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More here on legal proceedings.

Source: BBC

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This is stupid it is getting to the point where it will be impossible for either side to compromise.:mad:

I don't know the governance of the FIA but there is now no doubt that this rift has brought the sport into disrepute and been brought about totally by the intransigence of Max. I really hope there is a way that Max can be removed by a vote of no confidence and that the governance of the FIA and F1 can become more transparent and inclusive. How can the FIA claim to be encouraging manufacturers when they are suing Ferrari for breach of contract? H'mm they let Honda walk away........

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The FIA sure do know how to knock nails into a coffin...

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It is weird as it's not just FOTA against the FIA but also FOTA against F1 group, BUT F1 and FIA don't seem to be talking to each other and planning together..

Honda walked away as what could F1 do?? Even though the parent company has lots of assets all the teams are run as independant companies with debt far outstripping the assets, F1 or FIA wouldn't gain by court proceedings in any case against an individual team..

Will be interesting to see what they hope to achieve in the FOTA preceedings

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Didn't they pay Ferrari £100 million to compete until the 2012 season back in 2008.

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Vettel is on Pole, almost half a second quicker than Barrichello who is second. Webber is third.

Button has balance issues with his car and is 6th on the grid. Hamilton is 19th with his undriveable car.

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Hamilton is also 19th on the grid becasue he was stopped on his final flying lap (with 24 seconds to go) after Sutil decided to bang his car into the barriers and get Q1 red flagged... Doesn;t though mean to say that Hamilton could of improved..

Watching the Sutil crash anyone else wonder if it was brake problems or for perhaps the fault of the ferrari in front of him which he seems to be quite close to casuing him to brake hard??

Hmmm, now why am I praying for a wet race tommorow just to mix things up ;)

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Hamilton said himself in the interview afterwards that even if it wasn't red flagged, he wouldn't have done much better. He knew he wouldn't get through to Q2.

Sutil's crash was possibly the worst of the season so far? Like Coulthard said, he was going through the gravel trap...wouldn't you slam on the breaks to try and not hit the barrier? Sutil's wheels weren't locked, at least they weren't on the right hand side, suggesting that there was a break failure.

Rain would just be fun to watch!

Edit; Just seen this on ITV's F1 page. Confirms break failure. http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=46191

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What i would like to is how do the management of the recently assigned tracks feel about this whole sorry debacle. The likes of Shanghai, Valencia, Abu Dabai have spent millions getting facilities together to host F1 and now all this posturing and general airing of dirty laundry in public is going on.
They surely can`t be HP with all the shenanigans.....

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Compare the Turkish Grand prix - the Istanbul circuit is prepared to pay Mr Ecclestone what he wants, but it attracts fewer spectators than its capacity on a race day - with Silverstone.

Silverstone attracts huge crowds, but not enough of that money goes into Mr Ecclestone's pocket - so Silverstone is slated to be dumped as the venue for the British Grand Prix.

But he asserts that the current situation with the teams is none of his business, being purely down to the FIA?

How on earth a world wide sport can end up being influenced so much by persons arguably so far past their 'sell by' date is tragic - especially when it seems to have involved ignoring the true 'establishment' of the sport embodied in the BRDA & FOTA???

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Is it any wonder the groundswell of opinion is against Max and the FIA. The FOTA lobby provide a conciliatory and pragmatic press conference, but the Max and FIA reach for the lawyers at the first sign of trouble. The Friday press conference is worth reading.

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2009/6/9521.html

Bu@@er this, lets hope for a REALLY GOOD race.....

M

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The media won't let drop his comments of LOONIES!!!! When will he learn :(

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Vettel heads a RedBull 1-2, with Barrichello for Brawn 3rd. Massa, Rosberg and Button were close together in 4th, 5th and 6th. Hamilton was 16th.

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After years of Bernie saying Silverstone is not good enough all of sudden it transpires there could be an F1 GP at Silverstone next year. Call me cynical but when a breakaway series might just start looking for venues Bernie gets in the way ....

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Bye, Bye Max

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8116756.stm

He's agreed not to stand after his term ends in October.. The 2010 F1 season seems to now be all go :)

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bye bye Max

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/240620...l-reached.html

lol didnt see yours ;)

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Glad it's all finally sorted out! :)

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Hmmm, seems the only thing we know for sure is that Max is going, does that mean barmy Bernie's medal/win scoring plan is still there?

