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I'm slightly out on the goals but really its gone exactly as I predicted it.
I've said all along, we've been poor. We limped through an extremely weak group and I said as soon as we meet any decent opposition, we'll be thrashed. And we have, no doubt about it. Been outclassed all the way through. The problem is the manager. We don't have bad players. Sure they have bad games but 10-11 players don't have 4+ bad games on the trot. It's bad management. Bad line-ups, bad organisation, bad preparation, bad tactics, bad man management, the lot. And when it all goes wrong, Capello has no clue how to fix it. Heskey on for Defoe? Cole on for Milner on the RW? The defence has been a disgrace. The rest of the team are all over the place. Players constantly seeking the Hollywood goal/pass. I'm not going over the problems from the last 3 games again but England keep doing it. And it's all schoolboy stuff. The problem clearly lies at Capello. I don't care what he has done with other teams. He has done nothing for us and shows no signs of ever doing so. I wished we had gone out at the group stage then he would have been sacked and we could have the complete reboot throughout the team like we should have had after McLaren. Will he get sacked now? Probably not. And so we'll have no chance for Euro '12. |
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Can the FA afford to sack Capello after just giving him a new contract?
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This reminds me exactly of how I felt with Spurs at the beginning of the 08-09 season with Ramos. Ramos was/is just as inept as Capello and made all the same mistakes. Putting the wrong players in the wrong places. Bad tactics. Bad man mangement. Soon as Harry comes in, he swaps the players positions around, one team talk and it's a completely different team. Night and day.
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José Luis Chilavert(Goalkeeper) 1989–2003 Paraguay 74 caps 8 goals Emile Heskey (Striker) 1999– England 62 caps 7 goals |
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Its in the hands of the players when the game is on and our players all had a different game plan. We have been beaten by a better team with better players |
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Great match, i'm looking forward to fallout.
[gloat]For now, i'm off to Soccer City for Argentina vs Mexico![/gloat] |
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Look on the bright side, we might win in 4 years time..
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I will tell you why l think the problem lays with Capello, he can't speak proper English, he is useless, he has picked a team, that tis supposed to be the best there is, absolutely cobblers, Rooney did not score one goal, he was totally rubbish, and yet he takes off Defoe and puts on another crap player in Heskey.
The FA shouls hold the head in shame, they should be saying to fans, we will pay for your fare home, and make the players pay it, disgraceful performance. |
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The problem Arthur is these `superstars` are being paid too much to do a job and not doing it.! |
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The next England match in autumn for the Euro 2012 - 3 Sept. and we need to be sorted by then otherwise we will miss it like last time.
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listening to capello after the match he actually thought that England played well :shrug:
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Shameful performance, They totally let England down..........:confused:
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Gerard was greedy, Rooney shouldn't have even been on the pitch, judging by his performance in every one of the games, I'd say he had an injury. Not once today, did he take shot at the goal when the chance was there, he decided to pass it on, even the corner that he took, he played short to avoid more damage to his foot. imho. No excuses, it was embarrassing to watch. Sunday league football at its utter worse! |
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Germany deserved to win that game (obviously)
they had full control when they had the ball. they were skillful the way they played it all the time. England couldn't keep it for more than a few seconds. they showed no skill in control of the ball. you always guaranteed it would just get booted somewhere hoping it lands at the feet of the same team. We were crap. and always will be. nevermind. we can always keep going on about 19 bloody 66. |
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The problem is we think we are better than we actually are, having said that, we could have done a better job than we did today on and off the pitch. Every World Cup is the same, we get knocked out and the mud slinging starts. |
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everytime we play, we just look lazy. as if it's just a formality to be there on the pitch. |
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it was shameful, terrible, absolutely pathetic.
Germany could have scored MANY more goals than they did. |
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Manager after manager, your team consistently fails on the big stage. Let's face it, apart from that minor blip back in 66 England have never looked like World champions. I don't care if you don't like to hear it from a Welshman, it's true. Domestically your team may be strong but unless there's a home nation tournament it won't amount to anything. Oh don't worry you can get your own back in the qualifies for Euro 12 but going on the last few performances I reckon we could be in with a shout :D
In all honesty I mean this - better luck next time. If anyone can bring the WC back to the UK it's England. |
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Thought that my post had been reported. I`m not that bad am i?...:D:angel:
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This Man has taken several international titles with differing teams and won very well. It's the over paid arrogant big headed twonks of players who could not find their own backsides even if their heads were stuck on backwards... |
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England and Capello`s choice of trying to put square pegs in round holes has been a total shambles. Why play a system which most of the players aren`t used to? Why play players in positions they aren`t used to?
