Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35138625)

But could one record to a DVD/HDD recorder.

Originally Posted by royaltiger (Post 35138652)

I would have said most firmware updates will forget everything as its basically updating the factory settings, motherboard just one example

Originally Posted by royaltiger (Post 35138652)

I would have said most firmware updates will forget everything as its basically updating the factory settings, motherboard just one example

Originally Posted by ooogemaflop (Post 35138646)

Had an engineer out the other day. Now there is always a chance he is full of poop trying to big himself up but he said he is testing the box and its buggy as hell he also said everytime the firmware is updated the box "forgets" everything it remembers about you.

I do want this box eventually but not until its stable and a lot cheaper lol

Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 35138664)

I know that they do firmware updates but you would think that most of the bugs have been ironed out now ( if not why are they getting ready to launch ) There may still be the odd glitch but who knows what is happening at the moment:confused:

Originally Posted by gadge (Post 35138667)

I would take a lot of things engineers say with a pinch off salt.

Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 35138664)

I know that they do firmware updates but you would think that most of the bugs have been ironed out now ( if not why are they getting ready to launch ) There may still be the odd glitch but who knows what is happening at the moment:confused:

Originally Posted by ooogemaflop (Post 35138646)

Had an engineer out the other day. Now there is always a chance he is full of poop trying to big himself up but he said he is testing the box and its buggy as hell he also said everytime the firmware is updated the box "forgets" everything it remembers about you.

I do want this box eventually but not until its stable and a lot cheaper lol

Originally Posted by ess1 (Post 35138672)

If its not "buggy" why the gag on those who have it?

Originally Posted by ooogemaflop (Post 35138674)

Look at historical data. When have VM ever released a box that had the bugs ironed out. For gods sake just look at the V+ box that still dont work right

Originally Posted by ahardie (Post 35138696)

From what I've read on these forums they have only just starting to distribute the boxes, so what are the chances that an engineer who came your house a few days ago has already got his hands on one?



I think that is standard procedure.



When has any complex software been released without bugs? In this case it is software that is already in use in Tivo boxes and hopefully most of the bugs have been ironed out.

Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35138686)

My Samsumng V+ works okay.

Originally Posted by ooogemaflop (Post 35138646)

Had an engineer out the other day. Now there is always a chance he is full of poop trying to big himself up but he said he is testing the box and its buggy as hell he also said everytime the firmware is updated the box "forgets" everything it remembers about you.

I do want this box eventually but not until its stable and a lot cheaper lol

Originally Posted by ooogemaflop (Post 35138662)

Well when I do bios firmware updates the operating system remains intact

Also on my Android phone offical firmwares do not wipe settings and I only do a hard reset if the update creates an issue

The V+ updates and all settings are saved. The Sky+ updates and all the settings are saved....

Originally Posted by ooogemaflop (Post 35138674)

Look at historical data. When have VM ever released a box that had the bugs ironed out. For gods sake just look at the V+ box that still dont work right

Originally Posted by ooogemaflop (Post 35138701)

He has the same chance as anyone else who has had some kinda information. Please be aware of what I posted. I covered myself with flame proof pants by ackowledging the fact he could be talking poop.

I have looked very hard and I can not find anywhere on this forum where I have ever said complex software is bug free.

Originally Posted by ooogemaflop (Post 35138701)

Ive got one of the new little V+ boxes and its a pile of crap.

Originally Posted by ooogemaflop (Post 35138701)

Ive got one of the new little V+ boxes and its a pile of crap.

Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35138724)

Just because yours doesn't work, doesn't meant that they are all bad.

Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35138724)

Just because yours doesn't work, doesn't meant that they are all bad.

Originally Posted by ahardie (Post 35138713)

I have looked very hard at my post and I can't find anywhere I said you had said that. :)






:confused:. V+ owners usually refer to their box by manufacturer. Is it a Samsung, or did you mean V HD?

Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 35138729)

I have the SA V+HD box and apart from it running slow compared to the CISCO VHD i have not had a problem with the SA box.

Originally Posted by ess1 (Post 35138672)

If its not "buggy" why the gag on those who have it?

Originally Posted by ahardie (Post 35138737)

I've had a lot of good use out of my SA box also. It has rarely caused problems and I dont know of any tv box that is perfect.

Originally Posted by gadge (Post 35138739)

Thats how these things work i beta test for virgin on the v+ and v boxes if i blabbed the chief tester would have my nuts for breakfast.

Originally Posted by ooogemaflop (Post 35138734)

I had a SA one that was crap too. I lot of peoples views are similar to mine. Sluggish menu system dropped recordings reboots freezing after midnight. My view is not unique again I have to ask why are people jumped on if they have negative experience with VM? I have been a customer many a year and the cable BB is the best available but the TV comes a poor second to Sky with its only plus point VOD

Originally Posted by ahardie (Post 35138746)

Have you seen the problems Sky users have had with their tv boxes. Most recently it was the anytime + upgrade caused major problems with their 1Tb and 500Gb boxes. I will agree that the problems at midnight should have been sorted long ago but if you have such a problem with VM tv why have you had two v+ boxes?

