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What does that article say? I can't view the News of the Screws, OpenDNS categorizes it as 'Adult Themes'. :D

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Oh I know she's not supposed to, but she did. I wonder, why she felt the need to suddenly express her political opinions now?

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Maybe the thought of having tea with the guy.

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As I read that - as they haven't "take[n] back their excess population which is currently colonising this country" no agreement not to interefere with arab or Muslim contries exists. That is assuming Palestine is a country, which its not. Its a state and not even one recognised by the UK. That is also assuming support of Israel counts as interfering.

Anyway the point should be made and judged in the context of which it was made by Griffin. That is that the BNP allegedly doesn't hate Jews as much as people believe they do.

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That's only because they hate Muslims more. Replacing one form of hatred with another. Also the reasons why people presume the BNP hate Jews is because they have form. I mean look up what their party leader, Nick Griffin, used to do.

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A slight edit of the programme.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QAvkFS_cgk

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That's funny :)

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ahem :)

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/34896627-post418.html

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Whoops..

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Bit of bad luck for them

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...ire-flops.html

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From b3ta..

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2009/10/10.jpg

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True. This is also how the BNP do have links with Sikhs because as I understand it there is a long deep-seated animosity between Sikhs and Muslims.

I don't think misrepresenting the BNP is going to do anyone any good. After the debarcle that was Question Time even staunch anti-BNP supporters are coming out saying how it was rigged against the BNP.

The BNP have done very well playing the martyr and slowly gaining support. Its high time they started receiving the same scrutiny as the main 3 parties get. That IMHO will be what stops the BNP.

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Punky - totally agree with you.

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Well. Alleged anti-BNP supporters. There is a trend of BNP supporters and sympathisers claiming to be non-BNP supporters and being 'turned' by Question Time. In fact the same stuff happened after the Guardian did a hidden reporter story, and the same when the BBC did it.

Whenever the BNP has negative press there is a groundswell of 'support' from 'independent' voters. I think at least some of this is existing BNP voters trying to get a boot in.

I honestly do not know what people are complaining about. Did they really want the BNP not to be questions on the aspects of racism rife in the party and Nick Griffin's own history? Instead being asked questions as if it were any other Question Time?

I didn't see people complaining at the editions of QT where the expenses scandel dominated the agenda. Labour got pretty much the same treatment as Nick Griffin did! Jeering, Booing, People shouting things out. Even though it was not limited to Labour.

Incidentally I do not see where they were misrepresented? All the quotes were from Nick Griffin's own mouth. He refused to deny any individual quote apart from "Hitler went a bit too far". It seems he was presented with his own words, his own past, and his own policies and think it was bullying to be confronted with them.

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From the diary in today's Herald:

A READER watching bloated BNP tumshie Nick Griffin on Question Time ponders: “For someone who dislikes foreign cultures so much, he sure looks like someone who has had more than his fair share of curries and kebabs.�

:D

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Courtesy of the Super Soaraway Sun.

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/a...in_595615a.jpg

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They should have just have run Question Time as normal. Instead it was focused solely on the BNP. All but one question was BNP related. Sure during the expenses scandal it was justified, but just because the BNP was on? Sure may be one question about should the BNP be on there but tearing apart their manifesto? Then there was Dimbleby. He didn't seem all that impartial allowing Straw to give off his scripted rant at the BNP. There there was the audience. I don't buy that it was overly multi-cultural but it was predominantly young and disn't seem to reflect the balance of politics or the guests on Question Time. And that's without going into the more paranoid/conspiracy theories like Nick Griffin being twice on the audience sheet and the fact all the quotes from other guests are solely from a mutlicultural perspective.

It accomplishes nothing. The BNP aren't held to the scrutiny that the other parties are. Furthermore the boosts you talk about is because being martyred like that often do it just reenforces what people believe - that they are unfairly persecuted. Even people like Alan Davies on This Week afterwards said the same thing.

The misrepresented part is Foreverwar's post which is why I pulled him up on it. It is counter-productive, or even dangerous to take quotes out of context in order to address them IMO. The BNP need to be confronted on a level platform. Not only is there a moral right but ultimately that's what will sway the large bulk of impressionable voters away from them.

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btw, I didn't pick you up on changing Gaza Strip to Palestine when you picked me up.....;)

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Running as Question Time as normal was unlikely given the panel. After all one of the major news stories of the week was that he was on the panel.

