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punky 27-06-2010 17:46

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I'm slightly out on the goals but really its gone exactly as I predicted it.

I've said all along, we've been poor. We limped through an extremely weak group and I said as soon as we meet any decent opposition, we'll be thrashed. And we have, no doubt about it. Been outclassed all the way through.

The problem is the manager. We don't have bad players. Sure they have bad games but 10-11 players don't have 4+ bad games on the trot. It's bad management. Bad line-ups, bad organisation, bad preparation, bad tactics, bad man management, the lot. And when it all goes wrong, Capello has no clue how to fix it. Heskey on for Defoe? Cole on for Milner on the RW? The defence has been a disgrace. The rest of the team are all over the place. Players constantly seeking the Hollywood goal/pass. I'm not going over the problems from the last 3 games again but England keep doing it. And it's all schoolboy stuff.

The problem clearly lies at Capello. I don't care what he has done with other teams. He has done nothing for us and shows no signs of ever doing so. I wished we had gone out at the group stage then he would have been sacked and we could have the complete reboot throughout the team like we should have had after McLaren. Will he get sacked now? Probably not. And so we'll have no chance for Euro '12.

gazzae 27-06-2010 17:48

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Can the FA afford to sack Capello after just giving him a new contract?

punky 27-06-2010 17:52

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This reminds me exactly of how I felt with Spurs at the beginning of the 08-09 season with Ramos. Ramos was/is just as inept as Capello and made all the same mistakes. Putting the wrong players in the wrong places. Bad tactics. Bad man mangement. Soon as Harry comes in, he swaps the players positions around, one team talk and it's a completely different team. Night and day.

TheDaddy 27-06-2010 17:53

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Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 35047569)
Can the FA afford to sack Capello after just giving him a new contract?

Did he actually get an extension to that new contract though, thought he just had some clauses removed, if he did get a new one some one at the FA wants shooting, I suppose they are thinking of Bobby Robson at Italia '90 when he left because they didn't offer him a contract quick enough but that was 20 years ago and we haven't come close since.

Anyway this made me chuckle

Quote:

BBC Sport's Mark Lawrenson "Ah well, there's always Wimbledon."

Lord Nikon 27-06-2010 17:54

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Game Over.

yesman 27-06-2010 18:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Acathla (Post 35047326)
Germany 4 - 1 England

I was wondering if you could predict this coming weeks lottery numbers for me?

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Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 35047569)
Can the FA afford to sack Capello after just giving him a new contract?

Hopefully he will resign, but with all those pounds to come he probably won't :(

gazzae 27-06-2010 18:08

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Saw this on another site...

José Luis Chilavert(Goalkeeper) 1989–2003

Paraguay

74 caps 8 goals

Emile Heskey (Striker) 1999–

England

62 caps 7 goals

Sirius 27-06-2010 18:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 35047569)
Can the FA afford to sack Capello after just giving him a new contract?

Why do we automatically blame the Manager. All i saw was a bunch of overpaid men kick a ball about like a Sunday afternoon team in the park :mad:

Its in the hands of the players when the game is on and our players all had a different game plan.

We have been beaten by a better team with better players

Niles Crane 27-06-2010 18:24

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Great match, i'm looking forward to fallout.

[gloat]For now, i'm off to Soccer City for Argentina vs Mexico![/gloat]

budwieser 27-06-2010 18:26

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35047592)
Why do we automatically blame the Manager. All i saw was a bunch of overpaid men kick a ball about like a Sunday afternoon team in the park :mad:

Its in the hands of the players when the game is on and our players all had a different game plan.

We have been beaten by a better team with better players


You are so wrong sirius........ They were worse than that.:mad:

TheDaddy 27-06-2010 18:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35047592)
Why do we automatically blame the Manager. All i saw was a bunch of overpaid men kick a ball about like a Sunday afternoon team in the park :mad:

Its in the hands of the players when the game is on and our players all had a different game plan.

We have been beaten by a better team with better players

Because the buck stops with him, he is paid to pick the best team, motivate them, select the right tactics and make sure they all know their jobs and the game plan, for that he is paid an absolute fortune and from where I am sitting it looks like he took it so seriously he didn't even both to learn the language properly.

Sirius 27-06-2010 18:39

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35047616)
Because the buck stops with him, he is paid to pick the best team, motivate them, select the right tactics and make sure they all know their jobs and the game plan, for that he is paid an absolute fortune and from where I am sitting it looks like he took it so seriously he didn't even both to learn the language properly.

But if at the end of the day players go out on that pitch with there own agenda then what can the manager do. I have seen one player on that pitch today who earns 100.000 a week if i am right with the figure play crap. Its not just the manager every one of those players needs to look at them selves and decide why they did not give there best performance.

The fallout begins from today and i do not think the manager is the only one to blame. Maybe we need to rethink the whole England team from the ground up :rolleyes:

Also why does football not have the technology to help with some of the decisions like they now have in rugby

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Originally Posted by budwieser (Post 35047607)
You are so wrong sirius........ They were worse than that.:mad:

I am a rugby man more than football, But even i saw how crap the players were

iFrankie 27-06-2010 18:39

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Look on the bright side, we might win in 4 years time..

Arthurgray50@blu 27-06-2010 18:42

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I will tell you why l think the problem lays with Capello, he can't speak proper English, he is useless, he has picked a team, that tis supposed to be the best there is, absolutely cobblers, Rooney did not score one goal, he was totally rubbish, and yet he takes off Defoe and puts on another crap player in Heskey.

