Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

And this is how you want our government to behave? We are getting enough right-wing policies as it, we don't need any more. I find it worrying that anyone would want us compared to Chilé

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

I would support that as it would clear the crowd quite quickly especially with a few baton rounds for good measure.:D

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

I never said I did, did I?

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Perhaps you should have led with the headline:

It would been easier to put the whole thing into context. They didn't need a water cannon really did they.

I don't understand your point about right or wrong. I have never defended unnecessary violent protest. I don't believe that I have ever written that I do.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Maybe they should have started this during the period of the last Government? I was beginning to think that people in the UK were asleep!

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

So when the Home Secratary said:

When did she really mean?

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

No they are not illegal ,nobody has said they are illegal

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...-May-says.html

As quoted in many articles today the police have the choice if they want to use them they would not needa change in the law

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

There's a video of it on the site. another officer has to pull the officer who did it away.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...onstrator.html

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

I presume she meant that to be used as a matter of course then it needs to be home office approved much like the current generation of tasers. Other non-home office approved equipment and tactics can be used as long as the force can justify it. (like in the case of everyones favorite steroid monster shotgun suicide looney Raoul Moat)

Not in the same league but a similar vein do you think that a punch in the face is a home office approved technique? It's not but in some cases it's totally justifiable and legal.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

It would be fantastic to watch though, especially in this weather :)

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

And how would our police, behaving like the Chilean State Police be better on our streets. I thought you were all against an all encompassing police force. Does the fact that two people in that report died, not concern you?

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What does...

....mean?

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

No footage however of batons being used and plenty of photographs of him being carried away from the action whilst someone else goads the police.

At the end of the day it wasn't safe for him where he was, he had to be moved and if he wasn't coming willingly then force has to be used and as I've said before countless times force looks a million times worse on camera than in reality.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

She means that the head of whichever force wants to use them has to provide a good enough reason for ministers to approve it's use hence this

from my previous link

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

And some are calling for these thugs to have a water canon; the mind boggles.

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Deleting my question and making fun of it makes no difference to your reply. What did she mean by:

Is pulling a paraplegic from a wheelchair totally justifiable as well? The reason I ask is, that there seemed to be some disagreement with the officers on the ground. For the life of me I can't possibly see were the justification would have come from though. Perhaps with your inside knowledge you could explain it.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

With respect to Derek even I can see that.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

What does democratic oversight mean?

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

No it's the Police that might have access to it. Not the protestors. :D

I find it quite ironic the same people who moan and bitch loudly enough to stop the Police having the same riot control equipment the rest of the world uses scream and cry when the last resort, going hands on, happens.

Or would you prefer another Millbank? Or maybe leave the wheelchair bound in the front line whilst bricks, bottles and molotovs are thrown.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Sometimes force is needed to deal with the thugs that were at that so called protest.

The people throwing petrol bombs, setting fire or attempting to set fire to public property, trying to loot from shops, They all need to be dealt with and a soft touch will not suffice. There are a large amount of hooligans amongst the students and they need to be dealt with by using force there is no pretending otherwise. I say forget the kettling lets go back to the old way of dealing with thugs and hooligans that riot and lets see if they like that.

Bring on the water cannon, tear gas and if needed plastic bullets as a last resort. Oh and BTW i do mean what i posted before you ask another question.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

How in God's name, could what that officer did to this man, make him safer. If he wanted to get him to move; he was in a blooming wheelchair. What would you have done, bearing in the wheelchair.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Probably exactly the same level of justification required to issue officers with tasers and firearms which aren't standard issue. (yet)

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Wheelchairs have brakes... If someone in one doesn't want to move you have to remove them from the chair.

I know this from experience. I also know people in their 80s can wield a walking stick like a wrinkly ninja. :(

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

And how is dragging a man from a wheelchair justified? What would be the most effective to get a man sitting in a wheelchair, to move out of the way?

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Agreed, and on the plus side water cannons would keep the streets nice and clean.

Just look how it swept the rubbish in to the gutter in the Chilean video :D

I really cannot see what certain posters issue is with them, the prote.. thugs light fires or attempt to, chuck flares, firecrackers etc and the water cannons would be the ideal antedote to this.

They put out the fires, disperse crowds, dampen thier enthusiasm to participate in violent disorder (ha ha, you see what i did there?).

Win win imo.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

I have no idea what I would do and more importantly neither have you.

Until you have been in the shoes of Derek and co you have NO idea how you would react and which resources you would use if confronted by a rabid crowd like that.

Don't give me any brown stuff about being a 'steward at a football match', that cannot be compared to a policeman in the thick of it with powers and actions at his disposal.

