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Ok, that makes a bit more sense, disallow them in areas where security is an issue, such as a hospital, or an airport, but not just strolling down the street right?

As for France, they're looking at banning them from state owned buildings, not private offices, or the street.

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I give up.

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Win win....

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?? Who's won what ??

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I see your on top form tonight Gary,::rolleyes: having said that I think the only people who are in danger of committing suicide are those of us trying to decipher your increasingly inane posts.

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I find this a lot on the trains into Victoria and Waterloo every morning. No, not people moving away from me, but people who have body odour issues. And it might come as a suprise to you Arthur, but none of them are wearing Burkhas... Now what was the point of your post?

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In fairness, *any* aroma can be bad. I was standing next to a young blonde girl on the train, and the smell of her perfume almost caused to to choke. The problem was she had simply put too much on.

Body odour is (an unfortunate) part of travel on public transport. Everyone smells at some point. Even if you smother yourself in deodorant (which can be as offensive as BO), you may get to a point where you get so sweaty that your deodorant gives up. I've been at that point myself a few times..

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Thats the point where I tend to have a shower, I thought everyone did :p: but yes, anyone can smell, burkha or not. My feet being a prime example :o:

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Not subtle enough to want to bite her neck :)

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That's why I hate perfume!
I can't smell it, but unfortunately I can taste it, and it can really spoil the moment.

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Good

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Belgian lawmakers pass burka ban

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8652861.stm

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Let's hope they don't retaliate.

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From that link In what way - banning hankies on heads?

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I meant the Muslims.

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Retaliate how?

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[QUOTE=foreverwar;35010690]From that link QUOTE]


seems a tad extreme for 30 people don't you think

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I don't know. have a riot, stop traffic, detonate a bomb?

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I thought you were describing the EDL, except for the last one...

Anyway, if the Muslims do something, surely the Christians can do something back?

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depends how many are sharing each one of them 30 burqas :)

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Such as?

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[QUOTE=Gary L;35010716]I don't know - can the Christians agree on anything?

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With 30 of them? Thats not a riot, its a disorderly gathering. :)

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No?

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[QUOTE=Gary L;35010730]yes we can !

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I'm sure they'll have supporters to increase the numbers :)

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[QUOTE=martyh;35010732]LOL what's going on with the quoting?

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Good old Gary - answering a question with a question, therefore not answering....

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I did answer. it was either a yes or a no answer (besides "what are you going on about with Christians?") and I saved time by putting a ? on the end.

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But if you knew any of the basic rules of the English Language, you would realise putting a question mark on the end of a sentence changes it, strangely enough, into a question, thus also making it not an answer.

I have noticed before that you have difficulties making your postings understood due to the often garbled and confused structure of the sentences and punctuation you use - are you from the UK?

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LOL my answer was no, why?
think of it as if you were to ask me if I wanted to go to bed. I'd say no, why?
then carry that thought to you asking me "can the Christians agree on anything?" and I say "no, why?"

it's not such a drama after all, is it? ;)

Yes.

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I see Gary has trapped you back into this thread..So come with me and walk away.You know you want to so here's my hand and away we go..;)

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Strange example for a grown man to use, from someone who hides their age as well as their occupation this remark points towards.:D

http://news.pinkpaper.com/uploads/Dennis-menace.jpg

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Fantastic!!

Not only have the Belgians given us half decent chocolate but they've excelled themselves by protecting us from terrorism by proposing that those who break the law (by wearing a full faced veil) could face a fine of 15-25 euros (£13-£27) or a seven-day jail sentence.

The prospect of a £27.00 fine or a seven day jail sentence - levied in Belgium - will undoubtedly make any veil wearing muslim think twice about being the first ever, hitherto unproven veil wearing female muslim terrorist to be apprehended on uk soil whilst planning, pre-empting or having carried out a terrorist attack.


Reuters are reporting that being a potential hitherto unidentified "veil wearing potential (see hypothetical) female muslim terrorist" is considerably less risk averse than not being a "veil wearing potential (see: hypothetical) female muslim terrorist. They even have the dead reporters to prove it.

In the style of a certain poster.....

loL. will I sleep better in my bunk bed 2night, yes? or is it know? lol m8, cu l8r mum @ th foxy bingo!!

Etc, etc ad nauseum.......

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:LOL:

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:) Thank you for you kind words and advice - much appreciated.

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Can you imagine what would have happened to Gordon Brown if he had left his microphone on after speaking to Gary??!!!