The FA shouls hold the head in shame, they should be saying to fans, we will pay for your fare home, and make the players pay it, disgraceful performance.

budwieser 27-06-2010 18:44

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35047630)
I will tell you why l think the problem lays with Capello, he can't speak proper English, he is useless, he has picked a team, that tis supposed to be the best there is, absolutely cobblers, Rooney did not score one goal, he was totally rubbish, and yet he takes off Defoe and puts on another crap player in Heskey.

The FA shouls hold the head in shame, they should be saying to fans, we will pay for your fare home, and make the players pay it, disgraceful performance.

Please Arthur,
The problem Arthur is these `superstars` are being paid too much to do a job and not doing it.!

zaax 27-06-2010 18:46

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The next England match in autumn for the Euro 2012 - 3 Sept. and we need to be sorted by then otherwise we will miss it like last time.

martyh 27-06-2010 18:48

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listening to capello after the match he actually thought that England played well :shrug:

i can't understand why he played players out of their normal positions and why for the love of god didn't our top goal scorer ,Crouch get a look in :shrug:

budwieser 27-06-2010 18:59

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Shameful performance, They totally let England down..........:confused:
The Germans played really basically and beat us, what does that say about our team?

Jimmy-J 27-06-2010 19:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35047625)

Also why does football not have the technology to help with some of the decisions like they now have in rugby

We've had the technology for years, we had it today via the camera showing the ball go way over the goal line, but the people in charge decide to ignore it. Pathetic.

Gerard was greedy, Rooney shouldn't have even been on the pitch, judging by his performance in every one of the games, I'd say he had an injury. Not once today, did he take shot at the goal when the chance was there, he decided to pass it on, even the corner that he took, he played short to avoid more damage to his foot. imho.

No excuses, it was embarrassing to watch. Sunday league football at its utter worse!

Gary L 27-06-2010 19:21

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Germany deserved to win that game (obviously)
they had full control when they had the ball. they were skillful the way they played it all the time.

England couldn't keep it for more than a few seconds. they showed no skill in control of the ball. you always guaranteed it would just get booted somewhere hoping it lands at the feet of the same team.

We were crap. and always will be.
nevermind. we can always keep going on about 19 bloody 66.

yesman 27-06-2010 19:25

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Originally Posted by budwieser (Post 35047643)
Shameful performance, They totally let England down..........:confused:
The Germans played really basically and beat us, what does that say about our team?

I think it proves that we are third rate on the world stage, the quarter finals is usually our limit and we didn't even make that this time.

The problem is we think we are better than we actually are, having said that, we could have done a better job than we did today on and off the pitch. Every World Cup is the same, we get knocked out and the mud slinging starts.

vanman 27-06-2010 19:27

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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35047655)
nevermind. we can always keep going on about 19 bloody 66.

but that 2nd for england was in just like 66

Gary L 27-06-2010 19:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by yesman (Post 35047662)
The problem is we think we are better than we actually are,

Too right. there's non proffesional players out there that could play better for England.

everytime we play, we just look lazy. as if it's just a formality to be there on the pitch.

Lord Nikon 27-06-2010 19:33

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it was shameful, terrible, absolutely pathetic.

Germany could have scored MANY more goals than they did.

Russ 27-06-2010 19:34

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Manager after manager, your team consistently fails on the big stage. Let's face it, apart from that minor blip back in 66 England have never looked like World champions. I don't care if you don't like to hear it from a Welshman, it's true. Domestically your team may be strong but unless there's a home nation tournament it won't amount to anything. Oh don't worry you can get your own back in the qualifies for Euro 12 but going on the last few performances I reckon we could be in with a shout :D

In all honesty I mean this - better luck next time. If anyone can bring the WC back to the UK it's England.

budwieser 27-06-2010 19:45

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Thought that my post had been reported. I`m not that bad am i?...:D:angel:

Maggy 27-06-2010 20:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35047630)
I will tell you why l think the problem lays with Capello, he can't speak proper English, he is useless, he has picked a team, that tis supposed to be the best there is, absolutely cobblers, Rooney did not score one goal, he was totally rubbish, and yet he takes off Defoe and puts on another crap player in Heskey.

The FA shouls hold the head in shame, they should be saying to fans, we will pay for your fare home, and make the players pay it, disgraceful performance.

Even I a non interested football hating ingrate can see that you are talking out of your derrière.

This Man has taken several international titles with differing teams and won very well.

It's the over paid arrogant big headed twonks of players who could not find their own backsides even if their heads were stuck on backwards...

superbiatch 27-06-2010 20:26

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35047699)
It's the over paid arrogant big headed twonks of players who could not find their own backsides even if their heads were stuck on backwards...

Too many individuals, not enough team players unfortunately IMO.

Sirius 27-06-2010 20:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35047699)

It's the over paid arrogant big headed twonks of players who could not find their own backsides even if their heads were stuck on backwards...

:clap: :clap:

Matty_ 27-06-2010 20:47

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England and Capello`s choice of trying to put square pegs in round holes has been a total shambles. Why play a system which most of the players aren`t used to? Why play players in positions they aren`t used to?
Just because they are the best players doesn`t mean they will become the best team. If you look at the midfield, which i think is the root of the problem they are crying out for a player who sits just in front of the back four and a player who sits just behind the front two. This leaves you room for two more central/wide midfielders. The player who tucks in behind the strikers should be one of either Lampard or Gerrard both of whom make a case. When you try to accomdate a player, i.e. Gerrard by sticking him out on the left you are straight away moving from the norm.
English players are not good/disciplined enough to play in roles unfamiliar to them.