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He's only changed his mind due to the commitment of the BRDC in getting Silverstone up to the standard he wanted.

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Well he's changed his mind about changing his mond... When will he learn to just roll-over and play dead for the happiness of the sport :(

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8119983.stm

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Its his attitude that really bugs me, if you ask me there is a good case for Max brining the sport and the FIA into disrepute through his constant legasistic whinging.

Shut up and go, lets have new blood in the FIA as well as on the grid. Alan Gow anyone ?

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Virgin have signed a deal to rename the new Formula One team Manor Grand Prix after his Virgin brand, for the 2010 season.

Source: F1-live.com

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Hmm, wonder what's going to happen with BrawnGP then.

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I've no doubt they will find new sponsors after their early success. Its the increased cost due to said success which has driven Virgin away.

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Or possibly Brawn refusing to change its name, if that was what Virgin was looking for?

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Well, Ross Brawn does have a pretty big ego...

(Even though he comes across as a very nice guy) :)

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From the article

I take it that that means it would now be to expensive for the level of sponsorship that he would want, no doubt as you say that includes renaming the team.

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i read awhile ago that Branson wanted a deal similar to the Marlboro one at Ferrari. In that deal Marlboro own the sponsorship of the whole car and anyone who wants space on the car has to buy it off Marlboro. That way they can try and break even or get some profit out of it. I don't think Brawn wanted that sort of deal

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When Brawn (ex-Honda) were an unknown quantity, Branson could probably have cut one hell of a deal.

Now, it's looking like a shootout between Brawn and Red Bull for the top.

I'm inclined to tip McLaren for next year, if they essentially do what Honda did last year... give up and start working on next year's car sooner than they would have done.

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It is a little ironic now, that in February, when Brawn was scrabbling for sponsorship, no one would touch him; they are now falling over themselves for a piece of the action. It will serve them right if it costs them ten times as much as he was offering a few months ago.

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And I bet Honda are kicking themselves now!

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Honda were losing money hand-over-fist over the debacles that were their 2007 and 2008 seasons. So they just pooled everything into 2009 and hoped! Unfortunately they were also losing money world-wide, so made what seemed like an economical choice back then, but is looking like a bad one for all the publicity BrawnGP are getting now!

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I think the fact that BrawnGP are a 'new' team is helping them get so much publicity. People do seem to forget that it is Honda's hardwork, just relabeled. If they were still Honda Racing, I doubt they'd be getting as much publicity.

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Bernie is at it again, the PC brigade will have a field day with this one......

Hitler got things done..

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...cle6633340.ece

Well I suppose he did, even if they were generally perceived as bad things.

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It's already being discussed in a seperate thread

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/20...ghlight=bernie

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Ooops.

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WOW, at last a decent and credible person is fighting against Mosely

Way to go Ari Vatanen

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8137698.stm

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Fuji has withdrawn from the F1 calender due to the 'bad economic downturn'.

The Japanese GP alternates between Honda's Suzuka circuit and Toyota owned Fuji Speedway. It is Suzuka's turn this year, but Fuji have pulled out from 2010 onwards.

http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?id=46297

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Here we go again!!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8141428.stm

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It beggers belief........

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And now the FOTA breakaway plans are still in place :)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8143165.stm

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A good practice for Hamilton today with his partially redesigned car, will be interesting to see how he holds up in tomorrow's qualifying (that's if his KERS holds out longer than today ;) )

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Webber on Pole, Barichello 2nd and Button 3rd. Vettel is 4th and Hamilton is 5th with a vastly improved car.

Nice work by Webber, he deserves it. Hope he wins tomorrow. :)

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The fuel adjusted grid with projected first stop info makes interesting reading

from http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8145826.stm

Looks like Webber is really well placed if he can get a good start, wheras Jensen's predicted early stop could put him in a position of being held up by slower cars, when he comes out of the pits, allowing the front runners to get away.

I hope the race lives up to its potential - Hamilton suddenly being so competitive adds extra interest to the racing, so I hope we can concentrate on that & not the politics..

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Sutil ahead of both Ferraris, and he's got more fuel on board. Way to go Adrian! :D

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The Brawns are the lightest on the grid, fuel corrected times would really close up the grid; and drop the Brawns back a few places. Webber is well out there though. Go Mark

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Fantastic race today, really pleased for Webber. Hope Raikkonen gets punished for the clumsy collision with Sutil, who had his race wrecked by that Ferrari (not for the first time).

