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TheDon 09-03-2009 17:38

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 
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Originally Posted by Mobes (Post 34748450)
I guess it depends on where Virgin believe the future of TV lies and where they as a company want to go... At present VM believe the future is in VOD - i think they are wrong! Most people imo still want the ability to tune in at the same time each week to watch their favourite programmes and increasingly more people want those programmes to be in HD.

Ignore the actual figures for a moment BUT the reason SKY are ever increasing their HD take up is because they have the channels to back it up.

Virgin can quote the use of VOD as much as they like BUT the REASON VOD is being used so much is simply because it's there.... it's not brain surgery - if there were more HD channels then more people would be buying V+ services and if they don't invest in HD then V+ figures won't rise - i've said it before, it's a vicious circle.

The reason VOD is being used so much more is because it's actually useful.

HD on the other hand, is the same content, at better quality. It isn't rocket science which one you'd want to invest in first. The choice between something new, or an improvement over something you already have, take the something new every time. Especially when that something new is something that your competitor CANNOT offer.

HD took off in America because NTSC is crap. PAL is a far better system so the difference between NTSC and HD is far bigger than between PAL and HD. This is why there hasn't been a huge rush in uptake of HD over here, because it isn't as needed. The difference is nice, but it's not exactly essential.

HD is there on Sky, it's uptake is very low. So low that they're now subsidising the cost of the box to stimulate demand. Even Sky can see that most people don't really want HD, which is why they're doing a heavy sell on it now. If there was this huge demand for HD like people on this forum would have you believe, why do they need to subsidise the cost of the HD box? Surely this huge wave of demand for HD channels would easily had people pay the full price? Or is it that the demand is greatly exaggerated, and in reality most people are more than happy with the SD picture?

Media Boy UK 09-03-2009 19:02

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I have got an email from my Virgin Media insider today with the following information:

HD Channels on Virgin TV:
I have been told Virgin are in talks with the following broadcasters:
Discovery
MTV
Setanta
ITV HD - via the red button untill ITV launch an full channel on other networks.


BBC on Virgin TV:
On March 24th Virgin TV hope to launch BBC TV and Radio Channels in all areas:

BBC Alba may launch on Virgin TV on March 24.

The following channels may launch in Ex-Telewest areas on March 24:
BBC One England
BBC One Scotland
BBC One Northern Ireland
BBC One Wales
BBC Two England
BBC Radio Scotland
BBC Radio Wales
BBC Radio Ulster
BBC Radio nan Gaidheal
BBC Radio Cymru

The following channel may launch in Ex-ntl areas on March 24:
BBC Radio 4 LW

NOTE: The BBC TV and Radio launch date is subject to change.

cllp1975 09-03-2009 20:31

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Still no sign of news multiscreen on ex-ntl.... we know they can do it too, they proved it during the olympics...

scorpionatthepc 09-03-2009 22:38

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 34748518)
I have got an email from my Virgin Media insider today with the following information:

HD Channels on Virgin TV:
I have been told Virgin are in talks with the following broadcasters:
Discovery
MTV
Setanta
ITV HD - via the red button untill ITV launch an full channel on other networks.

I have heard on another forum the virgin are also in talks with sky over HD? Anyone got any news on this?

Andrewcrawford23 09-03-2009 23:00

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by scorpionatthepc (Post 34748713)
I have heard on another forum the virgin are also in talks with sky over HD? Anyone got any news on this?

YIp[ sky refuse to sell them to virign so virgin are hoping the ofciom review favours them

heavyside 10-03-2009 09:03

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Forget HD, it's now 3D. Looks like Sky is about to steal yet another march on Virgin. Full story here http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/03...3d_tv_confirm/

dodgem22 10-03-2009 09:30

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by heavyside (Post 34748904)
Forget HD, it's now 3D. Looks like Sky is about to steal yet another march on Virgin. Full story here http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/03...3d_tv_confirm/

Hd i would like but i wouldn't be interested in 3d

mr,m 10-03-2009 10:53

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3D sounds great bring it on,but one sticking point,yet another new tv required.Wonder how much that'll cost,I wonder if it's actually the tv manufacturers pushing this as the price of HD tvs has tumbled,another must have?