England should play a 4-1-4-1 type system which the players are used to. Do not put a player in the team because he`s great for his club in one position but that position is allready taken, let them show who`s best.
That has got to be one of the most tactically inept tournaments ever by an England side and i for one lay the blame squarely at Capello`s door...

Lord Nikon 27-06-2010 20:54

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Suggestion

No picking of the england team. Let there be a competition for ALL players who WANT a position in the team to EARN that position. put the players who are hungriest for the role on the team.

Damien 27-06-2010 21:01

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Interesting. Offside goal from Argentina, the players and then the linesman saw the mistake on the big screens and it all kicks off. The Mexican players surrounding the linesman, who now can spot his mistake and looks like he is wondering what he can do. The Argentina players then surround him thinking he is about to revoke the goal, but he can't.

Another argument for technology.

I do actually understand FIFA's argument. That it would create a bigger discrepancy between the higher and lower levels of football who would not be able to afford it. If not managed correctly it could cause a lot of disruption and even then video is not always clear, especially with fouls/dives.

Derek 27-06-2010 21:02

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[hardhat on]
Where is a half-blind russian linesman when you need one? :D
[hardhat off]

Anyway I didn't see the game as I had to work but from what I managed to glimpse and listen to on the radio it seems that if it went 2-2 that score would be flattering to England and Germany would still hammer them.

At the end of the day whilst individually the England players have the skills needed to progress and challenge for silverware as a team they are distinctly average and I can't see how that will change with the current premiership setup and ridiculous wages putting them out of touch with normal people.

Damien 27-06-2010 21:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Derek S (Post 35047734)

At the end of the day whilst individually the England players have the skills needed to progress and challenge for silverware as a team they are distinctly average and I can't see how that will change with the current premiership setup and ridiculous wages putting them out of touch with normal people.

The thing is in their respective teams they are supported by better players, who don't get the credit in the rush to hype and highlight the achivements on the British players.

Rooney, as good as he is, has excellent support at United from players like Nani, and Park. The system is set up to take advantage of Rooney and he is well supplied with excellent balls and runs from the less praised players in United's midfield.

Gerrard was much better with Alonso as well.

The team is quite weak in total, still a top 8 team but not as good as the better teams of the world who may have less 'stars' but better depth and quality throughout the team.

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The BBC have to stop treating Blatter and FIFA which such distain, it's stupid. Referring to his assistants are 'cronies' and rolling their eyes whenever they read a statement from them (like the worry about creating vastly different tiers of footballing).

I disagree with FIFA's position but still..

Maggy 27-06-2010 21:24

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How many of the supportive team members in the Manchester U team are currently playing for their own teams?

Seems to me we don't have enough world class ENGLISH players..

Damien 27-06-2010 21:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35047747)
How many of the supportive team members in the Manchester U team are currently playing for their own teams?
.

Fletcher plays for Scotland
Nani plays for Portugal
Park plays for South Korea.

They are all international players of great quality, they just don't get the attention.

Hom3r 27-06-2010 22:29

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From the Sepp Blatter page on FB

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FIFA President Sepp Blatter has just been the victim of a hit and run in South Africa, the incident was caught on camera but police told him they're not allowed to watch the footage.


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Official petition to remove Sepp Blatter from office

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=130474000318597

Mick 27-06-2010 22:30

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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35047797)
From the Sepp Blatter page on FB

LOL - I knew it wouldn't be long before someone would come up with something like that. :D

Hom3r 27-06-2010 22:31

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I'm the 18th member :D

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Both Sepp and Bernie are destroying the sport they are supposed to represent.

Derek 27-06-2010 22:33

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Too soon? :D

TRIBUTES are being paid to Scotland today after the entire country laughed itself to death. The alarm was first raised at around 4pm as thousands of phone calls and text messages went unanswered.

Small groups of volunteers from Berwick-Upon-Tweed and Carlisle ventured north only to find houses full of dead people gathered around still blaring television sets.
As RAF helicopters flew over deserted city streets, it was clear that the whole country had suffered a catastrophic abdominal rupture.
Wayne Hayes, a special constable from Northumberland, said: "We went into one house in Dunbar and found three men sitting on the sofa with huge smiles on their faces, still holding cans of tennents. They seemed to be at peace."
He added: "In a house near Edinburgh we found a man face down on the living room floor with his trousers and pants round his knees.
"It seems he may have been showing his bare buttocks to the television when he keeled over."

Roy Hobbs, a civil engineer from Northampton, said: "I got a call from my friend Ian in Stirling at about 3:40PM
"He was already laughing when I answered the phone, but after about 25 minutes of the most vigorous and uncontrollable hilarity, everything suddenly went very quiet."

Moving tributes are already being placed along the Scotland-England border with many mourners opting to leave a simple bag of chips or a deep fried bunch of flowers.

Russ 27-06-2010 22:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Derek S (Post 35047806)
Too soon? :D

TRIBUTES are being paid to Scotland today after the entire country laughed itself to death. The alarm was first raised at around 4pm as thousands of phone calls and text messages went unanswered.