You just want to be anti-police and pro-lefty purely for the sake of it. If there was a nutter mob outside your house trying to attack you and your family, and the only option the police had to move them on was a water cannon, I'd bet my life savings you'd drop the lefty-act in seconds and be encouraging them to turn on the tap.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

And bring our streets to the point where they reflect those seen in Burhma or Tibet, is the way to go? Do you think that the disabled or children, for example, are just collateral damage, perhaps?

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Assuming he was being cooperative then pushing him would be easiest. If he was being obstructive, and looking at his website where he comes across as a professional protestor who seems to have been beaten with the magic non-bruising batons, I don't think he would happily wheel himself away when asked.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Only possible if our society, way of life and Government are the same as those in "Burhma or Tibet".

As none of them are, you can't compare them although I'm sure you'll persist in trying to do so.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

No, that is not what it means, If it was simply a signing off, that would be the legal oversight. But the democratic oversight is a different kettle of fish.

Is that police SOP? I gather from you reply that you have also thrown disabled people from wheelchairs.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

At the end of the day, if the guy in the wheelchair was thought to be in the way of harm, the Police, I guess have a duty of care for his safety and had to remove him post haste.

What if he was in a burning building? Would he / thugs still be whinging about it?

Flame away....

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

And what about those, the vast majority, who are taking part in peaceful protest and demonstration? It seems an easy way for a government to quieten the masses, doesn't it.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

If they kick off and cause trouble, guess what?

They will get wet.

:D

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Flyboy ,i am going to try to cut through you're rabid hatred of the police with some common sense .To answer your first question ,

quite self evident but here you go ,it means that approval has to be given by ministers thats the democratic bit ,once the approval is given to the head of a particular force then he/she will have the authority to approve it's use ,which will be monitored (that's the oversight bit) by said ministers

To answer the second question the person in the wheel chair was quite clearly being an idiot and refusing to move when told ,all he would have to do is stick his fingers through the wheels to stop the police from wheeling him away (again quite obvious) To prevent injury to said numpty in the wheel chair the police are quite correct in dragging him out of the chair imo ,and being a paraplegic does not give him any special leaway

You see it's quite simple realy

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

It's a classic politician back covering exercise IMO
At the end of the day if needed the Met could deploy water cannons as soon as they get their hands on them. They could deploy baton rounds and CS tomorrow if need be without Parliament being able to stop them without amending legislation.

Funnily enough I don't think it's set in stone. It is however common sense which seems to be a concept you struggle with. I've removed people from places they don't want to be removed from.

It doesn't look pretty, it is necessary on occasion though.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Are you suggesting that the Police are politicised?

The people who would be targeted would be the perpetrators of offences...

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

He was in a wheelchair, the clue is in "wheelchair."

In all the training I have had, I have never heard of anyone suggest that the most effective way of getting a disabled person to safety is tip them out the wheelchair and drag them across the road. Just think about it. You first of all have to tip them out, not that easy really. Then get them to let go of the chair. Then drag them, struggling, across a road. If we are to believe Derek about the brakes, what is wrong with,......ooh I don't know.....undoing the brakes, perhaps. Not that difficult to do, just a little lever.

I am not, believe it or not, anti-police. I do an awful lot locally to support our police and help promote their reputation, I am a member of the local neighbourhood watch and I think on the whole our police do a fantastic job. What I am against, however, is anyone with authority, abusing that power. Like tipping disabled people out of wheelchairs, especially when a far more logical, effective and safer method is available.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

first time in months for some :D

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

But he wouldn't need to, would he? I can't imagine that the two policemen who were there would have been incapable of moving his wheelchair for him, do you.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

In all the training you've had, you have no idea what you would do in the situation because

a) you are not a police officer
b) you have never been a police officer
c) you have never been in that situation
d) you have never needed to physically remove someone for their own safety whilst surrounded but a riot, especially when they didn't want to be.

and

e) you are not a police officer


I don't know how much of that I believe but you seem to be living in a world of "Dixon of Dock Green" style policing. Reality check pal - life isn't like that. The police have to use force when needed and looking at an edited video clip or a still photo does not give you any idea of how to do it better.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

And by bringing in more draconian laws to suppress legal protest doesn't worry you?

I remember only just a few short months ago, the noises being made about the gradual curtailment of the right to free protest, where is that noise now?

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

i knew you would ask a question.

I don't know ask the idiots that start the riots :shocked:. if they did not start the riots then they would be no need for these measures.

Secondly the people organising these protests know that there are going to be idiots, hooligans, and general doe balls at there protests so why not do what you do best and ask them as well.