Andrewcrawford23 10-03-2009 11:24

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Originally Posted by mr,m (Post 34748949)
3D sounds great bring it on,but one sticking point,yet another new tv required.Wonder how much that'll cost,I wonder if it's actually the tv manufacturers pushing this as the price of HD tvs has tumbled,another must have?

3d doesnt require a new tv, just require the same glass you use in the cinema hwo do you think you ar egeting 3d movies on dvd and blu-ray ;). But 3d isnt going to leave virgin behind sky are going to have to invest a lot and people will need new set top boxes and 3d wont hae the same demand as hd

pwb 10-03-2009 11:51

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Originally Posted by Andrewcrawford23 (Post 34748965)
3d doesnt require a new tv, just require the same glass you use in the cinema hwo do you think you ar egeting 3d movies on dvd and blu-ray ;). But 3d isnt going to leave virgin behind sky are going to have to invest a lot and people will need new set top boxes and 3d wont hae the same demand as hd

Sorry! but if you read the other posts and link to the sky 3D news, you will see that, you will need a new TV and not a new set top box. The Sky+HD box is and will be fully compatible with the 3D, as Sky are developing the 3D with the Sky+HD boxes.......

Andrewcrawford23 10-03-2009 12:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pwb (Post 34748984)
Sorry! but if you read the other posts and link to the sky 3D news, you will see that, you will need a new TV and not a new set top box. The Sky+HD box is and will be fully compatible with the 3D, as Sky are developing the 3D with the Sky+HD boxes.......

you dnt need a new tv and if you read them correctly you will you need a new box but sky hd boix can do it with upgrades in software. I WILL REPEAT you do nto need a new tv

TheDon 10-03-2009 14:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrewcrawford23 (Post 34749003)
you dnt need a new tv and if you read them correctly you will you need a new box but sky hd boix can do it with upgrades in software. I WILL REPEAT you do nto need a new tv

Source to back this up?

As sky themselves state it'll need a new tv.

Quote:

With 3D telly screens becoming ever-popular, and costing around £2,000, BSkyB's system can deliver 3D pics to one of the new screens using an existing HD box and satellite dish.
If YOU read the articles correctly (like the register one for instance, which states "Early adopters will have to fork out extra for a new telly capable of displaying the stereoscopic images") you'll see they all say you need a new TV.

Andrewcrawford23 10-03-2009 14:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDon (Post 34749166)
Source to back this up?

As sky themselves state it'll need a new tv.



If YOU read the articles correctly (like the register one for instance, which states "Early adopters will have to fork out extra for a new telly capable of displaying the stereoscopic images") you'll see they all say you need a new TV.

Ther eis 4 forms of 3d technology only one requires a new tv and that aitn the one. sky themself say you need 3d glasses and if you get the tv that can do it you dnt need the glasses

have a read up on it yourself wikipedia aint great but it gives links to the informaiton required.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D_episode

BenMcr 10-03-2009 15:03

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The 3D stuff that works with current TV is the really old style coloured glasses that is pathetic.

I think what Sky are talking about is the newer stuff like you see in cinemas. True Colour and 3D - for that you probably will need a new TV

TheDon 10-03-2009 15:13

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Originally Posted by Andrewcrawford23 (Post 34749174)
Ther eis 4 forms of 3d technology only one requires a new tv and that aitn the one. sky themself say you need 3d glasses and if you get the tv that can do it you dnt need the glasses

have a read up on it yourself wikipedia aint great but it gives links to the informaiton required.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D_episode

Watch the video on the page I've just linked, they ARE using one that requires a new TV.

The version that Sky are currently running with is Polarization 3D, with passive glasses and the need for a new TV. Even the BBC say the same.