Small groups of volunteers from Berwick-Upon-Tweed and Carlisle ventured north only to find houses full of dead people gathered around still blaring television sets.
As RAF helicopters flew over deserted city streets, it was clear that the whole country had suffered a catastrophic abdominal rupture.
Wayne Hayes, a special constable from Northumberland, said: "We went into one house in Dunbar and found three men sitting on the sofa with huge smiles on their faces, still holding cans of tennents. They seemed to be at peace."
He added: "In a house near Edinburgh we found a man face down on the living room floor with his trousers and pants round his knees.
"It seems he may have been showing his bare buttocks to the television when he keeled over."

Roy Hobbs, a civil engineer from Northampton, said: "I got a call from my friend Ian in Stirling at about 3:40PM
"He was already laughing when I answered the phone, but after about 25 minutes of the most vigorous and uncontrollable hilarity, everything suddenly went very quiet."

Moving tributes are already being placed along the Scotland-England border with many mourners opting to leave a simple bag of chips or a deep fried bunch of flowers.

:rofl:

yesman 27-06-2010 22:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Derek S (Post 35047806)
He added: "In a house near Edinburgh we found a man face down on the living room floor with his trousers and pants round his knees.
"It seems he may have been showing his bare buttocks to the television when he keeled over."

That sounds about right :p:

RizzyKing 27-06-2010 23:37

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Right now english national football deserves to be the laughing stock it really does never in my life have i seen a bigger bunch of passionless going through the motions waste of space before. Capello and his stubborness need a p45 and so do many of those players who seriously looked like they had better things to do then be on the pitch. Maybe it is time to incentivise them with their clubs saying "get picked for national squad and play crap and your wage gets chopped when you get home" watch how fast they get some passion. Sorry day for english football and an even sorrier day to be a supporter of it i am totally embarassed right now to say i support england and mug that i am will continue too but right now i don't have to like it.

Fair play to germany they weren't brilliant but they played well and deserved the win disallowed goal or not they won that match and the right team did win it.

Hom3r 27-06-2010 23:39

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Right time to back Ghana :)

Gary L 28-06-2010 00:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35047832)
Fair play to germany they weren't brilliant but they played well and deserved the win disallowed goal or not they won that match and the right team did win it.

I spoke to a German earlier before the match. he said that in the spirit of sportsmanship they would be supporting the English underdogs today, but then go back to supporting Germany in their remaining three games.

gazfan 28-06-2010 00:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35047832)
Right now english national football deserves to be the laughing stock it really does never in my life have i seen a bigger bunch of passionless going through the motions waste of space before. Capello and his stubborness need a p45 and so do many of those players who seriously looked like they had better things to do then be on the pitch. Maybe it is time to incentivise them with their clubs saying "get picked for national squad and play crap and your wage gets chopped when you get home" watch how fast they get some passion. Sorry day for english football and an even sorrier day to be a supporter of it i am totally embarassed right now to say i support england and mug that i am will continue too but right now i don't have to like it.

Fair play to germany they weren't brilliant but they played well and deserved the win disallowed goal or not they won that match and the right team did win it.

Yes congratulations to Germany, they played us off the park, although I'm saddened at the goals they scored via a counter-attack, exposing our defence, they managed to pass the ball & control the play when it mattered, which we couldn't do.

Re the wages - perhaps they should be 'chopped' to the same level as the average supporter, whether for club or country - 20K per year, rather than 50k per week might be a 'wake up' for them, it would certainly test their commitment ..

Niles Crane 28-06-2010 01:43

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I'm convinced the people who go on about wages haven't got a clue about football.

Do you think the Germany squad play for peanuts? The game is a professional sport overseas too, you know.

gazfan 28-06-2010 01:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Niles Crane (Post 35047854)
I'm convinced the people who go on about wages haven't got a clue about football.

Do you think the Germany squad play for peanuts? The game is a professional sport overseas too, you know.

I admit I haven't a clue about football, but even though I first attended a game back in the 1960's I'll bet the players, then, didn't earn 50x the average wage.

I've got a ticket stub for Stamford Bridge that cost £5.25 - I stood on the grassy bank that was then the shed & watched Peter Osgood play against Grimsby Town - I'd be surprised if, even he, earned that much more than my yearly wage per week, then....

Horace 28-06-2010 02:07

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I'm probably the only person in the whole world, with the exception of Capello that thought we did ok, the main problem was the bad linesman decision, we saw in the Mexico match how bad decisions like that really mess a team up, players try to 'get back' for the mistake and in turn lose concentration and tried too hard to score. It's no co-incidence that Germany scored two goals on the counter-attack, John Terry being at the other end of the pitch during one of them. Our defence behaved completely differently to all other games after that decision, it had been fine up until today and I don't remember any criticism of the defence during qualifiers or indeed the first three games. The problems were in mid-field and attack especially with do-nothing-Rooney being continually picked. If Capello did anything wrong it was sticking with players who continually prove their worthlessness in international matches. Capello or any future manager probably needs to start looking outside the Premiership or at least to lower-profile players that can play without having elite foreign players backing them up instead of being lazy and just selecting well known 'names'.

Niles Crane 28-06-2010 02:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gazfan (Post 35047857)
I admit I haven't a clue about football, but even though I first attended a game back in the 1960's I'll bet the players, then, didn't earn 50x the average wage.

I've got a ticket stub for Stamford Bridge that cost £5.25 - I stood on the grassy bank that was then the shed & watched Peter Osgood play against Grimsby Town - I'd be surprised if, even he, earned that much more than my yearly wage per week, then....