I think it's just as justified to have a QT focused on the BNP as the expenses scandal. It was basically an show themed on the rise of the far right in British politics. It was Nick Griffin's first exposure to this kind of platform, so to avoid confronting him on these issues would have been amiss. You think if Jack Straw had said half the things Griffin has said he wouldn't be treated the same?

As you say about the audience sheet, it's paranoid. The Daily Mail photoshopped it. Heres the real one.

They do not have the size or justification to be held to the same scrutiny. We focus on them in a way that is far disapproante to their eletorical success because of the vile and worrying nature of their party. UKIP and the Greens have move success nationally than the BNP. The election this year, the best for the BNP, still places them behind the greens and well behind UKIP.

It's difficult because we don't want them to go unchallenged but really they don't deserve special treatment.

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But the Gaza Strip is under the control of the Palestinian National Authority as is the whole of Palestine. The quote from Griffin was adressing governments and countries so I don't see the issue?

Certainly if i'm inaccurate its not deliberate.

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Exactly. Not special but equal and fair treatment. Something that a lot of anti-BNP people said they didn't get.

BNP being on Question Time shouldn't be news but it was. So maybe it justified 1 question but not almost every one. They wouldn't allow a QT to focus solely on the Tories and question their manifeso repetitively.

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I was half expecting them to go the opposite route and ask questions that the BNP had no policy on. That would have been entertaining to watch him sit there ignored.

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My original point was the fact that Nick Griffin was being

a) contradictory ("stand behind Israel's right to deal with terrorists" and "reach an accord with the Muslim world whereby they will agree to take back their excess population which is currently colonising this country, in exchange for an ironclad guarantee that Britain will never again interfere in the political affairs of the Middle East or try to dictate to any Arab or Muslim country as to what their internal government form should be") - if you believe that the Gaza Strip is part of the Palestinian National Authority, and the PNA is an Interim Administrative Body (a de facto government), and Hamas won a majority at the last PNA elections, surely he is interfering?

b) empty - at the time both statements above were made, the BNP had about 50 or so councillors out of 22000 (the Green Party have twice as many); not really in a position to make "accords". Also, reach an accord with the Muslim world - not even the "Muslim world", if such a thing exists, can do that; do we really believe that the diplomatic powers of the BNP can get Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, Indonesia, Pakistan, Libya, Somalia, Ethiopia, etc etc, to agree to something.

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Then people would have said it was unfair and a missed chance that they didn't ask Nick Griffin anything he could comment on and for making look stupid.

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But as I said - the accord to not interfere only comes into being after they "take back their excess population which is currently colonising this country"

That is a point but I thought it went without saying. However all parties that aren't in power produce manifestos as if they were. I wouldn't expect the BNP to be any different.

My point whoever was that the comment was really about Judaism not Islam. I believe you quoted it and addressed it out of context which should have been pointed out. I'm not being pedantic here and i'm not trying to attack you but it served as a pretty good example of what I have been saying continually through this thread.

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There was never going to be anyway to do that program that wouldn't have had the bnp shouting foul because thats what they went on there to do he wasn't interested in proper debate he never is because he can't and quickly goes out of his depth. Had they run it as normal he would have been sitting there looking more stupid then he did (hard to believe i know) and the same reaction would have happened. Bbc was on a hiding to nothing having him on the show and i think they knew it there was never any chance of it running as per normal for QT as it was his first appearence and the public wanted him to account for past actions\words which he couldn't.

Had they tried to keep it normal it would have allowed him to drag it off topic every five minutes and they would have got slaughtered for allowing that. Fact is he went on the program of his own choice and he must have known what he was getting into and if he didn't then can someone who has sympathy for him tell me they really want him leading more then the bnp if he can't even figure out he was going to be called to account.

This is all staged hurt feelings by the bnp and it's all they were after another chance to play the victim for the gullible in this country. Bnp are not victims they never were and never will be though they have made an awful lot of people into that for no more then having a skin colour other then white.

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:clap::clap::clap::clap:

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The BNP love news like this. Link

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OMG!!!!! I must have got it all wrong, HMG really has cracked crime after all then..... I mean the Police now clearly have enough time on their hands to concern themselves with the use of benign, everyday words which few people in their right mind could have any serious issues with....