Of the four types of 3d two require a new tv, and only one doesn't require glasses.

We all know the first type, with the red and blue lenses, that doesn't need a new TV.

The other type of 3D that doesn't require a new TV requires LCD shutter glasses, which are expensive and bulky, and whilst Sky are still working with the manufacturers of them, they don't see it as a viable in home system.

The 3D that is TV only that will require a new TV and no glasses is years away from being ready.

Andrewcrawford23 10-03-2009 15:26

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 34749181)
The 3D stuff that works with current TV is the really old style coloured glasses that is pathetic.

I think what Sky are talking about is the newer stuff like you see in cinemas. True Colour and 3D - for that you probably will need a new TV

the new stuff in cinema uses glasses too but jsut newer technoloogy

---------- Post added at 14:26 ---------- Previous post was at 14:24 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDon (Post 34749186)
Watch the video on the page I've just linked, they ARE using one that requires a new TV.

The version that Sky are currently running with is Polarization 3D, with passive glasses and the need for a new TV. Even the BBC say the same.

Of the four types of 3d two require a new tv, and only one doesn't require glasses.

We all know the first type, with the red and blue lenses, that doesn't need a new TV.

The other type of 3D that doesn't require a new TV requires LCD shutter glasses, which are expensive and bulky, and whilst Sky are still working with the manufacturers of them, they don't see it as a viable in home system.

The 3D that is TV only that will require a new TV and no glasses is years away from being ready.

I can assure you it can be done with only new set top boxes ;) i have been workign with teh stuff it quite cool but doesnt excite me as much as hd, there is otehr technology that aint listed there and at least one of them doesnt require anew tv it works similar to hwo the dvd that are 3d work

irishguymcr 10-03-2009 17:52

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrewcrawford23 (Post 34749003)
you dnt need a new tv and if you read them correctly you will you need a new box but sky hd boix can do it with upgrades in software. I WILL REPEAT you do nto need a new tv

Sorry to say Andrew but after watching the Gadget Show on channelFive last night I will have to disagree with you. They show that you will need a new TV but not a Sky HD box.

You can watch it here:

http://fwd.five.tv/gadget-show/blog/...blog-episode-1

one2escape 10-03-2009 18:18

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Its a new TV not a new box. In theory the proof of concept works on the skyhd box. TBH though they will make a new Sky3D box or the like of it. This will be years away they wouldnt be stupid enough to release a this service until HD tvs are in the majority because asking people to upgrade again so soon would be a nightmare.

---------- Post added at 17:18 ---------- Previous post was at 17:17 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by heavyside (Post 34748904)
Forget HD, it's now 3D. Looks like Sky is about to steal yet another march on Virgin. Full story here http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/03...3d_tv_confirm/

Thats old news as the bbc had a shown it around 6 months ago.

TheDon 10-03-2009 18:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrewcrawford23 (Post 34749191)
I can assure you it can be done with only new set top boxes ;) i have been workign with teh stuff it quite cool but doesnt excite me as much as hd, there is otehr technology that aint listed there and at least one of them doesnt require anew tv it works similar to hwo the dvd that are 3d work

What can be done, and why Sky are doing are two entirely different things though.

Yes it can be done without needing a new tv, however the technology Sky are looking to deploy DOES need a new tv, and no matter how many times you say it wont it doesn't change that fact.

There's countless press releases from sky saying it'll need a new tv, videos from sky saying it'll need a new tv, and just you here saying it wont, sorry but I'm taking Sky's side on what the tech will actually need rather than yours.

virginruinedntl 10-03-2009 22:04

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3d is a long way off yet guys, no point discussing it yet as 3d tv's aren't in full production, most are just prototypes and it wont give a hollogram type effect, just means when you move your head you can see a different angle, like if you were at a football match in the crowd and someone was in your way you move your head to see around them. check engadget.com for more details about 3d tv's. I'd rather talk about those missing hd channels, they only have 3 weeks to have those extra channels up and running. Tick tock virgin!

batchain 11-03-2009 00:01

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by heavyside (Post 34748904)
Forget HD, it's now 3D. Looks like Sky is about to steal yet another march on Virgin. Full story here http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/03...3d_tv_confirm/

TechRadar can reveal that Sky did not say it was planning to bring 3DTV to the UK by 2009, despite reports to the contrary.