It doesn't really matter. The Germany players are all stinking rich too, so it's pretty illogical to use the England players salary as reasoning for their demise or lack of "passion".

Mick 28-06-2010 03:08

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I personally don't think it is anything to do with Salaries, but I will agree they are all massively over paid.

I think the problem with England over the course of the tournament was bad moral among the players. Bad management decisions, I just couldn't believe what or where John Terry's heart was during some of those games, because it wasn't in the Germany game.

Like the commentators were saying during the game, these players, Rooney, Gerrard, Lampard and Terry, they are all Premier league players, they have all the talent necessary, you pick a top Premier league team to be the 'England' team, there wouldn't have been an issue with any World cup team IMO.

TheDaddy 28-06-2010 07:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35047625)
But if at the end of the day players go out on that pitch with there own agenda then what can the manager do.

Drop them?


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The fallout begins from today and i do not think the manager is the only one to blame. Maybe we need to rethink the whole England team from the ground up :rolleyes:
It's a great idea but sadly we have blown all the cash on a stadium. For one I'd like to see more genuine football people involved at the FA, look at the Germans and it's a veritable who's who of ex international players administrating the game.

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35047673)
Manager after manager, your team consistently fails on the big stage. Let's face it, apart from that minor blip back in 66 England have never looked like World champions.

Forgotten Italia 90, I have no doubt we'd have beaten that Argentinian team in the final, sadly the only thing we seem to have learnt from that is don't let the managers contract run down pre finals and that has been a roaring success ever since.

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Originally Posted by Niles Crane (Post 35047861)
It doesn't really matter. The Germany players are all stinking rich too, so it's pretty illogical to use the England players salary as reasoning for their demise or lack of "passion".

Luca Toni was the worlds highest paid player a couple of years ago when he was with Bayern Munchen

Sirius 28-06-2010 07:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Niles Crane (Post 35047854)
I'm convinced the people who go on about wages haven't got a clue about football.

Do you think the Germany squad play for peanuts? The game is a professional sport overseas too, you know.

You right i don't have a clue about Football i watch rugby, however on the performance of some of our highly paid ballerinas sorry footballers i would say nether do they.

End of the day the average man takes a while to save up to be able to afford a tournament like this and shows passion when he is there supporting the team, The likes of Rooney and Gerrard don't give a hoot about the cost and even if they did have to pay its pocket money to them, the only player yesterday with any passion was James and he can hold his head up high knowing he saved us from a bigger defeat.

papa smurf 28-06-2010 08:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35047878)
You right i don't have a clue about Football i watch rugby, however on the performance of some of our highly paid ballerinas sorry footballers i would say nether do they.

End of the day the average man takes a while to save up to be able to afford a tournament like this and shows passion when he is there supporting the team, The likes of Rooney and Gerrard don't give a hoot about the cost and even if they did have to pay its pocket money to them, the only player yesterday with any passion was James and he can hold his head up high knowing he saved us from a bigger defeat.

dito
i also wonder what future flabyjo propellor has if any

Damien 28-06-2010 09:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Horace (Post 35047860)
I'm probably the only person in the whole world, with the exception of Capello that thought we did ok, the main problem was the bad linesman decision, we saw in the Mexico match how bad decisions like that really mess a team up, players try to 'get back' for the mistake and in turn lose concentration and tried too hard to score. It's no co-incidence that Germany scored two goals on the counter-attack, John Terry being at the other end of the pitch during one of them. Our defence behaved completely differently to all other games after that decision, it had been fine up until today and I don't remember any criticism of the defence during qualifiers or indeed the first three games.

England's defence was awful before the disallowed goal, that's how Germany were already 2 - 0 up. Terrible defending before and after. The reason it had been 'fine' up till then was because we didn't play any really decent side.

yesman 28-06-2010 10:09

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https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2010/06/16.jpg

Salu 28-06-2010 10:19

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Apparently Oxo have come out with a new cube in honour of the England team. It's on a white background with a red cross on it and of course, it's called......


























.......the "laughing stock"....

;);)

Kymmy 28-06-2010 10:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Salu (Post 35047908)
Apparently Oxo have come out with a new cube in honour of the England team.

Congrats on being the third person on the forum with that joke.. ;)

Salu 28-06-2010 10:25

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Darn it. I searched too...

Matty_ 28-06-2010 13:46

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Most things have allready been said so i won`t go over old ground :D

The only thing i don`t think has been mentioned is that this was not a very good German team we where playing. They didn`t play all that well either yet still managed to score four times :confused:

If you took the England teams players at club level and said to the managers of said players "would you swap him for the opposite German player" maybe 2 or 3 would go for the German player.
Argentina will devour the Germans in the quarters, they have pace up front which they are able to use effectively, in other words the forwards can control/hold on to/use the ball and the Germans defence is not much better than ours.

Spain is the only hope for a European country in this world cup with France, Italy and England allready out it seems that European football at International level has really dropped to a new low. Maybe the influx of South American/African players into all the major European leagues is finally starting to bite...

I haven`t a clue what the answer is, maybe there isn`t one :erm:

Saaf_laandon_mo 28-06-2010 13:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Matty_ (Post 35048000)
Most things have allready been said so i won`t go over old ground :D

The only thing i don`t think has been mentioned is that this was not a very good German team we where playing. They didn`t play all that well either yet still managed to score four times :confused:

If you took the England teams players at club level and said to the managers of said players "would you swap him for the opposite German player" maybe 2 or 3 would go for the German player.
Argentina will devour the Germans in the quarters, they have pace up front which they are able to use effectively, in other words the forwards can control/hold on to/use the ball and the Germans defence is not much better than ours.

