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Earl of Bronze 05-05-2010 20:13
Re: The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 4
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35014717)
What I want to know why our vote tomorrow isn't private.

You look when you go and get your ballot paper tomorrow, they will take it out of a "cheque book" type book and when you state your name, they will write a number on the stub.

On both the stub and ballot paper are punched holes unique to that paper/stub.
I'd presume that it's to minimise electoral fraud....

Chris 05-05-2010 20:16
Re: The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 4
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hiroki (Post 35014510)
I don't really need to give a reason
No, you don't ... but this is a discussion forum. The clue's in the title. ;)

Hom3r 05-05-2010 20:24
Re: The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 4
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35014743)
Are you kidding? The trade off in the USA is that you get campaigning for an entire year before the election. Do you really want that?

True, but don't they have a sort of pre election, to see which of each parties canditates you wan't to run for president?

Chris 05-05-2010 20:26
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They have primaries, yes, and they serve to extend the whole bandwagon, but the campaigning is underway long before that.

Xaccers 05-05-2010 20:52
Re: The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 4
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35014717)
What I want to know why our vote tomorrow isn't private.

You look when you go and get your ballot paper tomorrow, they will take it out of a "cheque book" type book and when you state your name, they will write a number on the stub.

On both the stub and ballot paper are punched holes unique to that paper/stub.
Not here it doesn't.
They tick your name off the address list and hand you the ballot papers.

Damien 05-05-2010 20:55
Re: The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 4
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35014675)
It has probably taken this long to get GB to a point he could look and sound sincere thats why we havn't seen it from the begining. Also i never said labour and the lib dems were close i said they had both had spells of cosying up to each other prepping the ground for a coalition
Well maybe although it's mostly Labour buttering up the Lib Dems.

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I don't see a hung parliament as a best of both worlds more a worst of both worlds where bargaining is more important to maintain the coalition then actually getting doen what needs to be done.
Action that needs to done in whose mind? Again, if the share of the vote is too low then any government cannot really claim much of a mandate. It's bad enough Labour got a majority with 38% of the vote last time. Other countries have successfully have collation governments, it tends to provide some balance to a single party ruling the shop passing whatever they want.

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I like the general idea of a the big society in which we all play our part in our communitys and surely after all these years of people complaining about the growth of government and it's interference in our daily lives we should all be supporting that sort of idea.
I don't really understand it. You can get involved with your community, via charity or other schemes. I don't have time to help run a school, I elect people to manage the education system and my taxes go to pay professionals to do the job for me. People don't want to set up their own schools, manage their local NHS trust, they want good schools and good hospitals. That's better achieved with adequate funding and leaving it free of political interference than with gimmicks.

Jimmy-J 05-05-2010 21:10
Re: The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 4
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35014646)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BA2J...ture=topvideos

Where did he pull that from!? He needed to be like this from the start of the campaign.
That speech was a desperate last chance at getting votes, I wonder if he actually wrote it?

Damien 05-05-2010 21:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Product 13 (Post 35014780)
That speech was a desperate last chance at getting votes, I wonder if he actually wrote it?
Probably not but I felt he had conviction when he said that. Something few have managed in this campaign, apart from maybe Cameron getting annoyed in the debate.

Xaccers 05-05-2010 21:36
Re: The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 4
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35014773)
I don't really understand it. You can get involved with your community, via charity or other schemes. I don't have time to help run a school, I elect people to manage the education system and my taxes go to pay professionals to do the job for me. People don't want to set up their own schools, manage their local NHS trust, they want good schools and good hospitals. That's better achieved with adequate funding and leaving it free of political interference than with gimmicks.
It's not either/or Damien, I'm suprised you hadn't realised that.
They're not saying local people must run schools and hospitals, they're saying you can if you want to.
You say you want schools and hospitals free of political interference, yet are misunderstanding the policy from the one party which is actually offering you that.

Hugh 05-05-2010 21:50
Re: The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 4
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikegreen (Post 35014713)
I'm voting for the guy that managed to keep his suit jacket on.

Cameron looks a real wilf in his rolled up cheap cream shirt. Does he think rolling up his sleeves makes him appeal to the both the common man (of course they don't wear suits, just shirts) and the toff (the kind of look sported at the weekend, kinda casual like).

At least Brown looks sharp, dress wise.

As for Clegg, the least said the better innit...
Who cares about policies, as long as they are in a suit.....:rolleyes: - I can understand your viewpoint, though, as the New Communist Party likes people in suits; you know, Kim Jong-Il, Mao Tse-Tung, etc....

btw, your red-tinted glasses need adjusting - GB looking sharp must be an oxymoron..... :D As the BBC said in 2007
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When Chancellor Gordon Brown and his charismatic boss Tony Blair arrived in Downing Street in 1997, the contrast between them was marked.

