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Matty_ 13-09-2009 19:04
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Fair points, the thing i think Arsene Wenger needs to address and it is something most title winning teams seem to have, is the ability to play with a midfield that doesn`t wan`t to bomb forward at every opportunity to try and score.
Someone who is prepared to just sit in front of the back four, break up the attacking team`s momentum and play the easy ball. Viera used to excel at this(allthough he did attack when he could) as did Makelele at Chelsea, Gattuso at AC Milan, now maybe Fletcher at Utd.
Hopefully De Jong will be that player for City but only time will tell, i did like the analysis of his game by Match of the Day, it`s only when they show you stuff like that then you appreciate the benefit to the team.
Also the way Drogba defended as well as attacked was good to see.

Probably the best game of the season, and not just because we won, it could have gone either way, looking forward to the return leg ;)

Arthurgray50@blu 13-09-2009 19:10
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The trouble is we need referees that are much stronger, who can control big games such as Man Utd, Chelsea and Arsenal, you only have to look at the Arsenal game where Adebayor ran half way across the pitch to incite the Arsenal fans, this should have been a RED CARD, for the trouble it cuased.

By doing this, it would have shown the referee was in control, and then today Sir Alex has slammed Marriner for the RED CARD on Scholes. We have, to have to stronger referees.

Shadow Demon UK 13-09-2009 20:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34871973)
Arsenal's last couple of losses are different to last season. Against United we were the better team for large portions of the game, even when we conceded it was against the run of play. I only saw highlights but although we didn't play as well as we did against United it's not as if the City result reflected the game.

Arsenal's problem is an inability to finish the chances we have a occasional mistake that let's us concede against the run of play. I mean we dominated periods of that game but as usual a lack of concentration and failure to convert chances cost us. Clubs like United and City have the quality to take advantage of that.

I think it was on MOTD, i may be wrong, but one of the pundits said, when United play well they win, when Chelsea play well they win, when Liverpool play well they win and when Arsenal play well you don't know what they're going to do. I think that sums up Arsenal pretty well compared to the other top teams. It's like when Chelsea and United play badly they manage to sneak a win whereas, as we saw last season, Liverpool could only get draws when they weren't playing at their best. I think a lack of defensive minded midfielders is Arsenal's major problem at the moment and was shown to be the case against City, it's all well and good when playing against a poor Everton side, but when they face a decent side that can counter attack there's problems.

Damien 13-09-2009 22:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 34872041)
I think it was on MOTD, i may be wrong, but one of the pundits said, when United play well they win, when Chelsea play well they win, when Liverpool play well they win and when Arsenal play well you don't know what they're going to do. I think that sums up Arsenal pretty well compared to the other top teams. It's like when Chelsea and United play badly they manage to sneak a win whereas, as we saw last season, Liverpool could only get draws when they weren't playing at their best. I think a lack of defensive minded midfielders is Arsenal's major problem at the moment and was shown to be the case against City, it's all well and good when playing against a poor Everton side, but when they face a decent side that can counter attack there's problems.
I would say thats fair but we look a lot better than last season. Everyone thought we would drop out of the top 4 and I think we have shown that we are indeed a top 4 team. We do need to address this issue of finishing the chances we have in big games and being alert.

Damien 14-09-2009 16:11
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Looks like Mr Moron is facing a 3 match ban for Van Persie, 1 for the incitement. However it's emerging that he also stamped on Fabregas' ankle. If proven correct he would not only get the defacto 3 match ban (so far we are at 7 games banned) but an extended one for having being charged for the same violent offensive twice.

http://www.football365.com/story/0,1...558414,00.html

This guy is a nutter.

LondonRoad 14-09-2009 17:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34872321)
Looks like Mr Moron is facing a 3 match ban for Van Persie, 1 for the incitement. However it's emerging that he also stamped on Fabregas' ankle. If proven correct he would not only get the defacto 3 match ban (so far we are at 7 games banned) but an extended one for having being charged for the same violent offensive twice.

http://www.football365.com/story/0,1...558414,00.html

This guy is a nutter.
Didn't Gary Neville get more than a one match ban for his celebration in front of Liverpool fans?..... and that was nowhere near as bad as Adebayor.

Just checked, apparently Neville got fined but not banned.

LondonRoad 14-09-2009 19:54
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Eduardo's ban overturned by Uefa

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...pe/8236689.stm

nomadking 14-09-2009 20:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by harmitage (Post 34872438)
Looks like they saw, what I saw, as I mentioned earlier in this thread. Although they seem to have taken their time over it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 34862019)
I've been looking at a recording of the Eduardo incident from behind the goal line and it definitely looked like his right foot was caught by the thigh of the goalkeeper, although at that point he appeared to have lost control of the ball anyway. At the point of contact his foot can be seen moving sideways. The slight contact was made when the right foot was in the air and only the ball of his left foot was on the ground. This may explain him going over with only a slight contact being made.