Several sources suggested that Chief Engineer Chris Johns had put a 2009 date on the arrival of the 3DTV that the company demonstrated to the press in December.

However, TechRadar can reveal that what Johns actually said at last week's DTG conference was that a three-to-five year timeline is 'optimistic'.

What he really said.... http://www.techradar.com/news/televi...ristmas-578043

frogstamper 11-03-2009 03:08

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by virginruinedntl (Post 34749681)
3d is a long way off yet guys, no point discussing it yet as 3d tv's aren't in full production, most are just prototypes and it wont give a hollogram type effect, just means when you move your head you can see a different angle, like if you were at a football match in the crowd and someone was in your way you move your head to see around them. check engadget.com for more details about 3d tv's. I'd rather talk about those missing hd channels, they only have 3 weeks to have those extra channels up and running. Tick tock virgin!


Holy moly 3D TV, the speed VM are operating at bringing any sort of decent HD content to its platform is farcical, so regarding 3D TV I imagine the press release will be along these lines.

"There has been a lot of speculation over the arrival of 3D-TV to the VM platform, I'd first like to scotch any rumours that Sky TV are stealing a march on us concerning this exciting new product, its not true.
Admittedly Sky have managed to currently bring over thirty new 3D channels to their EPG, but don't forget VM have access to BBC's exciting two hour a night 3D channel, added to this VM will send each family a "free" pair of red and green 3D glasses. We at Virgin strongly feel that the cheapo glasses we provide adds to the overall experience of a 3D program.
I'd also like to take this opportunity to tell our customers that VM are currently in negotiation with a number of broadcasters concerning upcoming HD channels, our previous CEO Mr Berkett mentioned many years ago that we didn't intend to let our competitors leave us behind in the HD stakes.
To make good on that promise I'm proud to announce that beginning in the first quarter of 2033 VM-TV will add Channel 4 HD and ITV HD to our EPG...I might add we are only just utilizing what our super duper fibre optic cable can do, its our ambition to add up to two more HD channels in the future as we don't really see a demand for 3D-TV";)

cupcakes aka dd 11-03-2009 13:13

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:banghead: LOL Frogstamper

KnightRider 11-03-2009 15:43

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 
Si Fi channel is now brodcasting in widescreen

Stephen 11-03-2009 16:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by virginruinedntl (Post 34749681)
3d is a long way off yet guys, no point discussing it yet as 3d tv's aren't in full production, most are just prototypes and it wont give a hollogram type effect, just means when you move your head you can see a different angle, like if you were at a football match in the crowd and someone was in your way you move your head to see around them. check engadget.com for more details about 3d tv's. I'd rather talk about those missing hd channels, they only have 3 weeks to have those extra channels up and running. Tick tock virgin!

Virgin have as long as it takes them to confirm the HD channels. There is a lot of work to getting the channels on to the VM TV service and there is no point in telling people anything until everything is signed and sorted!

I don't agree with your name either. Virgin are still NTL/Telewest but with a different name. Virgin didn't ruin NTL as its still the same company.

virginruinedntl 11-03-2009 17:25

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think you mis-understand my username, virgin have ruined ntl. Ntl used to have no broadbands "fair" usage policies, traffic shaping etc, virgin ruined this when they took over and the customer service has gone downhill too.

Andrewcrawford23 11-03-2009 17:37

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Originally Posted by virginruinedntl (Post 34750279)
think you mis-understand my username, virgin have ruined ntl. Ntl used to have no broadbands "fair" usage policies, traffic shaping etc, virgin ruined this when they took over and the customer service has gone downhill too.