Just because they are the best players doesn`t mean they will become the best team. If you look at the midfield, which i think is the root of the problem they are crying out for a player who sits just in front of the back four and a player who sits just behind the front two. This leaves you room for two more central/wide midfielders. The player who tucks in behind the strikers should be one of either Lampard or Gerrard both of whom make a case. When you try to accomdate a player, i.e. Gerrard by sticking him out on the left you are straight away moving from the norm. English players are not good/disciplined enough to play in roles unfamiliar to them. England should play a 4-1-4-1 type system which the players are used to. Do not put a player in the team because he`s great for his club in one position but that position is allready taken, let them show who`s best. That has got to be one of the most tactically inept tournaments ever by an England side and i for one lay the blame squarely at Capello`s door... |
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No picking of the england team. Let there be a competition for ALL players who WANT a position in the team to EARN that position. put the players who are hungriest for the role on the team. |
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Interesting. Offside goal from Argentina, the players and then the linesman saw the mistake on the big screens and it all kicks off. The Mexican players surrounding the linesman, who now can spot his mistake and looks like he is wondering what he can do. The Argentina players then surround him thinking he is about to revoke the goal, but he can't.
Another argument for technology. I do actually understand FIFA's argument. That it would create a bigger discrepancy between the higher and lower levels of football who would not be able to afford it. If not managed correctly it could cause a lot of disruption and even then video is not always clear, especially with fouls/dives. |
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Where is a half-blind russian linesman when you need one? :D [hardhat off] Anyway I didn't see the game as I had to work but from what I managed to glimpse and listen to on the radio it seems that if it went 2-2 that score would be flattering to England and Germany would still hammer them. At the end of the day whilst individually the England players have the skills needed to progress and challenge for silverware as a team they are distinctly average and I can't see how that will change with the current premiership setup and ridiculous wages putting them out of touch with normal people. |
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Rooney, as good as he is, has excellent support at United from players like Nani, and Park. The system is set up to take advantage of Rooney and he is well supplied with excellent balls and runs from the less praised players in United's midfield. Gerrard was much better with Alonso as well. The team is quite weak in total, still a top 8 team but not as good as the better teams of the world who may have less 'stars' but better depth and quality throughout the team. ---------- Post added at 20:21 ---------- Previous post was at 20:11 ---------- The BBC have to stop treating Blatter and FIFA which such distain, it's stupid. Referring to his assistants are 'cronies' and rolling their eyes whenever they read a statement from them (like the worry about creating vastly different tiers of footballing). I disagree with FIFA's position but still.. |
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How many of the supportive team members in the Manchester U team are currently playing for their own teams?
Seems to me we don't have enough world class ENGLISH players.. |
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Nani plays for Portugal Park plays for South Korea. They are all international players of great quality, they just don't get the attention. |
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Too soon? :D
TRIBUTES are being paid to Scotland today after the entire country laughed itself to death. The alarm was first raised at around 4pm as thousands of phone calls and text messages went unanswered. Small groups of volunteers from Berwick-Upon-Tweed and Carlisle ventured north only to find houses full of dead people gathered around still blaring television sets. As RAF helicopters flew over deserted city streets, it was clear that the whole country had suffered a catastrophic abdominal rupture. Wayne Hayes, a special constable from Northumberland, said: "We went into one house in Dunbar and found three men sitting on the sofa with huge smiles on their faces, still holding cans of tennents. They seemed to be at peace." He added: "In a house near Edinburgh we found a man face down on the living room floor with his trousers and pants round his knees. "It seems he may have been showing his bare buttocks to the television when he keeled over." Roy Hobbs, a civil engineer from Northampton, said: "I got a call from my friend Ian in Stirling at about 3:40PM "He was already laughing when I answered the phone, but after about 25 minutes of the most vigorous and uncontrollable hilarity, everything suddenly went very quiet." Moving tributes are already being placed along the Scotland-England border with many mourners opting to leave a simple bag of chips or a deep fried bunch of flowers. |
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Right now english national football deserves to be the laughing stock it really does never in my life have i seen a bigger bunch of passionless going through the motions waste of space before. Capello and his stubborness need a p45 and so do many of those players who seriously looked like they had better things to do then be on the pitch. Maybe it is time to incentivise them with their clubs saying "get picked for national squad and play crap and your wage gets chopped when you get home" watch how fast they get some passion. Sorry day for english football and an even sorrier day to be a supporter of it i am totally embarassed right now to say i support england and mug that i am will continue too but right now i don't have to like it.
Fair play to germany they weren't brilliant but they played well and deserved the win disallowed goal or not they won that match and the right team did win it. |
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Right time to back Ghana :)
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Re the wages - perhaps they should be 'chopped' to the same level as the average supporter, whether for club or country - 20K per year, rather than 50k per week might be a 'wake up' for them, it would certainly test their commitment .. |
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I'm convinced the people who go on about wages haven't got a clue about football.
Do you think the Germany squad play for peanuts? The game is a professional sport overseas too, you know. |
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I've got a ticket stub for Stamford Bridge that cost £5.25 - I stood on the grassy bank that was then the shed & watched Peter Osgood play against Grimsby Town - I'd be surprised if, even he, earned that much more than my yearly wage per week, then.... |
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I'm probably the only person in the whole world, with the exception of Capello that thought we did ok, the main problem was the bad linesman decision, we saw in the Mexico match how bad decisions like that really mess a team up, players try to 'get back' for the mistake and in turn lose concentration and tried too hard to score. It's no co-incidence that Germany scored two goals on the counter-attack, John Terry being at the other end of the pitch during one of them. Our defence behaved completely differently to all other games after that decision, it had been fine up until today and I don't remember any criticism of the defence during qualifiers or indeed the first three games. The problems were in mid-field and attack especially with do-nothing-Rooney being continually picked. If Capello did anything wrong it was sticking with players who continually prove their worthlessness in international matches. Capello or any future manager probably needs to start looking outside the Premiership or at least to lower-profile players that can play without having elite foreign players backing them up instead of being lazy and just selecting well known 'names'.