As for my feelings on the subject i have no intention of answering only to have a question from you are as reply. I have better things to do with my time than engaging in your debating technique of constantly asking questions whilst not giving answers in return. I will now await the little flashing indicator in the top right of my screen with your normal retort :D

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

And how was doing what they did make him safer? Why didn't they simply wheel his chair away?

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

[QUOTE=Flyboy;35137043]He was in a wheelchair, the clue is in "wheelchair."



In all the training I have had, I have never heard of anyone suggest that the most effective way of getting a disabled person to safety is tip them out the wheelchair and drag them across the road. Just think about it. You first of all have to tip them out, not that easy really. Then get them to let go of the chair. Then drag them, struggling, across a road. If we are to believe Derek about the brakes, what is wrong with,......ooh I don't know.....undoing the brakes, perhaps. Not that difficult to do, just a little lever.
QUOTE]


who said he was tipped ?,it certainly isn't very clear from that video that is another one of your anti police assumption

I am not, believe it or not, anti-police. I do an awful lot locally to support our police and help promote their reputation, I am a member of the local neighbourhood watch and I think on the whole our police do a fantastic job. What I am against, however, is anyone with authority, abusing that power. Like tipping disabled people out of wheelchairs, especially when a far more logical, effective and safer method is available.


are you serious ? every single time that a police thread comes up you are one of the most vocal to vilify them

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

:rolleyes:

Balance easiest and safest. If someone doesn't want to be moved you move them. End of story.

Would you be happier if he was cuffed to the chair to stop him moving his arms while he was wheeled away?

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

What the hell are you talking about now? I swear your posts are getting more and more detached from reality as we go along. If people want to protest, as is their democratic right then get on with it.

But if people think they can riot while doing so then they deserve a water cannon.

The only noise around here is what you keep spouting about how you'd do it better than the police.

Tell you what, why not join up as a Special. In fact I know why not - you wouldn't last 2 minutes.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

I don't think you understood, I was referring to the ones who weren't "kicking off." The vast majority of them who were taking part in peaceful protest. The ones who went to the places they were supposed to and went home without incident. Should they be considered to be justifiably suppressed?

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Maybe there were snooker balls incoming? Maybe lit flares? Maybe firecrackers? Maybe other debree?

Maybe, just maybe there was a clear and present danger to the wheelchair bound 'protester' that made the Police remove him for his own safety.

You and I were not there so i guess we will never know, apart from what the guy has said and by all accounts he is a 'professional protester' (from what I read earlier in the thread) so make of that what you will.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Ah i see more more common sense is required ,the ones who weren't "kicking off" can simply go a different way to the ones who are "kicking off" and do there peacefull protesting else where whilst leaving the others to get wet

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

From what I remember being told about "democratic oversight" (again the clue is in the question), it has to be debated via the democratic process. That means parliament, involving all parties, not just government ministers. Because if it was just the ministers of one party, that would not satisfy the "democratic" bit.

That was not that clear at all. The footage was very blurred and the audio was fragmented. That aside, there was no justifiable need to tip him out of his chair and drag him across the road. Simply wheeling him would have done the trick. Pulling his arms away from the wheels would have prevented him from obstructing them. That wouldn't have been that difficult for the two officers to have done.

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I am sure you have and quite justifiably so, but have you ever tipped a paraplegic from a wheelchair and dragged him across the road?

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

No. I do not think that *you* understand.

The peaceful ones need not fear anything as they have not done anything wrong.

The ones that kick off get it. All along the lines of if you have not done anything wrong, you have nothing to fear.

Is that clearer?

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

They certainly have the capacity to be, just look at the miners' strike and you will have your answer. However, I am sure things are little different nowadays, but it can so easily change.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Notice you ignored my question.

Please stop pretending to be an impartial libertarian.

If it was an EDL / BNP protest targeting Labour party HQ, you'd be on here moaning that the Police didn't do enough... :rolleyes:

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Let's imagine there was a car coming. Mr Wheelchair didn't know it was coming and wasn't listening to the cop who telling him to get out of the way. Cop tries to move him, Wheelchair reiterates he's not going anyway. Cop now has no time to remove the brakes, carefully wheel him to safety or whatever it is you're suggesting. Instead the only option left to the cop to get this guy out of the way of the car is to grab him out of the chair and out of the way of the car.

Hypothetical yes, dumbed down so maybe you'll understand it, definitely.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

:D

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

One doesn't have to be a police officer to have some common sense. It really is much easier to move someone, still in their wheelchair than drag them, struggling, across a road.