Originally Posted by ooogemaflop (Post 35138752)

I dont I just have the new V+ the SA I stopped using years ago.

To put it simply I am greedy I prefer Sky tvs quality but I like the option of VOD. If the Tivo box once stable with all the tuners working does the job then I will be more than happy to drop Sky. I took the new V+ box on when they were letting you have them free with self install a while ago

Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 35138711)

Let me try and clarify on what i was meaning ( i may have to open my mouth to put my other foot in it :D ).

What i meant to say is that that with the programme already been written ( as is used in the US ) the bugs should be ironed out and the only problem that i can see it been is due to the 3rd tuner as it is not activated at the start and going to be activated in early 2011.

I hope this clarifies what i meant:confused:

Originally Posted by zantarous (Post 35138809)

It may be based on a US Tivo but that one is very different. First that is just a standalone PVR that you can plug a aerial or cablecard into and has no access to VoD.

For the VM version they have to integrate the whole of the VM network, the box has to talk back to the headend and CS need to be able to provion services on it. They also need add interactive, VoD, PPV, red button etc. These are just things of the top of my head that I can think of, I am sure there are a lot more changes that had to be made.

Originally Posted by royaltiger (Post 35138706)

yes, but you have to reset all the bios to get the operating system to work

Originally Posted by Begize (Post 35138956)

Off topic, but sorry, no, you don't.

You don't have to reset the BIOS on a PC, server, RAID card, printer etc to get it to work after a firmware update. It's also fairly standard that any update doesn't destroy any settings you have.

If it or you do, something is wrong.

This is speaking from 20 years IT support experience.

Originally Posted by ooogemaflop (Post 35138985)

I think you are making a mistake using the word "everything" and totally missing the point

You flash the bios firmware on a mobo the bios resets but the operating system stays the same

You flash a firmware on an android phone( iphones too) the base software changes the operating system settings remain the same ( this is not always the case and custom firmwares always recommend a hard reset)

The base firmware updates on the Sky box but the operating system settings remain the same

The base firmware on the V and V+ updates the operating system settings remain the same

The guy told me ( and as I said it could be bull plop) the base firmware updates and some of the operating system settings are lost

Is that clear and understandble for you Mr Tiger??

Originally Posted by royaltiger (Post 35138984)

So after 20 years of It experience every firmware update on a motherboard you have done all your settings have remained in place, mmmmm I dont think so, not with motherboards most firmware updates will put everything to factory default, it will depend on the product how the updates work and you will be told to make sure all your data is backed up.

Originally Posted by royaltiger (Post 35138988)

I'm not disputing anything you said, merely pointing out a motherboard firmware update will rest to factory default thus wont recognise any operating system untill you tell it by changing bios settings, and different products update individually and it may take a firmware update on tivo to tell itself to remember the previous settings of the user.

Originally Posted by Rattus (Post 35139052)

So if i get this right.. VM staff and the odd tester have only just received their boxes this week?

If so, i cant see customers getting installs Q1 2011. When i beta tested the TVdrive it was 6 months before it was actually released for general install.

On that note perhaps it was different but i never had to sign any NDA when i tested last time, perhaps VM do things differently to old TW though.

Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic (Post 35139057)

It's not in BETA testing, it's the 1st roll-out. This will allow VM to iron out any little last-minute bugs before customers get the polished product. ;)

Originally Posted by gadge (Post 35139079)

Any news when the existing customers can grab hold of one before official roll out?.

Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic (Post 35139084)

no news, just yet.

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35139501)

l hope you are right as the engineer said to me it would roll out in plymouth late feb/early march , yet another example of this being stringed out again by Virgin.

Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic (Post 35139603)

VM are currently looking at the best way to upset the majority of customers :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by whizzard (Post 35139622)

The only type of engineer I would trust the word of would be a principle tech, and even they dont know everything that's going on. Give it 6-8 weeks and hopefully most of this TiVo speculation will be over.

Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic (Post 35139603)

VM are currently looking at the best way to upset the majority of customers :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic (Post 35139603)

VM are currently looking at the best way to upset the majority of customers :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Strangerstill (Post 35139717)

Will the VM TiVo support subtitles? I can't remember if my original did.

Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic (Post 35139731)

Yes, full support. :)

On Demand subtitles are still being worked on. This is a technical challenge rather than a "getting around to it" type thing :)

Originally Posted by vanman (Post 35139984)

interesting !

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/list.../users/463175?

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35140152)

l am a longstanding existingcustomer no one has contacted me yet.