Acutally ntl wher ethe oens who brought things liek that to xtw virgin never brought it but the xntl one who took over

Chris 11-03-2009 17:39

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Originally Posted by virginruinedntl (Post 34750279)
think you mis-understand my username, virgin have ruined ntl. Ntl used to have no broadbands "fair" usage policies, traffic shaping etc, virgin ruined this when they took over and the customer service has gone downhill too.

No, you are misunderstanding Stephen. Virgin have not taken over NTL. NTL went to Virgin and bought a licence to use their brand name. Then they went round changing all the NTL branding for Virgin branding. But underneath the shiny new red paint, it is still NTL/Telewest.

And LOL at "Customer service has gone downhill" ... NTL's customer service has been legendary (and not in a good way) for years. In fact it's the reason why this forum was set up.

BenMcr 11-03-2009 18:41

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 34750294)
But underneath the shiny new red paint, it is still NTL/Telewest.

In that case why isn't it 'still Cable & Wireless' or 'still Cable London' 'still Videotron' etc

How long does it have to be a different prices, products, policies, computer systems, managment etc BEFORE it loses the 'it's still just X company'?

At this stage I would say the only thing that IS still the same as the physical wires - everything else is different

Chris 11-03-2009 18:58

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Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 34750365)
In that case why isn't it 'still Cable & Wireless' or 'still Cable London' 'still Videotron' etc

How long does it have to be a different prices, products, policies, computer systems, managment etc BEFORE it loses the 'it's still just X company'?

At this stage I would say the only thing that IS still the same as the physical wires - everything else is different

You're misunderstanding the point somewhat. There is a common misconception that Virgin somehow bought up NTL/Telewest then came in and made changes. That is not true. The Virgin branding is in use because NTL/Telewest bought a licence to use it.

However, on the point about what the nature of a company is ... I used to work for a large hotel company that had, over the years, bought up a number of others. Whenever I visited one of the hotels, I found staff who would identify themselves with whichever brand was over the door when they started working there. In some cases this could have been 10 or 15 years ago. Sometimes the hotel brand had changed twice in the intervening years.

Business culture does change over time. It probably wouldn't be fair to talk about Videotron or Cable London. But the NTL and Telewest brands were removed from the letterheads barely 2 years ago and many, many people, especially in management and senior management, were part of one or the other of those companies.

huxleypiguk 11-03-2009 19:35

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 34750382)
You're misunderstanding the point somewhat. There is a common misconception that Virgin somehow bought up NTL/Telewest then came in and made changes. That is not true. The Virgin branding is in use because NTL/Telewest bought a licence to use it.

I may be wrong but I though ntl/tw bought Virgin Mobile and inherited the name.

Also, nothing against anyone and their tireless quest to see HD TV, but there are discussion threads for this. This one is supposed to be 'Coming soon to Virgin' not 'I have a big shiny TV and can't use it' :-)

Andrewcrawford23 11-03-2009 19:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by huxleypiguk (Post 34750434)
I may be wrong but I though ntl/tw bought Virgin Mobile and inherited the name.

Also, nothing against anyone and their tireless quest to see HD TV, but there are discussion threads for this. This one is supposed to be 'Coming soon to Virgin' not 'I have a big shiny TV and can't use it' :-)

They bought virign mobile and at that point ask virgin to use the virign brand for the rest rof there business as ntl had a bad name with it so they thought new name will get rid of the badish assiocate with ntl

windy 11-03-2009 21:10

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The Thread title says.....:cool:

OLD BOY 11-03-2009 21:41

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 34750242)
Virgin have as long as it takes them to confirm the HD channels. There is a lot of work to getting the channels on to the VM TV service and there is no point in telling people anything until everything is signed and sorted!

Yes, but in December, Neil Burkett said that we would get the HD channels within the next three months. This is what people are concerned about - we keep getting promises and they come to nothing.

Let's just hope this time is just a small delay and not another false dawn.