But then neither do you, we can only speculate what the protester was saying, but the image of him being tipped out his chair and dragged across the road, was clear enough.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

[QUOTE=Flyboy;35137064]From what I remember being told about "democratic oversight" (again the clue is in the question), it has to be debated via the democratic process. That means parliament, involving all parties, not just government ministers. Because if it was just the ministers of one party, that would not satisfy the "democratic" bit.

QUOTE]

so if you already know why ask and say that a change a law would be needed ,because that is quite clearly not the case


Well from that "very blurred" footage (and it was i agree )you seem to have come to the conlusion that he was tipped out and totally unwilling to accept any other explanation

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

There are pictures of him at the front of the 'battle lines' with people behind him, jostling him, carrying sticks(some dropped and visible on the ground), and covering their faces. One was even carrying, what seems to be a makeshift shield. His brother looks back at someone grabbing him from behind. They were hardly in the peaceful section. At the very least the Police would have been unable to take action on the people behind him as he would have been in the way,

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Anyone notice how this thread has been moved exclusively to the guy in the wheel chair instead of the hooligans that were rioting and terrorising the public. oh well it gives someone the chance to be a bleeding heart lefty and attack the police AGAIN.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

One doesn't, but one's sense of perspective changes when one is in the middle of a riot and doesn't have the luxury of thinking a situation through before putting the world to rights on an internet forum and telling the world how one could do it better than those in the thick of it.


The difference being I am open minded enough to not yet have made up my mind about what was going on.

Yes, clear enough for you to show how narrow-minded you are and feel no need to seek the full facts first. In the words of the youth of today, "epic fail".

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Paraplegic?


ie troublemaker.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

But the children and the disabled peaceful protesters didn't start the riots. Therefore, they shouldn't be subjected to the punishments you want to have dished out to those who do.

Are they on this forum (whoops! Sorry, another question ;) :D)? It would be great if they were, because you could ask them some questions too.

Aah, yes the tricky questions are always the most difficult to answer. Instead of complaining about me asking questions, why don't you answer one or two of them? It might help me understand your reasoning.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

I regard myself as having a great deal of common sense and I can see that in the middle of a group of pushing and shoving police and demonstrators that picking someone up fireman style and moving them is possibly preferable than trying to move the man and the possibly heavy wheelchair.

Just a thought.

But then I'm a reasonable thinking person.;)

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

No that doesn't make someone a troublemaker. But using a disability to create a situation the police have no chance of looking anything other than the bad guys in just to make a point, THAT would be a troublemaker.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

That is because it fits with the "abuse of authority" thing.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Then what are you doing posting on these forums? :confused:

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Here's some video from the other night

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW4NhBw-1yE

Watch the hooligan students with there steel bars but of course some here will say its all the fault of the police.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

So are the ones which have the "I'm right because I'm right. Why? because I'm right" as the primary motivation.

But you don't want to understand. You have no intentions, because as we're used to by now, "Flyboy is right because flyboy is right."

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Same as you. I like a challenge.:D

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

What is safer, throwing him from his chair and dragging him across the road, with the officers having not a clue why he was in a chair endangering him even further, or restraining him safely and wheeling him across the road? If it came to it, they could always lift him out of his chair and carry him, bosun style.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

There you go using highly emotive language again.Throwing and dragging.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Is anybody counting?

We should make this into a game.

How many questions will Flyboy be asked before he responds with an answer instead of a question?

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

I am sorry of I have a different opinion to everybody else, but I thought that was point of having a debate.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

But in a debate it is customary to answer questions as well as ask them..;)

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Disgracefull behaviour by the police ...fancy defending themselves from steel bars and steel fences with riot shields and helmets ,that must be against the stoodents right to gbh a copper :rolleyes:

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

But there wasn't, was there. It took the officer a lot longer to drag him across the road, than it would to have wheeled him. So, he wasn't in real danger at all, was he? It looked like he just hacked the officer off. Seeing as he had to be dragged away (quite forcibly) by his colleague, kind of suggests he hadn't finished punishing him, either.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Anyone think that flyboy is in fact a bot designed to keep the thread alive by asking question to other posters answers :LOL:

As for you questions aimed at me flyboy, I gave up on your childish little game a few of your question before that one.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Debate: To engage in argument by discussing opposing points.

Refusing to answer questions posed by the other party does not promote a meaningful debate IMO...

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

I don't think they had that choice, do you?

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

I think you have Arthuritis, except in your case commas are replaced by question marks...