Shadow Demon UK 14-09-2009 21:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by harmitage (Post 34872438)

Probably the right decision in the long run.

Damien 14-09-2009 23:43
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One thing we forget to mention with all of Mr Moron's antics is the excellent job the stewards at Man City did to stop the incident being much, much worse. Credit to them. :clap:

Although there is a part of me that would have liked to see how fast he could run with the away fans chasing him.

---------- Post added at 22:43 ---------- Previous post was at 22:34 ----------

God dam Man City: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...er/8255536.stm

First of all it was a away game, he was surrounded by City fans. It's hardly the same if you score and there are opposition fans all around you. No Cameras seem to have picked up the swearing or indeed any excessive celebration aimed at city.

punky 15-09-2009 00:36
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Premier League cap introduced.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,195...560131,00.html

Basically you have a squad of 25 people. At least 8 must be "homegrown". Homegrown means trained locally for at least 3 years before they are 21.

It will probably get overturned in the EU court but it was voted in for the EPL chairmen, presumbably to avoid something more draconian. The rules are a bit bizarre. Fabregas is technically a homegrown player.

dev 15-09-2009 03:14
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Reminds me of the complaints about Rooney celebrating in front of the kop at anfield, completely ignored the fact he scored about 10 yards from where he celebrated :rolleyes:

SB_07 15-09-2009 03:25
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Quote:
Premier League chief executive Richard Scudamore believes Manchester City striker Emmanuel Adebayor's weekend behaviour has tarnished the game's image.
:D

Kymmy 15-09-2009 15:06
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Well he's been hit with two charges and has till tomorrow evening to respond

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...em/8252803.stm

Damien 15-09-2009 15:10
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OO his response might be worth listen too. I suspect it involves running 200 miles to the FA and stomping on some faces.

So 3 match ban, plus whatever is forthcoming for the celebration. Any word on the stomping on Fabregas?

SB_07 15-09-2009 17:11
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I've been reading various news sites & message boards and so many people seem to be sticking up for Adebayor =/ Probably because he did it to Arsenal:rolleyes:

Damien 15-09-2009 17:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SB_07 (Post 34872908)
I've been reading various news sites & message boards and so many people seem to be sticking up for Adebayor =/ Probably because he did it to Arsenal:rolleyes:
Yeah I've been seeing that. Man City fans on 606 are really throwing their toys out of pram. The main points of contention are:

  1. The referee decided not to send him off at the time, therefore the FA are overruling the ref.
  2. The FA are obviously Arsenal and United fans and are corrupt. Targeting Man City to preserve the top 4.
  3. Van Persie isn't getting punished despite being more inflammatory by celebrating near Man City fans.
  4. Van Persie deserved it.
:rolleyes:

SB_07 15-09-2009 17:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34872911)
Yeah I've been seeing that. Man City fans on 606 are really throwing their toys out of pram. The main points of contention are:

  1. The referee decided not to send him off at the time, therefore the FA are overruling the ref.
  2. The FA are obviously Arsenal and United fans and are corrupt. Targeting Man City to preserve the top 4.
  3. Van Persie isn't getting punished despite being more inflammatory by celebrating near Man City fans.
  4. Van Persie deserved it.
:rolleyes:
Money sure goes to the head.

punky 15-09-2009 17:22
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Damien, write out 100 times "I must not read the utter ***** that appears on the 606 message board"

Seriously, 99.99999% of stuff on there is utter nonsense.

Damien 15-09-2009 17:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SB_07 (Post 34872912)
Money sure goes to the head.
To be fair there was also an Arsenal fan angry Adebayor wasn't imminently arrested and charged with attempted murder :D

Turkey Machine 15-09-2009 18:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34872919)
To be fair there was also an Arsenal fan angry Adebayor wasn't imminently arrested and charged with attempted murder :D
Hard to commit murder in a bright blue football shirt and not get noticed. ;)

Shadow Demon UK 15-09-2009 19:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34872911)
Yeah I've been seeing that. Man City fans on 606 are really throwing their toys out of pram. The main points of contention are:

  1. The referee decided not to send him off at the time, therefore the FA are overruling the ref.
  2. The FA are obviously Arsenal and United fans and are corrupt. Targeting Man City to preserve the top 4.
  3. Van Persie isn't getting punished despite being more inflammatory by celebrating near Man City fans.
  4. Van Persie deserved it.
:rolleyes:

That's city fans for you...

Although i'm suprised he's been charged for the celebration because he was booked for it and i thought if a player is punished in a match for something they cannot be punished after the match as well for the same incident? I'm sure that's whats happened in the past, unless theres been a rule change.

punky 15-09-2009 22:42
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Another blow for Citeh and Chelski...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...-spending.html

Quote:
UEFA have approved plans to bar high-rolling Barclays Premier League clubs from the Champions League if they spend beyond their means.

Michel Platini has got his way on 'financial fair play' rules that in principle will ban clubs from spending more than they make from their revenues.

The aim is to end the trend of rich owners buying into the game and transforming the fortunes of a club, as has been the case at Chelsea under Roman Abramovich Manchester City under Abu Dhabi billionaire Sheik Mansour.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...#ixzz0RD5L0hRb

Russ 15-09-2009 22:48
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Glad we got the result tonight, not so happy we had to rely on the old guard again...

Oh and another sterling performance from donkey.

DocDutch 16-09-2009 12:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by punky (Post 34873100)
Another blow for Citeh and Chelski...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...-spending.html
hmmm so singling out the English sides again wheres the mention of Spain?

Pog66 16-09-2009 12:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 34873001)
Although i'm suprised he's been charged for the celebration because he was booked for it and i thought if a player is punished in a match for something they cannot be punished after the match as well for the same incident? I'm sure that's whats happened in the past, unless theres been a rule change.
...wouldn't it be considered to have an off the pitch impact and therefore beyond the juristriction of the ref? Teh yellow card could be for excessive celebration (also applied when player removes shirt etc) but any incitement type charges would be beyond the ref to act

Turkey Machine 16-09-2009 16:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DocDutch (Post 34873339)
hmmm so singling out the English sides again wheres the mention of Spain?
There's only 1 or 2 Spanish clubs spending well beyond the reasonable: Real Madrid and Barcelona. Essentially the 2 top clubs in La Liga.

sir_drinks_alot 16-09-2009 17:15
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Peter Kenyon has stepped down as chief executive of Chelsea FC

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...ift/article.do

punky 16-09-2009 17:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Turkey Machine (Post 34873454)
There's only 1 or 2 Spanish clubs spending well beyond the reasonable: Real Madrid and Barcelona. Essentially the 2 top clubs in La Liga.
Also, those clubs are run a bit differently. They aren't run by billionaire playboys, they are fan cooperatives who elect presidents and have to garner investments, not raid their piggy banks. Real Madrid have spent a lot of money but they received it via a bank loan. A bank would only have lent it if it was within the football club's means to repay it. Therefore their spending is reasonable.

The Financial Fair Play law is supposed to prevent owners like Abramovich and Sheik Whoever from coming and investing sums of money that are way beyond the means of the club to get in its own right.

I don't like Blatter and Platini, and they don't like the EPL. I do think its a good thing though.

Damien 16-09-2009 22:36
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What on earth is going on!

---------- Post added at 21:36 ---------- Previous post was at 20:35 ----------

Wow. Now that was lucky. Certainly not a goal from Arsenal but I think the initial penalty was iffy. The key thing here is that Arsenal won a game without playing well. Got to be the first time that has ever happened! :D Especially when they were 2 goals down very early on. Last season's Arsenal would have given up.

punky 16-09-2009 22:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34873631)
The key thing here is that Arsenal won a game without playing well.
The funny thing is every EPL game in this round of CL has been like that. So you aren't alone I suppose.

kingbuxton 17-09-2009 00:14
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Quote:
Peter Kenyon has stepped down as chief executive of Chelsea FC
Chelsea (despite the ban) are after a few new additions, so they got Kenyon to check his UTD dossier, saw there are no players left and got rid of him.

Good win for Arsenal that, as much as I admire Wengers ethos, he should have bought an honest player for midfield, I haven't rated either of them in the past, but a Fletcher or a Parlour is what is missing from that team.

I used to like Wenger, then he went into his "Don't tackle or even look at us" phase and he bugged the hell out of me. Since his Old Trafford sending off, regained a bit of respect for him. I prefered trying to beat Arsenal to the Prem than Chelsea or Liverpool.

So City may only have Bellamy fit? Dunno if I should laugh or not. We loose, well it will be the usual crap from everyone. We win, it will be "If Adebayor had played we would have won"

I am anticipating 10 behind the ball and kick us off the pitch now.

Kymmy 17-09-2009 18:06
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3 match ban for Adebayor

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...em/8258287.stm

Pity as I was hoping he'd start for City against MU

Damien 17-09-2009 18:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 34874084)
3 match ban for Adebayor

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...em/8258287.stm

Pity as I was hoping he'd start for City against MU
I thought he had already got the ban. He still faces the possibility of another game or two banned for the celebration.

Kymmy 17-09-2009 18:19
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The 3 match ban is for the stamp, For the goal celebration a separate date will be arranged for a commission to consider that charge, with City having until 30 September to respond.

SB_07 19-09-2009 16:28
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"Vermaelen hammers in a header from the corner "

Already a legend \o/

EDIT: Make that two for him today ;)

Nugget 19-09-2009 23:11
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Another 3 points for Villa today :) - forget the first day blip; fingers crossed for the next 7 months :erm:

Not too hopeful for Portsmouth though - sold all of their best players, and can't get a point for love nor money...

SB_07 20-09-2009 07:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nugget (Post 34875207)
Another 3 points for Villa today :) - forget the first day blip; fingers crossed for the next 7 months :erm:

Not too hopeful for Portsmouth though - sold all of their best players, and can't get a point for love nor money...
Yup Pompey look pretty doomed already. My prediction for 3 to go down is;

Hull
Portsmouth
Wolves

Other likely candidates would be; Bolton, Brum & Burnley.

Russ 20-09-2009 16:29
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I love "Old Trafford Overtime" :D

Damien 20-09-2009 16:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34875472)
I love "Old Trafford Overtime" :D
So did I today :D

Shadow Demon UK 20-09-2009 16:39
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I love Michael Owen! :D

Russ 20-09-2009 16:43
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Another vintage performance from donkey, managing to do everything but score.

kingbuxton 20-09-2009 16:44
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Quote:
I love "Old Trafford Overtime"
So did City when they equalized, just glad they can't defend to save their lives. If it was 3-3 nobody would say anything, they loose........oh my God is Hughes going to complain about it. Just hope they remember we where 3-2 when Extra time was announced, benefited City NOT UTD, I am sure that is the way everyone will see it, not.

Shadow Demon UK 20-09-2009 16:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34875478)
Another vintage performance from donkey, managing to do everything but score.
Yes, he played very well once more, unlucky not to score.

Quote:
Originally Posted by kingbuxton (Post 34875479)
So did City when they equalized, just glad they can't defend to save their lives. If it was 3-3 nobody would say anything, they loose........oh my God is Hughes going to complain about it. Just hope they remember we where 3-2 when Extra time was announced, benefited City NOT UTD, I am sure that is the way everyone will see it, not.
I think they scored before extra time, but people need to remember, City had the extra time to score the winner as we did, they just decided to put 11 behind the ball whereas we went on the attack ;)

Damien 20-09-2009 16:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kingbuxton (Post 34875479)
So did City when they equalized, just glad they can't defend to save their lives. If it was 3-3 nobody would say anything, they loose........oh my God is Hughes going to complain about it. Just hope they remember we where 3-2 when Extra time was announced, benefited City NOT UTD, I am sure that is the way everyone will see it, not.
Man City scored in normal time, 88th/89th min.

Niles Crane 20-09-2009 16:50
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Mark Hughes isn't in a position to complain about the usual magical OT injury time. He was more than happy with it when he was a Man United player, same with Tevez. Now he's on the receiving end, it's wrong? Get over it.

I strangley wanted Man United to win, and i think i even cracked a smile when Owen scored the winner. I feel very dirty.

Russ 20-09-2009 16:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 34875480)
Yes, he played very well once more, unlucky not to score.
And just think how much of a benefit he'd have been to the team today if had the ability to hit the net.

Would be so much better if he was replaced with a striker who had a good scoring track record.

kingbuxton 20-09-2009 16:58
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Quote:
Man City scored in normal time, 88th/89th min.
It was four mins when they scored, they spent three celebrating, I think that is where it came from. Ferguson is hammering them "You can't do anything about a noisy neighbour" brilliant.

Damien 20-09-2009 17:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Niles Crane (Post 34875482)
Mark Hughes isn't in a position to complain about the usual magical OT injury time. He was more than happy with it when he was a Man United player, same with Tevez. Now he's on the receiving end, it's wrong? Get over it.

I strangley wanted Man United to win, and i think i even cracked a smile when Owen scored the winner. I feel very dirty.
Nah I wanted them to win. City have been getting far to cocky which is irksome when you consider they are in their current position because of a massive check!

superbiatch 20-09-2009 17:02
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I didn't watch the game, bit heard about it on the radio. Were there that many stoppages to justify the extra time?

Shadow Demon UK 20-09-2009 17:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kingbuxton (Post 34875488)
It was four mins when they scored, they spent three celebrating, I think that is where it came from. Ferguson is hammering them "You can't do anything about a noisy neighbour" brilliant.
Thats a very good point actually. They scored on the 90th minute, spent about a minute celebrating which was in extra time, then there was a sub in extra time, which adds 30 seconds extra, Owen scores 1:28 seconds after extra time should be over. Whats the problem? :)

kingbuxton 20-09-2009 17:12
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Quote:
Were there that many stoppages to justify the extra time?
From what I can gather it was 4 mins of extra time, they scored on 90 and wasted 3 mins celebrating. I dunno for sure, I slammed my radio down when they scored and broke it, so had to go get another one, so I missed what they did.

Damien 20-09-2009 17:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kingbuxton (Post 34875496)
From what I can gather it was 4 mins of extra time, they scored on 90 and wasted 3 mins celebrating. I dunno for sure, I slammed my radio down when they scored and broke it, so had to go get another one, so I missed what they did.
I don't think it was 3 minutes of celebration. As much as I wanted City to lose they were unlucky with the cheer amount of added time.

kingbuxton 20-09-2009 17:31
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Quote:
I don't think it was 3 minutes of celebration.
Maybe a couple celebrating and 30s for the sub. Point being they haven't been jipped, but everyone will pap on about it as usual. End of the day they could have won 4-3. God Hughes is a moaning sod, he said the celebration was 60s + 30s for a sub + 4mins of stoppage, so Owens goal was within time and it left another 90s for City to get a fourth. He needs to grow up.

Oh and Bellamy has pushed a fan in the face, but Hughes didn't see that, LOL, guy is priceless.

Damien 20-09-2009 17:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kingbuxton (Post 34875509)
Maybe a couple celebrating and 30s for the sub. Point being they haven't been jipped, but everyone will pap on about it as usual. End of the day they could have won 4-3. God Hughes is a moaning sod, he said the celebration was 60s + 30s for a sub + 4mins of stoppage, so Owens goal was within time and it left another 90s for City to get a fourth. He needs to grow up.

Oh and Bellamy has pushed a fan in the face, but Hughes didn't see that, LOL, guy is priceless.
Well Managers defend their players, fair enough. I hope he speaks to Bellamy (who had another great game otherwise) and has spoken to Adebayor (although Abe mouthing off to the press about he regrets nothing tells me otherwise).

Man City are ridding high and spent a lot and some of their fans and Hughes himself are getting carried away. They feel cheated with the forums accusing the Ref and United of being corrupt and they paid off the Ref (I guess City think that money == success nowadays)

kingbuxton 20-09-2009 18:07
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Not all that bothered if he moans at Bellamy, if you go on the pitch and confront a player expect what you get. The player has no idea what you are doing, you could have a knife. It's just the fact that he didn't see it nor was he aware of any incident. Although he apparently had time to watch a replay of the goal and count how many secs passed. What a petty sport it is becoming.

Damien 20-09-2009 18:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kingbuxton (Post 34875520)
Not all that bothered if he moans at Bellamy, if you go on the pitch and confront a player expect what you get. The player has no idea what you are doing, you could have a knife. It's just the fact that he didn't see it nor was he aware of any incident. Although he apparently had time to watch a replay of the goal and count how many secs passed. What a petty sport it is becoming.
Oh. I thought you meant the fan was in the crowd. Yeah Bellamy was well within his rights.

kingbuxton 20-09-2009 18:17
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Quote:
I thought you meant the fan was in the crowd.
No the idiot came on the pitch.

SB_07 20-09-2009 18:17
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Didn't see the game, sounds like a cracker though. As much as i dislike both teams i'm kinda glad City lost.....and good to see/hear Owen score.

Julian 20-09-2009 18:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kingbuxton (Post 34875509)
Maybe a couple celebrating and 30s for the sub. Point being they haven't been jipped, but everyone will pap on about it as usual. End of the day they could have won 4-3. God Hughes is a moaning sod, he said the celebration was 60s + 30s for a sub + 4mins of stoppage, so Owens goal was within time and it left another 90s for City to get a fourth. He needs to grow up.

Oh and Bellamy has pushed a fan in the face, but Hughes didn't see that, LOL, guy is priceless.
He was a great star for Man U, glad to see you still have huge respect for him. :)

kingbuxton 20-09-2009 18:30
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Quote:
glad to see you still have huge respect for him
He was my fave ever player when I was a kid, not got much time for him as a manager.

dev 20-09-2009 18:39
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tbh it was only a good game because we made it one. City's first and third goals were gifts and came out of nothing. Their second you can't really do much about except close the player down. We controlled the second half and were camped in their half for quite a bit of it.

As for the stoppage time, in total the game lasted 97mins so 7 minutes added on in total. You have the base of 4mins that was announced. City celebrated their goal for just over a minute, we celebrated our goal for just over a minute and also made a substitution, so:

4m + 1m + 1m + 30s = 6m30s plus a bit for the "just overs" while celebrating = almost 7mins. Simples.

And just to be clear, our goal came at 95m28s which is under the 4m + 1m + 30s minimum to be added ;)

Bulky 20-09-2009 19:28
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just another day at the office ;)

kingbuxton 20-09-2009 19:35
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He was a great star for Man U, glad to see you still have huge respect for him.
Sorry, I didn't see you put God Hughes in bold, doh, yeah my mistake that, God the player has become anything but as a manager.

Russ 20-09-2009 19:42
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Yes, much respect to Hughes for faking an injury to get a Barcelona player sent off during the 1991 Cupwinner's Cup final for United.

Shadow Demon UK 20-09-2009 21:59
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34875521)
Oh. I thought you meant the fan was in the crowd. Yeah Bellamy was well within his rights.
The bloke's an absoloute moron for coming on the pitch, but to me it looks like the stewards had him and Bellamy decided to give him the right hook anyway?

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2009/09/13.jpg

Damien 20-09-2009 22:00
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Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 34875599)
The bloke's an absoloute moron for coming on the pitch, but to me it looks like the stewards had him and Bellamy decided to give him the right hook anyway?
Hard to know from a still frame. It's quite possible it's was all confusion, the stewards may not have had full control of the guy or had only just grabbed him as the punch was coming in and so on.

Shadow Demon UK 20-09-2009 22:05
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There's talk from United fans at the match that the guy was wrestled to the floor by the stewards, was picked up, then Bellamy ran over to him from about 20 yards away and hit him. Whether that's true or not, i'm sure we will find out. I wouldn't put it past the ******* to do that though. I'm suprised he didn't get his golf clubs out....

kingbuxton 20-09-2009 22:09
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And Hughes didn't see that?

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Two goals and a KO. Not bad for the Hunchback of Notre Dame.

Matty_ 20-09-2009 22:10
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Cracking derby match, as much as it pains me to say it the better team on the day won whether there where 5, 10 or 15 mins of stoppage time.
As a City fan i am obviously disappointed that we didn`t get a draw, but ah well that`s cricket (or football in this case :D ), what i am pleased about is the way the team are playing. Maybe it`s not the prettiest football but for a squad that has only recently been assembled i think they can be mighty pleased. To go to Old Trafford and score 3 times to level things up is an achievement in it`self. Not many teams score three away and still lose :cry:

Both teams defended poorly in this game, if City wan`t to get that top 4 spot and Utd want to regain the prem (stop Chelsea) and have a chance in the European cup then some graft needs to be done in training.
I think Fergie may now realise that City will be a genuine threat in the future, wouldn`t surprise me if he retires at the end of this season if Utd don`t win a trophy.

Russ B why do hate Berbatov so much, he looks a snip for £30.75 Million? :angel:

p.s. Bellamy is a tosspot, not bad at footy though when he want`s to!

Damien 20-09-2009 22:13
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Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 34875603)
There's talk from United fans at the match that the guy was wrestled to the floor by the stewards, was picked up, then Bellamy ran over to him from about 20 yards away and hit him. Whether that's true or not, i'm sure we will find out. I wouldn't put it past the ******* to do that though. I'm suprised he didn't get his golf clubs out....
To be fair it would mean him driving home, getting the clubs, and coming back to wack him. Then Abedayor would have caught wind of it and would want to join in. Nightmare. :p:

We'll see the full story but there is a element of "United fans would say that wouldn't they". Although City fans were saying that about Arsenal fans complain about the Ade stamp on Persie and that was actually quite bad so we'll see when the footage emerges.

If so I not sure if the FA can do anything, it would be a police matter.

kingbuxton 20-09-2009 22:54
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Russ B why do hate Berbatov so much
To be fair (And yes i will keep defending the guy) he came off so we could get a poacher on, as Ferguson said, the ball was bouncing about in the box a lot. I didn't see the game, but he was supposed to have been outstanding again, and bar Given would have got a goal. I think his link up between Midfield and Attack (Or Rooney as it is known) is really starting to look good.

And people need to get off Fosters back, the guy has played six games at one of the biggest clubs in the World, he IS the the future England Keeper and long term VDS replacement, you can see he has it in him to be a great Keeper. Just needs a season. It was poor defending, not poor keeping that let three in today, and we all know that is a blip as far as UTD are concerned.

City always cause issues, and have done over the last few years, they did the double over us the other season. As pants as they have been, they ALWAYS show up for the Derby.

Niles Crane 20-09-2009 22:54
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Originally Posted by Niles Crane (Post 34875482)
Mark Hughes isn't in a position to complain about the usual magical OT injury time. He was more than happy with it when he was a Man United player, same with Tevez. Now he's on the receiving end, it's wrong? Get over it.

I strangley wanted Man United to win, and i think i even cracked a smile when Owen scored the winner. I feel very dirty.
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"Historically it has happened before. I was in teams here where we always had a little bit of benefit. I never felt it was an issue when we played here."

"But since I have left maybe I have changed my view on that. I am not going to question anyone's integrity but I do not know where has got seven minutes from."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ty/8265746.stm

kingbuxton 20-09-2009 22:55
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Although I will always be stunned we never even bid for Given.