Spain is the only hope for a European country in this world cup with France, Italy and England allready out it seems that European football at International level has really dropped to a new low. Maybe the influx of South American/African players into all the major European leagues is finally starting to bite...

I haven`t a clue what the answer is, maybe there isn`t one :erm:

Portugal will beat Spain tomorrow, i think Spain have been pretty poor this world cup. I think Portugal will get to the semis personally.

Damien 28-06-2010 14:49

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...dknapp-england

Ol 'arry is up for being England manager

danielf 28-06-2010 14:58

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Fifa swiftly respond to the controversy surrounding Argentina's offside goal which was replayed on the stadium screens, so everybody saw it was an offside goal but it still stood.

Quote:

Football's governing body has announced that it will crack down on World Cup match action being shown on stadium giant screens after replays of Tevez's disputed goal against Mexico sparked arguments on the pitch.

Maingot said the replaying of such incidents "should not happen," and will be more tightly controlled at future matches.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...10/8766423.stm

Great solution. As of now, when there is no replay of a goal in the stadium, the crowd will know there was something fishy. Needless to say, Fifa see no reason to reopen the debate on goal-line technology. :rolleyes:

Julian 28-06-2010 15:07

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I think the thing that will wind a lot of people up is when pictures of England team players "relaxing on holiday" start appearing in the press in a few days.

They earn enough money in their full time jobs, their club managers will be delighted they have been knocked out and any negative feelings from fans will be forgotten when they pull on their club jerseys.

Damien 28-06-2010 15:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Julian (Post 35048031)
I think the thing that will wind a lot of people up is when pictures of England team players "relaxing on holiday" start appearing in the press in a few days.

They earn enough money in their full time jobs, their club managers will be delighted they have been knocked out and any negative feelings from fans will be forgotten when they pull on their club jerseys.

I would rather my club do well than England but since not a single Arsenal player was in the squad I am spared any conflicting emotions anyway :D

Peter_ 28-06-2010 16:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35048040)
I would rather my club do well than England but since not a single Arsenal player was in the squad I am spared any conflicting emotions anyway :D

They were mostly in all the other teams though.:D

TheDaddy 28-06-2010 16:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35048026)
Ol 'arry is up for being England manager

Great choice, what if he ends up in prison though......

Damien 28-06-2010 18:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35048049)
Great choice, what if he ends up in prison though......

It would be Funny. Plus, why wait until the next international tournament before firing the manager? We can fire them quicker than that!

Also, As a Arsenal fan, Spurs will miss him :D (Also he has a habit of leaving clubs just before everything goes tits up!).

Seriously though his teams play proper, attacking, football that is a joy to watch and it would be nice to see England to be fun to watch. Although I worry he will play favourites and we'll see Defoe, Crouch and Cole in the team all the time. Defoe fair enough but the other loy I don't rate as first team English players.

TheDaddy 28-06-2010 18:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35048108)
It would be Funny. Plus, why wait until the next international tournament before firing the manager? We can fire them quicker than that!

Also, As a Arsenal fan, Spurs will miss him :D (Also he has a habit of leaving clubs just before everything goes tits up!).

Seriously though his teams play proper, attacking, football that is a joy to watch and it would be nice to see England to be fun to watch. Although I worry he will play favourites and we'll see Defoe, Crouch and Cole in the team all the time. Defoe fair enough but the other loy I don't rate as first team English players.

It would be funny and I agree with your last paragraph to, I still rate Harry very highly, he should have been given a top job years ago.

Niles Crane 28-06-2010 19:10

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Great article, "How Ingerland is Killing England". Some excerpts:

Quote:

The worst thing about an England tournament exit is the fall-out; the phone-ins with idiot fans, the tabloid hyperbole, the pundits with easy solutions and the inevitable sacking of the manager.

This is the noise of what I call Ingerland; the noise of people who expected too much based on nothing other than their own myriad delusions, false assumptions and insane expectations.

The more rational, perceptive voice of England fans gets drowned out in the all this bluster.
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Ingerland fans are full of rubbish. To these people it is always the players who were not picked that would have provided the solution. If only Darren Bent had been selected, or Theo Walcott or whoever, they would have turned things around. One caller to 606 offers the argument that Liverpool won five trophies when Peter Crouch played for them as proof of why Crouch should have played from the start. He's totally sure. Pity that it's not true.

England fans know that just picking another couple of players who are inculcated into the same football culture, the same youth training, with the same attitude, will not help. England fans know a revolution from the grassroots upwards is what is required, not just shuffling the chairs on the deck of a Titanic.

But the bellicose howling of Ingerland is now in full flow with fans shouting about Capello being foreign. That's always the problem to Ingerland fans - "get 'Arry in" says one Ingerland blow-hard, "he's proper English".

Proper. English.
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Ingerland doesn't like foreign. Indeed, to the Ingerland man, it's the foreigners who are to blame for pretty much everything.

England fans know this is spurious nonsense, not least because the results under English managers have been no better. Our best-ever run of form was under Sven. Ingerland has forgotten this and chooses only to remember the tabloid portrayal of him as a funny foreigner who was a loser.