I reckon the publishers of the Oxford English Dictionary are to blame for continuing to promote such contentious, confusing and offensive language....... :rolleyes:

Seriously, this is just the sort of thing the likes of the BNP thrive upon. They'll claim it is evidence of yet more PC pandering to minority groups whilst serious crime gets out of control.

I'd really like to know the mindset of the people who come up with this sort of patronising garbage.

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Yes if anyone had actually asked him about how they would run the country financially then he would have been shown up for the inept person he truly is.

How a government deals with freedom of speech,Human Rights,Privacy etc are important,however how they deal with public money is really the MAIN issue.

The point is would any of you trust Nick Griffin with YOUR hard earned taxes?

I wouldn't because he comes across as a very shifty individual I wouldn't buy a car from.

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The fact that the 'discussion' was allowed to degenerate to the point that the BNP's lack of credible policies wasn't exposed is a sad indictment of the way in which it was handled.

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Political Correctness at its best.

Seriously, get rid of these idiots that discriminate against us all. please make it stop!

the intentional mass migration, and this. some sort of master plan? :)

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Don't believe everything you read on the bnp site ;)

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Don't get me wrong i would have loved the debate to have torn the bnp apart on their policys for all the main things trouble is i think many of the public in this country have seen so much stuff on nick griffin over the years that QT was viewed as the one chance to take a shot and thats what happened. I also firmly believe nick griffin knew that would happen and allow him to play the poor little bullied victim although that does seem to be wearing off for a lot of people and so it should.

This is what i meant when i said earlier that to completely expose the bnp we need more of them on tv not less as some are advocating hand them the spade they will dig their own hole.

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Actually yes you should believe everything you read on the BNP site as it's all true. Then when the General Election finally arrives you can vote BNP with me.

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:o::rolleyes: we know it's you nick.

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Why will you be voting dressed in a black shirt with your jackboots on and your hair dyed blond ready for your night out later in some degenerate bar in the hope of picking up someone similar to yourself.:D:D:D

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Tomorrow belongs to you....

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So you expect me to vote LIEbour or CONservative then? Neither one of those has done anything for us, all they've done is give OUR country away right from under us.

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So you'll vote for the British NAZI Party instead?

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Well Labour have bankrupted Britain and the Conservatives seem like they are trying to hanicap themselves ( maybe they do not want to win the next election while its bankrupt) As I have said none of the parties have listened the a good percentage of the UK population when it comes to immigration and the pandering . I think if a party took it serious and changed its manifesto to reform these subjects then they would be strong.

The BNP can not be taken seriously because of hatred but people are swinging their way because no other party appears to care.

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Look at how the Nazi's got into power into he first place? Germany was downtrodden after WWI it was skint because the Allies demanding reparations the common man was taken forgratted. Up come a party ( ok the Nazi's had a charismatic leader where the BNP certainly do not) but they said they were going to fight for the rights of the German people.

Can you not see that no one fights for the rights of the British? plenty of people fight for the rights of the Ethnic minority or the Muslim. It really is time for that to change

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More accurately they suggested it was the Jewish people, amongst others, who were the cause of the depression. Suggesting that while the 'common man' was struggling to afford bread let alone luxuries the Jewish people were living it up and their expense.

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The great depression was caused by reparation payments and the cost of rebuilding after the war no matter what Hitler blamed ;) anyway I was only summarizing the end result was still the same. I do not want a sudo Nazi party in power any more than you do but I do want things to change in favour of none ethnic minority Britains

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I was summarizing the difference between the actual cause of the problem in hindsight and the scapegoat the public chooses. It was not the minorities which were the cause of the depression but their perceived successes from the depression meant they received a lot of hatred from the 'common man'.

Much like this country blames an awful lot of ethnic minority Britain/Muslims/Immigrants. All of which seems to have been rolled into one in the minds of some members of the public and a feeling which the BNP is successfully exploiting.

People need to examine how much of this 'favouritism' is perceived or misreported and how much is recorded fact.

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If you look on Wiki you will find there is quite a list of Nazi policies prior to the Great Depression which started in the 30's the Nazis had already had some power through the 20's

Its there Damien it is not a figment of my imagination.

Why do you think immigrants work so hard to get here? why do you think they are in force on the coast in France and not actually trying to work illegally in France? its cuz we are doormat Britain and soft as crap. Which brings me to another thing I want changing and that the whole Europe thing. Why is it we try to follow the rules when France and Germany do not? anyway I spose thats a digression

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Germany actually take quite a high number of Immigrants. It's also worth looking into the race and immigration problems France has. Some stats from Wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Europe

We have between 5 to 10%. Let's be generous and say 10%. We're still behind Germany and Italy, and many many others, when it comes to Immigration as a percentage of our population.

I suspect part of the reason people come here is a legacy of multi-culturalism as a result of the empire (it's not recent, and it's not an experiment despite the BNP's weird language regarding it) and the fact Britain, overall, is not a racist country.

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It's British Nationalist Party, please get it right.

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It's the British National Party, please get it right. :rolleyes:

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yeah course its nothing to do with benefits housing NHS and lax immigration laws. I do not think Britain is racist and my views are not racist they may possibly be seen as nationalistic but they are not filled of hatred

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On the other hand, I could vote for a party that will geniunely help me rather than blame all those foreigners for problems, and would help (in some small way) to keep the jackbooted facists out of power.

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I'll believe in the tooth fairy and father christmas before i believe a single word on the bnp website. Even when they are reporting something factual they have to put their exaggeration and spin on it making it completely worthless. We are not facing the same situation germany did in the 30's with the bnp there are far too many differences at the basic level to go into here and for that reason i am not massively concerned about history repeating itself.

Bnp are a threat but only if they are allowed to be and thats the problem as right now we have three political partys so damn scared of offedning anyone that they are pleasing no one. We are clearly a desired destination for illegal immigrants for a whole host of reasons and that does need to change.

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You lot sound more like Fascists than anyone in the BNP.

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Why? The parts where we disagreed with them? Doesn't seem fascist to me.

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Go on i'll bite how are we facists dying to hear this one.

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I've consulted the online dictionary :)

1: a person who is dictatorial or has extreme right-wing views.

2: A reactionary or dictatorial person.

Fascism:
a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

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At best I have only achieved some of those.

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Maybe another voting poll would be a good idea?

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Don't forget to include the "I couldn't give a smeg" option :)

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If you take fascism more generally (authortarian, forcibly suppressing opposition etc) it does apply to a few people I know on the left of the political spectrum.

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It's called not participating in the poll ;)

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On if we're all fascists? I like it.

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Communist states certainly have a penchant for totalitarianism...

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BNP could be on Question Time every year and may be asked on BBC's other top political shows

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz0VFNqdqBv




Mark Thompson said that the level of public support for the far-right party meant that it was entitled to appear on a regular basis.

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Says a lot about their supporters

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Best not to take it so generally and use the actual definition of the political ideology instead then. Otherwise its just akin to calling your annoying boss at work a little nazi. If you're trying to have a serious political debate, it doesn't bode well for your argument.

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Ken Livingstone knows all about that sort of thing.....

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Nick has decided that he really doesn't want to be an MEP for the North-West, after his long service in that post.

BBC

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I am not sure that is against the rules, however inadvisable that maybe, to sit in both chambers. I think he is just after the double salary and double expenses.

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Is it possible to donate directly to a MP's campaign? Say I don't want to donate to Labour in any way but do want to donate to their candidate in Barking?

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I would have thought that would be achievable.

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They do this for leadership campaigns (remember Peter Hain?) so maybe they'll do it for elections as well. Any money left over would probably end up going to Labour.

I would suggest if you're trying to prevent Griffin from being elected, you'd be better off donating time (canvassing etc). Although bare in mind Barking/Dagenham/etc is quite BNP-sympathetic so you'll have a bit of a job convincing them otherwise.

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sounds like someones trying to buy democracy;)

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Thats " Stereo " papa ;)
Hope punky includes Good ol' Gordon brown in the BNP Appreciation society ;)
Especially after Gordon's admission that the Government have maybe not listened to people's concerns about immigration.
I think Punky can add a lot more constituencies to the ones he mentioned as being in the BNP sympathy camp.

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My area is also and they just canvased me, going purely on policy alone I am afraid I am sympathetic. The best thing I can do is not vote because based on the whole picture I would be tempted to vote BNP

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Fellow CF'ers may find this of interest.

Bankrupt the BNP

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Heh. Weird tactic. I think we should all join the BNP then vote to change the name to The 'We Love Asians' party making it a clear policy that we celebrate the multi-ethnic country that is Britain! The new symbol will be the races of the world holding hands.

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How much is a brick in a jiffy bag worth?

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They can refuse parcels, but have to pay for letters.