There was Blair, a married father-of-three, jovial, smiley, well groomed - and bursting with enthusiasm. Then there was his older, single pal Brown - portrayed as a serious, brooding Scotsman, with his less orderly hair, crumpled suits and gnawed fingernails
And further down the article, it states
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This seemed to be part of a conscious effort to present a lighter, more approachable image - which has also seen his traditional dark suits, white shirts and red ties make way for a more casual look with chinos, open neck shirts and the occasional pink or purple tie.
;)

Damien 05-05-2010 22:03
Re: The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 4
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xaccers (Post 35014803)
It's not either/or Damien, I'm suprised you hadn't realised that.
They're not saying local people must run schools and hospitals, they're saying you can if you want to.
You say you want schools and hospitals free of political interference, yet are misunderstanding the policy from the one party which is actually offering you that.
The last line was a reference that every government wants to change the education system in some way, which cannot be helpful.

I don't understand their schools policy though. Who will pay for the school? Are the people running the school checked to ensure they are qualified too? Can you set up a school in an area which already has enough schools?

Hugh 05-05-2010 22:10
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Latest news on the success story that is the BNP
Quote:
The British National Party has been plunged into further internal turmoil after the head of its online operation resigned and took the website down with him.
Simon Bennett, 41, directed BNP traffic to his personal website, which contained a lengthy diatribe against Nick Griffin, the leader of the far-right party, and other senior figures.
A day before the general election, Mr Bennett painted a picture of an amateur operation and an organisation which he claimed wasted membership fees and donations.
He accused Mr Griffin and James Dowson, the BNP’s election fundraiser, of being “pathetic, desperate and incompetent” and said it had been a “nightmare” to work with them.


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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35014817)
The last line was a reference that every government wants to change the education system in some way, which cannot be helpful.

I don't understand their schools policy though. Who will pay for the school? Are the people running the school checked to ensure they are qualified too? Can you set up a school in an area which already has enough schools?
Damien, you may find this Times story from today answers some of your questions
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The first thing to understand is that Cameron’s policy is not quite new. The Education Act 2006 states that if a new school is needed, the local council should hold an open competition. And parents can band together, set themselves up as an educational trust and apply.

A couple — nothing like the thousands the Tories will encourage — have done so.

The first “parent-promoted” school, a secondary, opened in South London a few months ago. The first parent-promoted primary will open in Bolnore, West Sussex, this autumn. Both were unopposed. But Coopers Edge primary in Gloucester, now a patch of dug earth, will be the first school that parents have won control of in a fierce competition. They won against an established school that wanted to expand its empire — exactly the kind of experts you’d expect to be in charge.

Tezcatlipoca 05-05-2010 22:12
Re: The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 4
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 35014823)
Latest news on the success story that is the BNP
That's just priceless! :D

Ignitionnet 05-05-2010 22:42
Re: The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 4
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikegreen (Post 35013162)
You are quick to attempt to shoot down other people on this forum with your snobbish ... posts...
I was checking and found that I live right on the border between the 19th and 5th wealthiest constituencies in the UK and have an income to more than match.

I'll shut up trying to defend myself from accusations of snobbery - you may well have a point Mr Green, you may well have a point :(

Damien 05-05-2010 22:44
Re: The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 4
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 35014823)
Latest news on the success story that is the BNP
They really are useless aren't they! :D


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Damien, you may find this Times story from today answers some of your questions
Cheers. Guess I was wrong on that front then! :dunce:

Ignitionnet 05-05-2010 22:45
Re: The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 4
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 35014823)
Latest news on the success story that is the BNP
Zero sympathy. While they have the occasional good point they have totally the wrong way of wanting to deal with it, totally OTT, and for my money are counter-productive.

BTW would anyone be interested in seeing this?

The BNP made me think of another divisive group of extremists trying to gain power, the IFE.

Xaccers 05-05-2010 22:59
Re: The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 4
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 35014823)
Latest news on the success story that is the BNP
Quote:
His campaign woes increased this afternoon when he was pelted with tomatoes
Don't suppose they left them in the tin? :D

frogstamper 05-05-2010 23:05
Re: The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 4
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Masque (Post 35014698)
The apathy at election time in this country is astounding especially when you see such low turnouts, we should do as many other countries do and adopt a policy of fining people who do not vote.

I ensure that my vote is cast by registering for a postal vote and my vote was sent back a week ago.
Agreed, voting in a democracy should be a requirement as well a right.