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Great race, well deserved win from Webber.

Barichello isn't a happy bunny.

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No action being taken its a "racing incident". I can deal with that I suppose but why did Weber get a drive through? I suspect all anyone wants is consistency.... Shame for Lewis, he could really put the cat amongst the pigeons.

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good result but it wasn't the most exciting race. There wasn't much overtaking and although we had the excitement of Webbing gaining back the drive through that isn't the same as actual racing on track.

I thought both were just racing incidents and neither deserved anything. Shame for Sutil as he had the same strategy as Rosberg so could have got a few points

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Looks like Bourdais has gone. To be replaced by the youngest F1 driver ever

Source Autosport.com;
Jaime Alguersuari will become the youngest Formula 1 driver in history when he makes his debut for the Scuderia Toro Rosso team as replacement for Sebastien Bourdais at the Hungarian Grand Prix, AUTOSPORT has learned.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76945

Apologies if the link requires an Autosport subscription. Some parts of the site are open access some are subscription only and I am logged in by default.

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Mosely has now confirmed he will quit the presidency of the FIA...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8151549.stm

I won;t though hold my breath!! :rolleyes:

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It's not like he's being forced out in the same way Balestre was in the 90s. :rolleyes:

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OH NO... Todt is standing for the presidency :( He's a worse money grabber than Mosely and as you can see Mosely has endorsed him :(:(:(

Really do hope that Vatanen gets it instead

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8153983.stm


Also it's now official Bourdais has been sacked

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8153412.stm

It'll be interesting to see how Jaime Alguersuari copes with the change from F3 to F1, I hope he does well as it's nice to see young blood in the sport

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Jaime has been racing in World Series by Renault this year which is a step up from F3. He hasn't set the world on fire so far. Sebastian Loeb is going to do the last race of the season and maybe more if he wins the World Rally Champ earlier.

Now is a shock Torro Rosso after a driver called Sebastian :D

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Ferrari International Aid here we come!

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Guess who's not happy at being sacked and now threatening legal action

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8154931.stm

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Depends if he had performance clauses in that contract, but to be fair to him the Torro Rosso this year's been utter tripe compared to the Red Bull.

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Now confirmed that the youngster will be driving in the Hungarian F1 GP

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8158722.stm

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sad news that the son of John Surtees died after a crash at Brands Hatch in the Formula 2 race.

Was meant to be at the circuit but had a clashing event. Glad I didn't go as not something I would want to witness.

My thoughts are with his friends and family

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Not even his own fault as well :(

RIP - Henry Surtees

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Firstly condolences to the family and friends of Henry Surtees.


I saw the accident on Eurosport, a pure freak accident. Motor racing is dangerous, you know that when you choose to compete, officiate or spectate, however it really shows why wheel tethers are critical to maintaining adequate levels of safety for all involved. A wheel that comes off a racing car is like a bomb waiting to go off. There was a related incident at the 2001 Australian F1 GP when an errant wheel killed a marshall.

The strength of wheel tethers must be improved to avoid this type of accident.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/300...-accident.html

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the problem with this was that although the F2 car as F1 spec wheel tethers they still need to be fixed to part of the car. In this case the part of the car they are attached to ended up breaking away from the car so there isn't much you can do in that case.

Very sad news indeed as came a day after he got his first podium in F2

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My condolences go to Henry's family. What a waste of an up and coming talent. He was surely destined for greater things.

RIP Henry Surtees.

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End of first practice in Hungary and Alguersuari is only 2 tenths off Buemi. Pretty good considering his previous F1 experience was limited to straight line aero trials.

McLarens looked quick, would be good to see Lewis back on top, wonder what fuels the Brawns and Red Bull's were running

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Q3 is delayed due to Masa crashing out on his last lap in Q2. No reports yet on his condition but it's believed that he was hit by some debris on the helmet.

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Heres hoping all will be well. It brought back bad memories of Senna when you said 'debris on the helmet'.

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Reports are that he's fine and got banged on the chin (actual words of Eddie Jordan and his spy ;)

Barrachelo's car is reported to have lost part of the rear suspension in that are of the track..