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Not really, no. The water canon is not exactly a precision instrument.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

But it isn't a debate is it? You're cherry-picking questions to answer, responding to them with circular reasoning and then ignoring the ones you don't feel like answering.

if you're determined to cultivate an "intelligent lefty" image then you need to debate like one. Instead you're coming at this thread as narrow-minded as the cops/labour ministers/racists/whatever you claim to be against.

If you want people to respond to you positively in this then concede that as you have never been in a police officer's position, maybe...just maybe there could be aspects of this you have no idea about.

As opposed to making up your mind based on ambiguous photos and video clips.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

I will ask again ,please show some clear evidence that he was thrown/dragged from his chair,your opinion that he was is not evidence ,that is you slandering the police

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Yep the students were only carrying out there democratic right for peaceful protesting with just a bit of radical after shots :LOL:

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

how the hell do you know ,you have no more idea what was going on off camera than we do

and you keep on doing it don't you ,if jumping to conclusions was an olympic sport you would be a champion .

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

No I didn't, I answered your question, I am sorry if it was not quick enough for you, but there was an awful to get through.

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But there was no car coming, was there. It appeared to me that the wheelchair man annoyed the officer and he tipped him out as punishment for annoying him. It took the officer considerably longer to tip him out and drag him across the road.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Seriously it's like talking to my parents' sunflower plant.

Here is the key part of what you quoted (and ignored)...

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Yes, I was being a bit facetious, but the fact still remains that the home secretary implied that a parliamentary debate would be needed to in order to deploy water canons.


Was he not tipped out then?

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

But does it keep asking you questions :)

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

I have to admit I didn't see that, was that at the time he was tipped from his chair?

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Sorry. Yes you did, at the same time I posted that you hadn't.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:"what we see from the protesters is not violence":rofl::rofl::rofl:


:rofl::rofl:"it was a radicle but good natured demostration" :rofl::rofl::rofl:


"the police need to rethink their tactics".....well they're gonna mate ..water cannons at the ready:D followed by a healthy dose of CS gas :D

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

I said maybe. I could not see the video as the link did not work, maybe you would like to re link to a working video?

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Are you for real?

Have you never used a water pistol?

:D

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

There you go. His brother doesn't look too happy with the situation behind him.
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2010/12/57.jpg

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

It might be you have something of a valid point (not so sure about the narrow mind ;)) But I am finding it difficult to see how the footage can be seen in any other way. Is there something that I could be missing? To me it looks like a police officer getting angry and taking it out on a disabled man in a wheelchair, especially as he has to be dragged off him by another police officer. It doesn't look good. If he had been at risk on the other side of the road, which is not that evident, why would he do something that would take more than twice as long to get him to the other side of the road. It really is much easier for two police officers to move an occupied wheelchair, than to drag a struggling, albeit a disabled, man across a road.

If someone can provide a justifiable and logical explanation, I might concede the point. But simply saying that he deserved it, or that he was in danger, without showing that he was in greater danger than he was put in by this officer, I am not so sure I can be convinced.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

we don't know do we ,because the video evidence that you are relying on doesn't show it ,it is possible that the officer attempted to wheel him away but because Mr wheel chair was (maybe)being so uncooperative the chair tipped on the curb ....or maybe Mr wheelchair has tipped it up himself to put the police in a bad light ...and maybe the second officer seen dragging the first officer away was doing so to protect his coleague because he knew that they where being set up

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Yes a little hyperbole on my behalf, I'll try to be less so in future.

Is that the definition of all political activists and bloggers?

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Some members have been on here arguing for 12 hours. That can't be a healthy lifestyle. Sorry, I just had to make that observation. You must have a lot of spare time.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

But there is no certainty that he did that.

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Stupid buggers.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

I am happy for our police to allowed to control the thugs with whatever means are at their disposal be it water cannon or baton rounds or preferably a mixture of the two.

The mistake has been all along allowing them into areas of power such as Whitehall where they have shown total disrespect to the government buildings, statues and the Cenotaph, a good soaking with a water cannon would have stopped any disruption in its tracks.

Any future demonstrations must not be allowed to enter Whitehall under any circumstances whatsoever and if required to prevent that happening the Army should be mobilised.

No other country would allow such behaviour in their hub of government and up to now our thugs have been handled with kid gloves in comparison to any other country.

As for bringing Chile into this I do not actually care what their police force do as it is not in my Capital City.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

It's Flyboy's plan to suck all the Police in the UK into posting in this thread.

Then there will be none of them out and about to prevent the 'non-violence' during the 'peaceful' protests....

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Inbetween watching TV and doing some work, I do have some spare time :)

Get stuck in! :p: