do other people i have spoke to

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My opinion is it wasn't illegal judging by the FIAs response saying there was a marshal waving a green flag on the side of the track.

Glad that is now fact, i would hate Alonso to win.

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Ferrari say Sebastian Vettel complaint is 'closed'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/20552525

Common sense prevailed.

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If the result had changed & Ferrari had been given the drivers title I would have never watched F1 again

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New footage taken from Vettels car without any TV on screen graphics clearly shows a track side marshall waving a green flag, so for all the doubters this matter should be closed also.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/20561954

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Yep the matter is closed with me (sadly) seems as it was legal so Vettel has the title and cant be taken off him now

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about time too :tu: :D

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Well i guess i have to say well done Vettel then dont i

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Handbags at dawn...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/20579360

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What else can you expect from the arrogant moaning minnies of Ferrari.:td:

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Is this an end to the argument? Please may it be so :D

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Im sure Bernie likes changing his mind more than i change my under wear :D
Im sure it wasnt that long ago that Bernie said this was a good idea

Michael Schumacher should not have returned - Bernie Ecclestone
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/20643178

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yeah, hindsight is a wonderful thing.....

Even MS probably thinks he shouldn't have returned now....

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Ive been saying that since the day he said he was coming back