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:LOL:

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I think I found a picture after that meeting.:D

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Keep the political stuff out of this thread please, and remember that insulting other members is against the T&C's

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I have a problem with ruling. Whilst i agree that in security sensitive areas it is necessary to remove face covering i don't see why it can't be worn in public areas .In my opinion all that will happen is the women whose husbands insist on them wearing a bhurka will not be allowed out and will further erode the rights of these women ,so i think it's a step to far

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Men to face £13,000 fine and jail for forcing women to wear burkas if new French law is passed

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...#ixzz0mqiqaLio

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that's more like it ,but how enforcable would it be ?

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well you get a 50 quid fine for dropping a tab end or a scrap of paper in labours UK -so i would say its just waiting for the burkha police to be set up ;)

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yes, but how do they prove that the husband forced her to wear it ,after all given that husband and wife are ...for want of a better phrase ..extremely religious she will not (probably) turn round to the police and say "he made me wear it"

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we can get di gene hunt to beat a confession out of her ;)

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Yeah, watch out for the "Burkha Bandits".

An armed gang of geezers that masquerade as innocent muslims but are in fact highly dangerous career criminals.

You have been warned...

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http://www.google.co.uk/#q=burka+ban...911715a928b061


tadaaaaa;)

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As a motorcyclist I have to remove my helmet, I'm not a criminal but appreciate that common sense dictates I do so for cctv reasons.

I would expect all members of society to be treated equal, religion should be no excuse for exclusion.

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'I have to keep her indoors now': Muslim husband's shocking response as wife is first to be fined £430 for wearing a burka

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...#ixzz0mzWZ4G3l

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as i said in an earlier post only the women will suffer .

so either the law backs off a bit or the religion does ...stalemate

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its the husband not the religion

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To be fair, he could have been trying to be humorous.

The woman was Tunisian and she would have been in trouble even in Tunisia(or Turkey) entering Government buildings, schools or universities.

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well the husband sees it as his religion ... but i know what you mean

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What a pathetic excuse for a man this wimp is, the police should now nick him for kidnap or hostage taking, society would not put up with his paranoid behavior in any other circumstances save in the name of religion which in this case he has perverted out of recognition.
I really cannot understand how a modern liberal democracy can turn a blind eye to what in my opinion is little more than enslavement.:mad:
Just as an end note its good to hear a local iman coming out in support of the banning of face veils, "We are for the freedom of women and against face veils of any kind, and Italian laws must be respected".
Why on earth our politicians can't grow a set and come out against this travesty is beyond me.

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Your comment about Turkey is misinformed - whilst 99% of the population is Muslim, it is a secular democracy.

In fact

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This where I confirmed the info from prior to posting, although I have seen other references to it.
Link

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My apologies - I misinterpreted your post to mean that because she was a woman, she would not be allowed in those buildings in Tunisia and Turkey.

<my bad>

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Can someone confirm what the husband is saying that ' our religion ' is strict on this, that women MUST cover there face.

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It's actually a cultural interpretation of the principle of modesty - nowhere in the Koran does it actually state that a veil must be worn.

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Its just more misogynistic dogma from the stone age wahabism sect.:td:

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ban it of course, if i walked into a bank covering my face (with a balaclava) i would expect to be shot dead by armed police within 5 minutes.

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I'd suggest changing banks in that case. They sound like a right nasty lot.

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lol you know what i mean

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yeah sounds like my bank ..and i only wanted my wages out :(

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Not sure I do. I mean if you went in there with a sawn-off shooter then yeah I can imagine you'd end up staring down the business end of an armed copper's handgun but just for covering your face? No chance.

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ok how about i walk into a airport with my suitcase concealing my identity ? armed response much ?

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Why would you be concealing your identity with your suitcase? And how would that work? Wearing it like a hat? Now you're completely confusing me.

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......


concealing my identity e.g burka or balaclava with a suitcase in my possession.

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wouldn't that make him/her a head case -:D

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Ah ok now I think I get what you're saying.

By the way, here's an appeal to all BNP supporters/anti-Muslimists/racists/send-'em-back-to-where-they-came-from types, please can you learn punctuation and where necessary, spelling too.

Anyway back to the point in hand - wearing a balaclava at an airport will get you shot? Is that what you're saying?

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Probably not. You wouldn't get on your flight but I doubt the armed response cops would bother putting down their coffee.

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depends ..if it's a pink one with little frilly flowers then i should hope so :D

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Grow up Russ :)

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OK then you're one of the exceptions but most of them make it hard for the rest of us to understand exactly what it is they're trying to say.