England fans know that it's not the management that is the problem, it's everything else.
Quote:

Another Ingerland fan drags out a favourite cliché calling them 'overpaid prima donnas' and wants the government to cut their wages, stunningly unaware that they are not public sector workers. He just seems to want to punish them; to hurt them.

England fans know that it matters not how much you're paid, if you're not able to play less rigid, inflexible football from an early age; if you can't control a ball with one touch, if you are caught out of position and are too slow to compete, you are going to end up losing. Making them poorer won't change that.
Quote:

After every tournament failure we hear the full cry of Ingerland eagerly looking for scapegoats, wanting to wipe the past clean and start again, wanting a silver bullet to make it all better. The domination of Ingerland fans and the Ingerland press who feed them at times like this are all part of the England problem. Their bluster and ignorance puts up a smokescreen and obfuscates more rational, intelligent debate and thought.

I genuinely believe most England fans know what the basic problems are and how they might be solved in the long term, the trouble is it's the voices of Ingerland who all too often gear and drive the authorities' decisions. Ingerland says it is the carrier of the flame of Olde Albion. It is the only one who really cares and many in authority believe them or are too scared to take them on.

In short, Ingerland is killing England.

martyh 28-06-2010 20:39

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sky link

Quote:

Capello flatly denied he found his players difficult to work with during the tournament in South Africa, but described them as "really tired at this competition".
so after a few weeks break from the premiership,2 weeks in a 5 star resort prior to the start and no wags to "distract" them physically they are still tired :rolleyes: we could all use that excuse for not doing our jobs properly

re the wages ,all of the squad that played should donate all of their wages for playing in the tournement to charity or to some of the struggling local sunday league clubs +any money they got from endorsements during the competition

Russ 28-06-2010 22:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35047873)
Forgotten Italia 90, I have no doubt we'd have beaten that Argentinian team in the final,

Same story as every year since 1966 (talking of matches where goal-line technology would come in handy... ;)), England fail to perform on the grandest stage. "We could have beaten them" stands for nothing - 44 years on and England still look no closer to being World (or even Euro) champions.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Niles Crane
Great article, "How Ingerland is Killing England". Some excerpts:

:clap:

danielf 28-06-2010 22:39

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Meanwhile, back at the World Cup: Holland and Brazil to meet in Friday's quarter final. Should be a good game :erm:

Peter_ 28-06-2010 22:39

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Q: What's the difference between a PG Tips monkey and an English footballer?
A: A PG Tips monkey has been seen holding a cup.

---------------------------------

Robert Green's new nickname is The Cat.

Every time the ball comes near him his defenders have kittens.

Borrowed from elsewhere so enjoy.;)

danielf 28-06-2010 23:00

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http://weblogs.nrc.nl/wk2010/files/2...al-300x168.jpg

:D

Kymmy 28-06-2010 23:12

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Already posted (with insert) in the funny pictures thread :D

Damien 28-06-2010 23:32

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I enjoy the pundit acting miffed when they state "Yet again England go out to one of the big teams!?" as if the answer for this was not staring them in the face when they ask the question.

TheDaddy 29-06-2010 18:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35048292)
re the wages ,all of the squad that played should donate all of their wages for playing in the tournement to charity or to some of the struggling local sunday league clubs +any money they got from endorsements during the competition

I thought they already did that, although why they are actually paid wages for playing international football at all is a mystery

---------- Post added at 17:02 ---------- Previous post was at 16:58 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35048375)
Same story as every year since 1966 (talking of matches where goal-line technology would come in handy... ;)), England fail to perform on the grandest stage. "We could have beaten them" stands for nothing - 44 years on and England still look no closer to being World (or even Euro) champions.

Except it hasn't been the same old story, at Italia '90 we didn't fail to perform, we came within a penalty kick or 2 of being in the final and it was the same story at the Euro's 6 years later and I didn't say we could have beaten Argentina I am 100% sure we would have beaten that Argentina team in '90.

---------- Post added at 17:04 ---------- Previous post was at 17:02 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Masque (Post 35048382)
Q: What's the difference between a PG Tips monkey and an English footballer?
A: A PG Tips monkey has been seen holding a cup.

---------------------------------

Robert Green's new nickname is The Cat.

Every time the ball comes near him his defenders have kittens.

Borrowed from elsewhere so enjoy.;)

Borrowed from elsewhere, your not wrong, 1972 I belive :)

Hom3r 29-06-2010 18:06

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Fifa apologised for the team's costly "non goal" and vowed to reopen the file on video technology.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-...n_South_Africa

Kymmy 29-06-2010 18:23

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Shame it's been forced on Fifa and has prospectively spoiled a good tournament..

I wonder how much harder England or Mexico would have fought when they should have been one less goal down???

Hom3r 29-06-2010 18:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35048737)
Shame it's been forced on Fifa and has prospectively spoiled a good tournament..

Trouble is FIFA should already have a system in place.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35048737)
I wonder how much harder England or Mexico would have fought when they should have been one less goal down???

A big difference, the fight would be back on.

TheDaddy 29-06-2010 18:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35048727)
Fifa apologised for the team's costly "non goal" and vowed to reopen the file on video technology.

Vowed to re open and then slam shut the file again more like

Kymmy 29-06-2010 19:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35048740)
Trouble is FIFA should already have a system in place.



A big difference, the fight would be back on.