LondonRoad 05-05-2010 23:23
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I'm kind of hoping for a hung parliament. I've heard the arguments for and against for years but I'm a long time supporter of electoral reform and believe a hung parliament could lead to the nation examining the carp system we have.

I've lived through massive tory majorities and massive labour majorities and I think a bit of consensus politics would be better for the vast majority of us. It might actually wake many of us up from the lethargic attitude we have to the general election.

I'll be voting Liberal in a safe Labour seat so it's not going to count for much. It's no wonder so many people don't bother voting at all. That really is a great shame. :(

punky 05-05-2010 23:41
Re: The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 4
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 35014823)
Latest news on the success story that is the BNP
Not only that, there was a bit of... err... friction between Bob Bailey and some of the local constituents today.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politi...nd/8663681.stm

Say what you like about the BNP but at least they aren't afraid to get stuck in! :shocked:

MrGiles2 05-05-2010 23:52
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The way the opinion polls are going, its looking like a Hung Parliament. BUT, if the conservatives achieve a small majority, they will govern with support from the Ulster Unionists and perhaps the Lib-Dems. And the funny thing is, they may only need to achieve 38% of the vote, (not the number of seats) to win the election.

Isnt terribly democratic, is it?

budwieser 05-05-2010 23:53
Re: The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 4
 
If someone spat in my face i`d kick the crap out of them, its a disgusting thing to do.:mad:

nomadking 06-05-2010 00:00
Re: The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 4
 
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Originally Posted by MrGiles2 (Post 35014924)
The way the opinion polls are going, its looking like a Hung Parliament. BUT, if the conservatives achieve a small majority, they will govern with support from the Ulster Unionists and perhaps the Lib-Dems. And the funny thing is, they may only need to achieve 38% of the vote, (not the number of seats) to win the election.

Isnt terribly democratic, is it?
So the Lib-Dems should rule with even less?The Lib-Dems might not be as prepared to ally with Labour this time around, but in future I'm sure that they would only join up with Labour giving a permanent Labour government.

How did the last Liberal-Labour 'coalition' work out?

Niles Crane 06-05-2010 00:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by budwieser (Post 35014925)
If someone spat in my face i`d kick the crap out of them, its a disgusting thing to do.:mad:
That's nice, but as you're not a prospective member of parliament that's irrelevant.

Responding to being spat at by getting into a gang fight with constituents in the middle of a street (on camera while you're out campaigning no less) isn't acceptable to any normal, sensible party or voter. But as the BNP and their support are full of these type of people, i'm sure this behaviour isn't a big deal. In fact, i expect plenty are enjoying watching that video at this very moment and it'll be used as a positive - they've made a habit out of fighting with Asians after all.

Tuftus 06-05-2010 00:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Niles Crane (Post 35014931)
getting into a gang fight with constituents in the middle of a street (on camera while you're out campaigning no less) isn't acceptable to any normal, sensible party or voter.
I wonder what John Prescott would say about it, OK his battle was not with a gang but hey... ;)

SB_07 06-05-2010 00:30
Re: The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 4
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by frogstamper (Post 35014875)
Agreed, voting in a democracy should be a requirement as well a right.
This is a democracy? Sure doesn't feel like it.

Charlie_Bubble 06-05-2010 00:33
Re: The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 4
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35014927)
So the Lib-Dems should rule with even less?The Lib-Dems might not be as prepared to ally with Labour this time around, but in future I'm sure that they would only join up with Labour giving a permanent Labour government.

How did the last Liberal-Labour 'coalition' work out?
Feb 74 until October 74.

Tuftus 06-05-2010 00:40
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Anyways.... just caught the end of newsnight and the papers are mostly predicting Cameron by the looks of it.

What do you think with only 18 hours-ish until the polling stations close?

punky 06-05-2010 00:44
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Its going to be a hung parliament with Cameron in the lead. I'm dreaming that when push comes to shove people will vote Tory to get them over the line but I just can't see it happening.

Tezcatlipoca 06-05-2010 01:03
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The Sun's frontpage...

http://yfrog.com/jncm8hj


The parodies are already spreading...

http://liberalconspiracy.org/2010/05...or-front-page/

http://twitpic.com/1lcxad

etc.



The Mirror...

http://yfrog.com/1rry3fj

nomadking 06-05-2010 01:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie_Bubble (Post 35014941)
Feb 74 until October 74.
I put coalition in quotes as I was actually referring to the Lib-Lab pact which kept Labour in power.