Russ 20-09-2009 23:05
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Originally Posted by Matty_ (Post 34875607)
Russ B why do hate Berbatov so much, he looks a snip for £30.75 Million? :angel:
*cracks knuckles*

Right them - first of all I don't hate him, I just think he's a useless striker. No, not a useless player, but a striker's job is to score goals. How many did he get last season, 9? IIRC he played in every game which gives him a ratio of around 1 in 10. And that's awful for a striker let alone one we paid £30m for.

Honestly the man could not hit a cow's @rse with a banjo.

I've said in the past he'd be much better off as a central attacking midfielder. He seems to be good on the ball, he workrate is better than most and his passing is impressive, it's his finishing that badly lets him down. As it is he's a liability up front when he could be replaced with someone who can finish.

kingbuxton 20-09-2009 23:27
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Absolutely fantastic.

They did the timing on MOTD and it was 1s too long, unlucky Hughes. And Bellamy palmed the guy for no reason. So the Owen goal was totally fine. And the xtra time after that was all for City. And Bellamy soon to be on a 3 match ban? Loosers.

Mal 20-09-2009 23:30
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The fan had been pinned to the ground by a number of stewards, they lifted up to walk him off and Bellamy, who was no where near the fan, comes up and hits the fan.

They also showed that Garrido may have been hit by something thrown by the crowd.

Russ 20-09-2009 23:33
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Originally Posted by Mal (Post 34875704)
The fan had been pinned to the ground by a number of stewards, they lifted up to walk him off and Bellamy, who was no where near the fan, comes up and hits the fan.
So the s*** really did hit the fan....

Damien 20-09-2009 23:42
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Can the FA actually do anything about the punch? It was outside of play and to a member of the public. Isn't get a police matter? (one which shouldn't result in anything but a informal warning or something)

SB_07 21-09-2009 00:05
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Fabregas looked happy about scoring....

kingbuxton 21-09-2009 00:26
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Can the FA actually do anything about the punch?
I wouldn't even like to guess, the FA are an enigma. It's bringing the game into disrepute, I suppose. But then it is a fan on the pitch, so nothing to do with anything the FA have control over, it would be UTD's fault. But then we sorted it as we should and so it is assault. Would think it is a Police issue not FA.

It was really stupid, I would stick up for Bellamy, the fan shouldn't be on the pitch, but he was 15 yards away and walked over and got involved, the guy didn't even look or speak to him, so he deserves what he gets.

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It was nothing, a palm to the face, big deal. But in this day and age.........well who knows. If the guy reports it, Bellamy could be in trouble. Mind he didn't upper cut the guy three times, so he should be OK.

Bulky 21-09-2009 20:52
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120 million on a new team.
Unbeaten in the league.
A free transfer hitting the winner in the 96th minute.
.................. Priceless!!!

punky 21-09-2009 21:06
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Originally Posted by bulkylad (Post 34876111)
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...kylad/Owen.jpg

120 million on a new team.
Unbeaten in the league.
A free transfer hitting the winner in the 96th minute.
.................. Priceless!!!
Oh, I don't know about that. Atkinson & Wiley don't come cheap.

Mal 21-09-2009 22:10
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Originally Posted by punky (Post 34876124)
Oh, I don't know about that. Atkinson & Wiley don't come cheap.
How much they get in wages is only their business ;)

yesman 22-09-2009 00:45
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Originally Posted by punky (Post 34876124)
Oh, I don't know about that. Atkinson & Wiley don't come cheap.
I assume you are referring to the time added on.
Who's to say Man City would would have not scored in that time, it is the same for both teams.

I suppose if Spurs gained a win in added time, lets say 5 mins, and scored 2 goals to beat whoever, although I admit it is not likely, you would complain?

punky 22-09-2009 01:05
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Originally Posted by yesman (Post 34876263)
Who's to say Man City would would have not scored in that time
If Man City had scored a 90 seconds after the match was supposed to have ended i'm sure Ferguson would have been back to using his stopwatch again.

If it wasn't so bad for football, you could laugh at the feeble excuses Man U fans come up with justififying their time added on.

dev 22-09-2009 01:33
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Originally Posted by punky (Post 34876271)
If Man City had scored a 90 seconds after the match was supposed to have ended i'm sure Ferguson would have been back to using his stopwatch again.

If it wasn't so bad for football, you could laugh at the feeble excuses Man U fans come up with justififying their time added on.
Not watch MOTD then? 1min for City celebrating + 30s for the substitution = 95m30s which we scored the winner inside of.