Arthurgray50@blu 11-03-2009 22:04

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It has been read today, that ITVHD is now on Sky, via the add channels on epg.

Mobes 11-03-2009 22:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 34750528)
Yes, but in December, Neil Burkett said that we would get the HD channels within the next three months. This is what people are concerned about - we keep getting promises and they come to nothing.

Let's just hope this time is just a small delay and not another false dawn.

LOL i think that's the crux of it... why promise it "soon" if you know damn well it ain't gonna be!

Just like digital text or ex NTL new multiscreen... HD will be here soon people... ooops... there's a pig flying over the oak tree that stops me from getting Sky :td:

(Even if it turns up tomorrow, they will still be a year too late from "soon")

Andrewcrawford23 11-03-2009 23:23

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I think people forget the process of getting channels on to virign, it aint as simple as we want this channel ok lets broadcast it tomorrow, the broadcaster has to agree a fee to allow it to be broadcast and i suspect when they say soon they are trying hard to get them but jsut cant agree a term. At least they are acklowedge linear channels are more important not instead of saying \vod is all we need

Raistlin 12-03-2009 07:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by windy (Post 34750515)
The Thread title says.....:cool:


'Coming Soon to Virgin TV' which is the topic here - let's get back to it people please.....

Media Boy UK 12-03-2009 23:23

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Is BBC ALBA about to launch on Virgin TV?

In the past week - Friday, Saturday and Wednesday - some shows that BBC Alba broadcast has appear ON Catch-up on Demand via BBC Player and ''All Days''.

And I have been told this week that it may launch on March 24!!!

braysoj1 13-03-2009 00:17

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if living 2+1 160 when is it going 2 move 2 113 and what channel will be living +2 when it launches

wwe 13-03-2009 02:04

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any new channels coming this month

gadge 13-03-2009 05:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by wwe (Post 34751542)
any new channels coming this month

They are working on it.:D

EBD3000 13-03-2009 09:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by wwe (Post 34751542)
any new channels coming this month

"Coming Soon";)

LiamTG 13-03-2009 09:41

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I think we need more +1 channels!

Does anyone know if there are any 'coming soon'!

:dozey::dozey::dozey:

Mobes 13-03-2009 13:42

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Living TV +1 +1 and a bit.... brilliant... i'll be tuning in lol....

akki007 13-03-2009 14:30

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I'd like to see all sorts of mathematical variations in channel names:

Bravo a2=b2+c2- 2bccosA

Challenge TV tanh(x) = sinh(x)/cosh(x) = ( e x - e -x )/( e x + e -x )

and a personal favourite...

Playboy CI(x) = - (integral)(x to inf)COs(t)/t DT = gamma + ln(x) + (integral)(0 to x) (COs(t) - 1) / t DT (cosine integral)

Yeowser 13-03-2009 14:36

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I'm looking forward to Living TV -1

LondonRoad 13-03-2009 14:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by akki007 (Post 34751817)
I'd like to see all sorts of mathematical variations in channel names:

Bravo a2=b2+c2- 2bccosA

Challenge TV tanh(x) = sinh(x)/cosh(x) = ( e x - e -x )/( e x + e -x )

and a personal favourite...

Playboy CI(x) = - (integral)(x to inf)COs(t)/t DT = gamma + ln(x) + (integral)(0 to x) (COs(t) - 1) / t DT (cosine integral)

You would have to get Clive Sinclair back to design the remote control. ;)

Fingersan 13-03-2009 15:01

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Lol akki007. To keep it topical.... will that be coming soon ?!!?! ;)

sammyjayuk 13-03-2009 18:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fingersan (Post 34751854)
Lol akki007. To keep it topical.... will that be coming soon ?!!?! ;)

For values of soon > ∞, yes. You may have difficulty finding a reasonably numbered hotel room, though...