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In March 1977 the Labour Government with no overall majority faced a motion of no confidence, in order to remain in office Prime Minister Jim Callaghan approached the Liberal Party under the leadership of David Steel. An agreement was negotiated under the terms of which the Labour Party accepted a limited number of Liberal Party policy proposals and in exchange the Liberal Party agreed to vote with the government in any subsequent motion of no confidence. While this 'pact' was the only official bi-party agreement since the second world war it fell far short of a coalition. The Lib-Lab Pact concluded by mutual consent in July 1978.

SB_07 06-05-2010 01:08
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Johann Hari: If you're looking for class war, just read Cameron's policies
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion...s-1939666.html

Jimmy-J 06-05-2010 01:44
Re: The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 4
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuftus (Post 35014943)
Anyways.... just caught the end of newsnight and the papers are mostly predicting Cameron by the looks of it.

What do you think with only 18 hours-ish until the polling stations close?
I'd hazard a guess that It's going to be a really close call between Conservative and Labour with the LibDems staggering into third place, and the BNP fourth.
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A Conservative activist in Peterborough has been arrested after alleged incidents of postal voting fraud.
The man, who is believed to be a low-ranking member of the Conservative branch in Peterborough, was arrested and has been released on police bail.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politi...nd/8662814.stm


more allegations of election fraud claims...

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Several police forces across England are probing allegations of electoral fraud.
The investigations include both alleged fraudulent postal voting and false registration of voters' addresses.

Hiroki 06-05-2010 01:49
Re: The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 4
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35014521)
Maybe just a few bullet points? Local or national issues? Public services? Economy? Foreign policy? Defence?

Of course you don't have to give reasons but given you apparently saw the candidates, thought everything through and what you heard solidified your view that voting Labour was the best idea you must have some vague idea why?

As it is right or wrong it just comes across that you are living up to my tongue in cheek post regarding voting for a vomit covered turd so long as it has the right rosette which is of course your right but please do correct me. Doesn't need debating skills to simply list what concerns you that you think Labour do better, and I couldn't care less really how you vote or what you say it's quite obvious where Newcastle was going to go anyways and it is your vote to use how you please. Just a bit of a shame if you're using something so important so apparently lightly :(
Sorry I just don't know what to say really....but I will try :dozey:

When I went to the meeting and saw the local candidates I really didn't believe in the Conservative one had to say, he spoke out a lot about regeneration/growth and about a trying to change our local town from a "ghost town" and into a thriving area (which it used to be) but it just seemed like he was just going through the motions and when he was questioned about policing he just seemed to deter the question to another path which annoyed me.

The Lib Dem bloke used to work for the council and well is a tit with no ideas of his own and is too young for the job (even younger than me) so he was a no-no.

And the Labour man spoke about the things they had actually done and are doing for the community. He spoke about reducing crime and attracting business and I just believe in him more.

On a national scale:-

Labour - I believe in them more and I believe the economy will get better under them.

Conservatives - Have some good idea's but I think they are lying through their back teeth and if they get in power will ruin the country. Dodgy Dave is just a **** and if they had a better leader i'd think about it.

Lib Dems - Live in a world of their own.

I hope I have at least explained erm some reasons why I will vote Labour and though I have many more reasons I just can't think of them at this moment.

SB_07 06-05-2010 02:18
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Front page of the sun; http://yfrog.com/jncm8hj

=/

Jimmy-J 06-05-2010 04:41
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Bragg Vs Barnbrook in Barking & Dagenham

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=SMA3-vVEXL4

Sirius 06-05-2010 07:44
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Well i will be off to vote in a short while as i go to work. I know who i will be voting for .

I would not be able to live with myself if i voted for the present shower of excreta that is labour when you consider the mess they have got us into and to be honest they will just continue to do the same. The way they treated the Gurkha's and the military was also a deciding factor so there out of the frame.

The libs sealed there fate with me over defence pure and simple, They cannot be trusted with the defence of this country its as simple as that , Might vote for them when they grow up a bit more.

So its conservative all the way. :tu:

papa smurf 06-05-2010 08:19
Re: The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 4
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35014993)
Well i will be off to vote in a short while as i go to work. I know who i will be voting for .

I would not be able to live with myself if i voted for the present shower of excreta that is labour when you consider the mess they have got us into and to be honest they will just continue to do the same. The way they treated the Gurkha's and the military was also a deciding factor so there out of the frame.

The libs sealed there fate with me over defence pure and simple, They cannot be trusted with the defence of this country its as simple as that , Might vote for them when they grow up a bit more.

So its conservative all the way. :tu:
what he said :tu:

Chris 06-05-2010 09:17
Re: The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 4
 
OK, here we go ... election time is upon us at last. Please move on to the Cable Forum Exit Poll Thread to continue discussion and indicate how you actually voted today:

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/20...orum-exit.html


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