TheDaddy 22-09-2009 09:53
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Manchester United defender Gary Neville may face punishment from the Football Association following his reaction to Michael Owen's late winner in Sunday's derby. Neville, an unused substitute, ran down the touchline towards Manchester City's fans to celebrate.
Full story: The Sun

Bit like Adebayor? Apparently he tried to make out he was just warming up after he noticed the cameras, pity all 3 subs had been used you plank, sooner you retire and disappear back up Beckhams backside the better, your a relic from a bygone age of hositility and hatred

Russ 22-09-2009 10:12
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34876351)
Manchester United defender Gary Neville may face punishment from the Football Association following his reaction to Michael Owen's late winner in Sunday's derby. Neville, an unused substitute, ran down the touchline towards Manchester City's fans to celebrate.
Full story: The Sun

Bit like Adebayor? Apparently he tried to make out he was just warming up after he noticed the cameras, pity all 3 subs had been used you plank, sooner you retire and disappear back up Beckhams backside the better, your a relic from a bygone age of hositility and hatred
Wow, perhaps it takes one to know one?? :D :Sprint:

TheDaddy 22-09-2009 10:20
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Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34876361)
Wow, perhaps it takes one to know one?? :D :Sprint:
I know you are but what am I

Seeing as we are back in the playground

and yes Russ I regularly taunt oposition fans in front of tv cameras undermining the work my club and others have done to try and build good relations between rival clubs, you never know if he goes for the hat trick he might start a riot next time, like the one that happened at my club when a group of morons just like him got together.

Russ 22-09-2009 10:25
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:rolleyes:

Seriously - get over yourself. Can you not see the irony of accusing Neville of being 'from a bygone age of hositility and hatred' when you're not exactly being kind to him?

No, clearly not.

Shadow Demon UK 22-09-2009 10:49
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Originally Posted by punky (Post 34876271)
If Man City had scored a 90 seconds after the match was supposed to have ended i'm sure Ferguson would have been back to using his stopwatch again.

If it wasn't so bad for football, you could laugh at the feeble excuses Man U fans come up with justififying their time added on.

Even though Match of the day, sky sports news, various ex-referees (Dermot Gallagher, Graeme Poll) showed the referee was correct and did the right thing. Very bad for football indeed :rolleyes:

Damien 22-09-2009 10:51
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Just to mix things up: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...-stoppage-time
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Sir Alex Ferguson likes to boast that his Manchester United team score more late goals than any other side in the world. Others argue that they get a bit of extra help from referees. It has now emerged that the Premier League champions do, as suspected, benefit from an imbalance in the amount of stoppage time that is added to their matches.

Shadow Demon UK 22-09-2009 10:51
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34876351)
Manchester United defender Gary Neville may face punishment from the Football Association following his reaction to Michael Owen's late winner in Sunday's derby. Neville, an unused substitute, ran down the touchline towards Manchester City's fans to celebrate.
Full story: The Sun

Bit like Adebayor? Apparently he tried to make out he was just warming up after he noticed the cameras, pity all 3 subs had been used you plank, sooner you retire and disappear back up Beckhams backside the better, your a relic from a bygone age of hositility and hatred

So he realised he made a mistake by running towards the City fans and stopped what he was about to do because he knew it would be stupid? Shame on him.

dev 22-09-2009 11:11
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34876382)
Yet more useless statistics. As was shown for the derby the time added on was correct, so, even though it was more than when we were beating someone it was still correct and irrelevant it was longer.

It's like the statistic saying teams rarely get penalties at OT and when you see teams park the bus you see why, because they aren't in the box as often!

LondonRoad 22-09-2009 13:03
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From the neutral stance I see it as basic schoolboy stuff.... play to the whistle.

Mark Hughes should be having a go at his players for not seeing out the game instead of the referee.

TheDaddy 22-09-2009 13:31
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Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34876370)
:rolleyes:

Seriously - get over yourself. Can you not see the irony of accusing Neville of being 'from a bygone age of hositility and hatred' when you're not exactly being kind to him?

No, clearly not.
Clearly no because that isn't irony, that would make the nevller and I both the same, we'd have to be the opposite or at least very different for there to be a hint of irony, funny as cancer for instance, had you called me a hypocrite you'd have had a point, maybe.

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Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 34876383)
So he realised he made a mistake by running towards the City fans and stopped what he was about to do because he knew it would be stupid? Shame on him.
You are priceless, that actually deserves a rep, so he didn't notice the camera and think better of, he realised his mistake and rectified his behaviour, you should defend him should it get that far.

Russ 22-09-2009 13:32
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I now declare this thread a no-humour zone to anyone posting against Man United players.

Kymmy 22-09-2009 13:56
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Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34876496)
I now declare this thread a no-humour zone to anyone posting against Man United players.
You're 590+ posts too late..... Though it isn't just about MU but actually any player not belonging to the team the poster supports!!! :rolleyes:

Matty_ 22-09-2009 14:03
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If most Utd fans are honest they will admit that a draw would probably have been a fair result, for any team to come from behind 3 times is an achievement especially at OT.
I`m not disputing the goal, fair play it was a goal nowt you can do about that.

It`s just a shame what must go down as one of the greatest derby matches of all time is now being degraded by.......................!


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