Originally Posted by ottoni (Post 35140156)

or me, infact if you do read that review, from the 4th of december, it doesn't exactly promote TIVO very well does it? But like a lot of people on here, I'm ready and waiting for the launch, money ready! What I'm not looking forward to is a possible wait until march to get my hands on one, that seems a ridiculous time away!

Originally Posted by gadge (Post 35140188)

I agree with ottoni i was hoping for the call by now.

Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 35140195)

I was also hoping for a call by now as well, but what i think could be causing the problems with not been contacted could be due to the adverse weather conditions ( as in if all the staff are unable to get in they may have all available staff on customer service calls ).

This happened when i worked for a outsourced call centre and we got the floods a few years ago in Yorkshire. I stand to be corrected but it is just my opinion:erm:

Originally Posted by Joedm45 (Post 35140036)

Good find there and interesting read.

But as usual a pinch of salt required. I notice the post was dated 4th December, were any TiVo's installed then?

Think I'll wait until our CF resident posters can talk about their TiVo's before getting a true idea of good/bad points.

On a side note am I not the only one thinking it is a huge risk getting TiVo from launch? I really cannot afford to take time off work to sit indoors waiting for engineers to come round for box swaps if there are problems

Originally Posted by andrew.shearman (Post 35140742)

when will the new tivo box launch what's the date?

Andrew

Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 35141722)

Looks like SKY are doubting VIRGIN TIVO

Sky exec doubts Virgin's new TiVo service

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/broadcas...o-service.html

Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 35141722)

Looks like SKY are doubting VIRGIN TIVO

Sky exec doubts Virgin's new TiVo service

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/broadcas...o-service.html

Originally Posted by Strangerstill (Post 35141742)

He would wouldn't he, his comments seem a bit feeble though.

Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic (Post 35141747)

yeah, just read that... I think this is good for both Sky and VM, it keeps them both on thier toes. He says VM have "upped their game" and they have.

There's not much content that VM doesn't have now and Sky seem to be hoping 3D takes off in a big way.

interesting times ahead....

Originally Posted by Strangerstill (Post 35141742)

He would wouldn't he, his comments seem a bit feeble though.

Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35141904)

Sounds more like sour grapes to me. Sky dumped TiVo, rather unceremoniously, and they were quite miffed the VM were offered this platform before them.

Originally Posted by lawe (Post 35141798)

Sour grapes come to mind.
Sky may have more channels, though quality is not top of the list, but Virgin has more benefits and with VOD beats sky hands down.

Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 35142080)

Looks like they are getting closer?

http://www.virginmedia.com/tvradio/t...do-for-you.php

Originally Posted by hedgie (Post 35142097)

On the 8th tab it mentions the triple tuner configuration so this should be in place for the public launch...:)

Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 35142080)

Looks like they are getting closer?

http://www.virginmedia.com/tvradio/t...do-for-you.php

Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic (Post 35141747)

yeah, just read that... I think this is good for both Sky and VM, it keeps them both on thier toes. He says VM have "upped their game" and they have.

There's not much content that VM doesn't have now and Sky seem to be hoping 3D takes off in a big way.

interesting times ahead....

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35142336)

Virgin have made a massive improvement on there TV service however there are still some HD channels that many people would like to see Ie ESPNA HD , Nat Geo Wild HD , Sky sports 3 and 4 HD , some kids HD channels etc.

Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35142362)

A couple of more questions, if anyone can help:

1. Is the catch up service on ALL programming?

2. How soon after transmission is it up loaded?

3. Is the catch up recordable?

4. Does it come with a qwerty keyboard?

Sorry, it was few more than a couple. :D

Originally Posted by TonyHoyle (Post 35142365)

There is a qwerty remote available for Tivo in the US (http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/08/24...qwerty-remote/) and it's quite likely you'll be able to get it over here (or import it).

Or control it all remotely with the rather cool ipad app..

Originally Posted by kgollop (Post 35142299)

Noticed one of slide eight has a "recording quality" setting. Something I'm a little surprised to see as I thought all PVRs recorded the raw data stream?

Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 35141722)

Looks like SKY are doubting VIRGIN TIVO

Sky exec doubts Virgin's new TiVo service

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/broadcas...o-service.html

Originally Posted by jagsman (Post 35142481)

I think they(SKY) are maybe realising that they have backed the wrong horse with 3D. The fact that they have not released any figures on the uptake of their 3D service, proves the point.

Originally Posted by jb66 (Post 35142575)

Once something like call of duty 3d comes out then 3d tvs will take off

Originally Posted by gadge (Post 35142707)

Over on nialls blog a poster has said they have spoken to cs and was told vip customers can be upgraded in jan xl customers march not sure if its legit but maybe a ploy to get customers on to vip packs heres the link.

http://vmhd.blogspot.com/