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I personally don't think it is anything to do with Salaries, but I will agree they are all massively over paid.
I think the problem with England over the course of the tournament was bad moral among the players. Bad management decisions, I just couldn't believe what or where John Terry's heart was during some of those games, because it wasn't in the Germany game. Like the commentators were saying during the game, these players, Rooney, Gerrard, Lampard and Terry, they are all Premier league players, they have all the talent necessary, you pick a top Premier league team to be the 'England' team, there wouldn't have been an issue with any World cup team IMO. |
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End of the day the average man takes a while to save up to be able to afford a tournament like this and shows passion when he is there supporting the team, The likes of Rooney and Gerrard don't give a hoot about the cost and even if they did have to pay its pocket money to them, the only player yesterday with any passion was James and he can hold his head up high knowing he saved us from a bigger defeat. |
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Apparently Oxo have come out with a new cube in honour of the England team. It's on a white background with a red cross on it and of course, it's called......
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Most things have allready been said so i won`t go over old ground :D
The only thing i don`t think has been mentioned is that this was not a very good German team we where playing. They didn`t play all that well either yet still managed to score four times :confused: If you took the England teams players at club level and said to the managers of said players "would you swap him for the opposite German player" maybe 2 or 3 would go for the German player. Argentina will devour the Germans in the quarters, they have pace up front which they are able to use effectively, in other words the forwards can control/hold on to/use the ball and the Germans defence is not much better than ours. Spain is the only hope for a European country in this world cup with France, Italy and England allready out it seems that European football at International level has really dropped to a new low. Maybe the influx of South American/African players into all the major European leagues is finally starting to bite... I haven`t a clue what the answer is, maybe there isn`t one :erm: |
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I think the thing that will wind a lot of people up is when pictures of England team players "relaxing on holiday" start appearing in the press in a few days.
They earn enough money in their full time jobs, their club managers will be delighted they have been knocked out and any negative feelings from fans will be forgotten when they pull on their club jerseys. |
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Also, As a Arsenal fan, Spurs will miss him :D (Also he has a habit of leaving clubs just before everything goes tits up!). Seriously though his teams play proper, attacking, football that is a joy to watch and it would be nice to see England to be fun to watch. Although I worry he will play favourites and we'll see Defoe, Crouch and Cole in the team all the time. Defoe fair enough but the other loy I don't rate as first team English players. |
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Meanwhile, back at the World Cup: Holland and Brazil to meet in Friday's quarter final. Should be a good game :erm:
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Q: What's the difference between a PG Tips monkey and an English footballer?
A: A PG Tips monkey has been seen holding a cup. --------------------------------- Robert Green's new nickname is The Cat. Every time the ball comes near him his defenders have kittens. Borrowed from elsewhere so enjoy.;) |
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Already posted (with insert) in the funny pictures thread :D
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I enjoy the pundit acting miffed when they state "Yet again England go out to one of the big teams!?" as if the answer for this was not staring them in the face when they ask the question.
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Fifa apologised for the team's costly "non goal" and vowed to reopen the file on video technology.
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Shame it's been forced on Fifa and has prospectively spoiled a good tournament..
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Interestingly, the IFAB which needs to approve rule changes consists of 4 members of FIFA, and one member each from the English, Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish Football association. Decisions need at least six votes in favour, so Fifa have a veto, but there is a big British influence on the decisions. I wonder how the British Football Associations voted on Goal-line Technology.
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Spain v Portugal who do you think will perform the best dive ?
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Well, he'll be packing his hairdryer tomorrow :)
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If he stays he's found some special training for the shot-shy English strikers to see if they can at least hit something.
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Hi, I'm new here so be nice :)
I need some help with the TV coverage of the World Cup. I found a listing on the BBC website. The problem is some matches (below) are listed with the same time and channel. Now even I know enough about football to know they only show one match at a time. Please can somebody tell me where and when these matches were actually shown? (I heard a rumour of ITV4 being used???). Also were they all shown in HD? Quote:
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Hmm, that's a mistake, BBC showing both matches would actually be BBC1 for one match and the other match on Red button (or BBC3), the same with ITV which uses ITV4 to show the 2nd match
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There may be a reason why Rooney played with such poor concentration - rumours are rife in Merseyside that a story about him is going to break in sunday's News Of The World that could see his marriage over.
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The youngsters (Hart, Lennon, Huddlestone, Young/A. Johnson, Agbonlahor) definitely need to come through and have a team built around them with seasoned professionals (J. Cole, Rooney, Defoe). It needs a fresh approach with the right players being used in the right positions. And no flaming Heskey. |
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Well as it stands in the Brazil, Holland match, my dads mate is on course to win £2,000 :D
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