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I resent that :erm:

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Any guinea pigs want to give it a 'shot' :erm:

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Irony at its very best.:D

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Is the problem really the Burqa or is it something else ?

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It's the something else that has some of us questioning the reasoning behind some of the complete bans now in operation in other countries and quite what a complete ban might actually achieve in reality here in Britain..

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Exaaaaaaactly Maggy!

I think that many people don't like the idea of a multi cultural society ... or like myself, don't like the idea of it being 'by design'.

Personally I'm fine with the Burqa, Hijab etc ... living in Leicester, I get to see plenty of them everyday. But that's me.

As long as people who don't want a multi-cultural society feel stigmatized I think inter-communal tensions are only going to get worse. I don't like zealous political correctness that suggests we have to be either one or the other. We can have both a traditional english culture and a progressive pluralised culture in parralel.

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By design?

I don't think so..the way immigration has occurred over the past 70 years has been so ad hoc I really cannot see any design or even any planning as such.If there had been I'm pretty sure race relations would be so much better than they actually are.

Anyway I think it is the unplanned immigration that has caused the most worry and fear and certainly owes nothing to design.The only design involved will be that of the human traffikers in using desperate human beings as a product.

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I did say over 70 years. As to the story I'd point out it was published by what is known as the Torygraph.;)

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You'd rather believe a Labour minister? :rofl:

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No but neither do I blindly believe everything printed in the Tory press especially during an election year.;)


Anyway enough of the political discussion as this is the wrong thread..For now.:tu:

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It should be banned, like the rest of Religion. No place for it in the educated modern society. Anyone who believes anything written a thousand years ago by a man in a mud hut is a blithering idiot.

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They still have a right to believe and who are you to decide to ban all religion?

What is it with my fellow atheists? Some of you are like Aesop's Dog in a Manger.You know, the dog that won't let the horse,cows,sheep in the barn access to the hay EVEN though he can't eat hay himself..

Just because you don't believe it is no excuse to ridicule and persecute those that do.:rolleyes:

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I am an atheist but I only believe that they must show their faces in areas where security requires it such as banks, petrol stations and airports or anywhere else that requires your face to be uncovered for security.

Security must come first regardless of peopoles beliefs or customs.

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I wasn't ranting particularly about Burkhas just the supposition that all religions should be banned. ;)

I'll go with the idea that Burkha wearers reveal themself to a female security guard but not a complete ban in all public places.I've said so before.

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I knew that you were not ranting and I know that you think on similar lines to myself with regards to this issue.;)

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Get a room, you two....;)

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Nice, tolerant post there :erm: Someone else believed that. He commanded his army to annex Poland a few years back.

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Just common sense. It had its day in the middle ages, now we've reached a level where we (the more educated of us) know it's a load of rubbish, we should let it go to drift into obscurity. 72 virgins, talking snakes, it's all a load of old cods whallop, fairy tales made up centuries ago to explain the Earth and why things are. We'd be better off without it.

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This is exactly what I believe, and how I see it. :tu:

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I ask again, why do you have to be Aesop's Dog in a Manger?Who are you to decide these things.
Claiming the higher ground by reason of being more educated isn't going to work either.There are many,many highly educated people such as say physicists,doctors,University lecturers,philosophers,psychiatrists who believe in a religion.

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'Deciding'? I thought it was just his opinion he was stating.

Just like if you have an opinion about something like 'the burkha should be banned completely' I don't take that as it has to happen. I take it that it's just what you think should happen.

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Just a figure of speech..you do know what those are don't you?:rolleyes:

Funny how you can answer my questions to other people but can't answer any that are directed to you...

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I guess you dont celebrate Christmas or Easter then :p:

Gary its nice to see you actually post with a proper point of view rather than skipping around the subject with odd comments and questioning questions :D

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Yes, but for you to say "Who are you to decide these things." isn't the same as "Who are you to have an opinion on these things"

I wasn't answering a question as such. I was questioning a figure of speech.

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Yes, but not for the 'right' reasons. it's still Christmas whether it's for the right or for the wrong :)

It's quite common :)

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just to point out that NOT believing in religion is as heinous in some cultures as believing seems to be to some members in this forum . i am not religious ,but i will defend anybody's right to have a faith ,as i would expect them to defend my right NOT to have one

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/b...ts/8678243.stm

This is the kind of thing I was concerned about many pages back in this thread. People using them as a disguise to commit crime.

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Not a fan of Pythagoras? Archimedes?

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Not to mention that many of the rules, laws and conventions in maths and science we use today are down to ancient Romans and Greeks.