Hence my post on both points ;)

---------- Post added at 18:55 ---------- Previous post was at 18:01 ----------

Spain v Portugal @ 7:30pm, could be one of the games of the tournament..

danielf 29-06-2010 20:01

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Interestingly, the IFAB which needs to approve rule changes consists of 4 members of FIFA, and one member each from the English, Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish Football association. Decisions need at least six votes in favour, so Fifa have a veto, but there is a big British influence on the decisions. I wonder how the British Football Associations voted on Goal-line Technology.

p.s. Love the cached short description from Wiki on Google:

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The International Football Association Board (IFAB) are a bunch of corrupt old men who mentally still live in the 1960s. In theory they are the body that ...
Edit: The English and Scottish FA voted in favour. Fifa members and the Welsh and Irish FA voted against. Blame Russ ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by times
The English and Scottish FAs were in favour of technology but were outvoted 6-2 on the IFAB by Fifa’s four votes plus those of the Wales and Northern Ireland FAs.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...cle7053141.ece

12noon 29-06-2010 20:54

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Spain v Portugal who do you think will perform the best dive ?
:D

Hom3r 29-06-2010 21:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 12noon (Post 35048803)
Spain v Portugal who do you think will perform the best dive ?
:D

Ronaldo

Woolly One 29-06-2010 22:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35048809)
Ronaldo

Who also gets the Oscars' for, best actor and best supporting actor in 93mins of football. :)

danielf 29-06-2010 22:59

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Well, he'll be packing his hairdryer tomorrow :)

Derek 30-06-2010 10:48

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If he stays he's found some special training for the shot-shy English strikers to see if they can at least hit something.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2010/06/10.jpg

spiderplant 30-06-2010 15:49

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Hi, I'm new here so be nice :)

I need some help with the TV coverage of the World Cup. I found a listing on the BBC website. The problem is some matches (below) are listed with the same time and channel. Now even I know enough about football to know they only show one match at a time. Please can somebody tell me where and when these matches were actually shown? (I heard a rumour of ITV4 being used???). Also were they all shown in HD?

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June 22
1500: Mexico v Uruguay (Rustenburg) - ITV 1
1500: France v South Africa (Bloemfontein) - ITV 1
1930: Nigeria v South Korea (Durban)- BBC One
1930: Greece v Argentina (Polokwane) - BBC One
June 23
1500: Slovenia v England (Port Elizabeth)- BBC One
1500: US v Algeria (Pretoria)- BBC One
1930: Australia v Serbia (Nelspruit) - ITV 1
1930: Ghana v Germany (Soccer City, Johannesburg) - ITV 1
June 24
1500: Slovakia v Italy (Ellis Park, Johannesburg) - ITV 1
1500: Paraguay v New Zealand (Polokwane) - ITV 1
1930: Denmark v Japan (Rustenburg)- BBC One
1930: Cameroon v Holland (Cape Town) - BBC One
June 25
1500: Portugal v Brazil (Durban)- BBC One
1500: North Korea v Ivory Coast (Nelspruit)- BBC One
1930: Chile v Spain (Pretoria) - ITV 1
1930: Switzerland v Honduras (Bloemfontein) - ITV 1

Kymmy 30-06-2010 16:03

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Hmm, that's a mistake, BBC showing both matches would actually be BBC1 for one match and the other match on Red button (or BBC3), the same with ITV which uses ITV4 to show the 2nd match

BTW, welcome to the nuthouse :p:

Russ 30-06-2010 19:13

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There may be a reason why Rooney played with such poor concentration - rumours are rife in Merseyside that a story about him is going to break in sunday's News Of The World that could see his marriage over.

Julian 30-06-2010 19:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35049202)
There may be a reason why Rooney played with such poor concentration - rumours are rife in Merseyside that a story about him is going to break in sunday's News Of The World that could see his marriage over.

So it's him that's been porking Alex Curran?

Him and SG did pass to each other quite well. :erm:

Damien 30-06-2010 19:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35049202)
There may be a reason why Rooney played with such poor concentration - rumours are rife in Merseyside that a story about him is going to break in sunday's News Of The World that could see his marriage over.

I don't know, The same was said of Gerrard. People on the Internet can be extremely vicious....

Russ 30-06-2010 20:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Julian (Post 35049207)
So it's him that's been porking Alex Curran?

Him and SG did pass to each other quite well. :erm:

Nope, the rumour involves a repeat of his past indiscretions.

yesman 02-07-2010 15:45

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Quote:

Fabio Capello is to continue as England manager, the Football Association announced today.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/f...r-2016844.html

Hom3r 02-07-2010 15:45

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Capello to stay on as England manager.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-...Have_Confirmed

Delta Whiskey 02-07-2010 16:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35050077)
Capello to stay on as England manager.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-...Have_Confirmed

Does that mean we sack the team and start afresh, maybe give the under 21's their chance.

punky 02-07-2010 17:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Delta Whiskey (Post 35050105)
Does that mean we sack the team and start afresh, maybe give the under 21's their chance.

I said at the time Capello came along the team needs a reboot.

The youngsters (Hart, Lennon, Huddlestone, Young/A. Johnson, Agbonlahor) definitely need to come through and have a team built around them with seasoned professionals (J. Cole, Rooney, Defoe).

It needs a fresh approach with the right players being used in the right positions.

And no flaming Heskey.

Hom3r 02-07-2010 17:46

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Well as it stands in the Brazil, Holland match, my dads mate is on course to win £2,000 :D


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