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Good to hear about Massa. :tu:

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Watching the incident on V+ has it advantages.

replaying the it over again and it is clearly a piece of tube (coke can size at a guess) hitting him.

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Timings gone, Apparently Alonso is on pole, like he said he would to Eddie Jordan.

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top three is: Fernando Alonso, Seb Vettel and Mark Webber

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You can still follow the programme here.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8167915.stm

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Stream has now ended :(

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Yes, i caught it at the press conference for the drivers. I didn't realise they did that in other languages as well as English.

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I'm slightly disapointed with the BBC's coverage today, seemed choppy and left with a "we think" somebody is on pole. Grrr

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^ how were the BBC supposed to know when the teams / drivers didn't know? They didn't appear to have much choice due to the overrunning of their slot and having another live event on afterwards.

Picture of massa after the accient: http://img.mtv3.fi/mn_kuvat/mtv3/urh...009/755343.jpg - looks like a rather big hit by whatever suspension part it was. He's not racing tomorrow either.

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:shocked: Looking at that picture he was soooo close to being another Senna! :(

Hope he makes a full recovery.

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Well the crash helmet manufacturer receive load of praise for doing a sterling job.

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Luckily it didn't go all the way through his visor and the helmet took most of the impact judging by that picture.


More on Massas condition here.

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I have managed to freeze frame the object and it is a rear coiled suspension spring, a nasty piece of suspension.

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Yes it came off Rubens car.

Hope the guys ok, but hes had his emergency surgery.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8168807.stm

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Formula One driver Felipe Massa is said to be fighting for his life in hospital following a crash during qualification at the Hungarian Grand Prix.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Wor..._Officials_Say

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According to James Allen:

Not surprised Sky it's exaggerating things though.

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Yes i hope Sky have got it wrong as all other reports don't say that.

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Such a freak accident its hard to beleive, Barichello looses the spring and 4 seconds later the spring still having some bounce hits Massa. Just like Surtees accident last week totally freakish.
Massa is in a drug enduced coma following successful surgery and they are hoping to bring him round tomorrow.

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The spring hit the front left-hand side of Massa's helmet when he was travelling at http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8169206.stm

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Apparently he's stable and still in an induced coma.

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...26104910.shtml

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Best wishes to Felippe Massa and family, here`s for a speedy recovery.

I`d also like to say i think Eddie Jordan was bang out of order saying "It was just a bump on the chin" without knowing the facts. Maybe next time he`ll think before shooting his mouth off (then again probably not).

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Such a freak accident, I hope Felippe makes a full recovery.

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I hope they don't use the champus today.

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[offtopic] Homer - Why are you mis-quoting Armstrong in your sig ;)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8081817.stm [/offtopic]

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OMG!!! Poor Alonso, pitted early, right front didn;t get put on correctly, brake cover flies off half way round and then he loses the wheel which goes bouncing off the track!!!

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Massa still kept in coma

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Wor...alifying_Crash

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Hamilton wwwwiiiiinnnnnssss

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What a nice surprise that was:Yes:

It seems like Mclaren and Brawn have swoped cars as the mp4-24 now looks pretty solid, not using only 3 wheels when going round corners and generally a nice stable car to drive. Whereas the Brawn BGP-001 is graining the tyres early, under-stearing like mad and off the leaders pace.

Has Bernie made sure it lasts the distance? I wonder.....

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What a strange race, it seems as if some of the teams had decided to have a comedy hour in the pit lane.

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Renault have been suspended from the next grandprix in Valencia after they failed to attach the right front wheel properly in the pitstop, and then failed to tell the driver Alonso.

Source: BBC

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No wonder Flavio shot off early :Sprint: He was certainly not sticking around to watch Pique, i wonder why.....!!:redcard:

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Does anyone know what happened with the "Incident to be investigated after the race" against Raikonen for his action before the first corner?

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Found it "Race incident - No action needed"

http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpa...s_art_id=38563

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Redbull got a reprimand for thier dangerous release of Webber after thier first pitstop.

http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpa...s_art_id=38562

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Best vid so far
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tNei...eature=related

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Massa show's signs of improvement

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8169915.stm

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It says there he has received damage to his left eye and it's to early to say whether he will be able to race again.

I hope he makes a full recovery and is able to lead a normal life and return to the sport he loves.

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I reckon that Barrichello will quit at the end of this season, after Saturdays Massa incident.