Sam

OLD BOY 16-03-2009 11:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by huxleypiguk (Post 34750434)
Also, nothing against anyone and their tireless quest to see HD TV, but there are discussion threads for this. This one is supposed to be 'Coming soon to Virgin' not 'I have a big shiny TV and can't use it' :-)

If people are concerned or interested about forthcoming developments, there is no problem with adding such posts here. I don't think we should get too precious about the nature of these developments (or lack of). Whether they are new channels, HD channels, VOD enhancements or whatever, 'Coming Soon to Virgin TV' is still appropriate. :sleep:

Media Boy UK 16-03-2009 19:11

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 
NBC to rebrand Sci Fi Channel as Syfy


NBC Universal is rebranding its Sci Fi Channel to Syfy on 7 July in the US and will follow suit in other markets at the beginning of Q3 this year.

http://www.mediaweek.co.uk/news/bull...ediaPMBulletin

KnightRider 16-03-2009 20:24

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What is this need for channels to rebrand them selves with a new name. History shows that the biggest, best and most well known companys have had the same name since their birth. Why bother it confuses customers and looses the instant recognition of the company, business or tv channel. And I believe quite costly to do a full rebranding

Rillington 16-03-2009 20:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cllp1975 (Post 34748606)
Still no sign of news multiscreen on ex-ntl.... we know they can do it too, they proved it during the olympics...

Indeed. I fail to see why people in ntl areas are not able to access BBC News multiscreen. As you say, if they can do it for sport, albeit only accessible from BBC1 and BBC2 and not from BBC News,then why can't they provide the BBC News multiscreen as well and is there any likelyhood of it appearing on Virgin Media?

braysoj1 17-03-2009 14:15

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Virgin Media to axe Trouble channel



Virgin Media Television will close its Trouble channel and replace it with another version of Living, it has emerged.


http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/broadcas...e-channel.html

Media Boy UK 17-03-2009 15:21

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This week list update is now online - see post one.

---------- Post added at 14:21 ---------- Previous post was at 14:12 ----------

New hours for Film4 from March 30th.

Film4 is to broadcast from midday from the 30th of March.

Virgin viewers can turn into Film4 on channel 444.

Info from Channel4.com

Horizon 17-03-2009 22:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by braysoj1 (Post 34755036)
Virgin Media to axe Trouble channel



Virgin Media Television will close its Trouble channel and replace it with another version of Living, it has emerged.


http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/broadcas...e-channel.html

According to Broadcast, that is not set in stone. VM may axe Trouble, or may not.

As I've said before, VM will likely rebrand all their channels later in the year and Broadcast reports that Living 2 will definitely get rebranded. So, it seems unlikely that there will be a Living 3, if there's no Living 2...

Media Boy UK 18-03-2009 17:24

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New look STV to launch on Monday.

STV is to undergone a refreshment of its branding which will see a new logo roll out across the channel and STV local News shows Scotland Today and North Tonight will be axe to make way for ''STV News at 6''.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/broadcas...-unveiled.html

Media Boy UK 20-03-2009 12:13

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BBC on Virgin TV update:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 34748518)
I have got an email from my Virgin Media insider today with the following information:

BBC on Virgin TV:
On March 24th Virgin TV hope to launch BBC TV and Radio Channels in all areas:

BBC Alba may launch on Virgin TV on March 24.

The following channels may launch in Ex-Telewest areas on March 24:
BBC One England
BBC One Scotland
BBC One Northern Ireland
BBC One Wales
BBC Two England
BBC Radio Scotland
BBC Radio Wales
BBC Radio Ulster
BBC Radio nan Gaidheal
BBC Radio Cymru

The following channel may launch in Ex-ntl areas on March 24:
BBC Radio 4 LW

NOTE: The BBC TV and Radio launch date is subject to change.

An other insider told me this week ''I think that is the plan, but I am not certain.''

But as far as I know no tests has appeared on Virgin TV (Ex-CW or Ex-ntl) for BBC Alba and BBC Radio 4 LW. But Virgin did not start testing Sky Basic Channels until the Friday before they launch on the following Tuesday.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by braysoj1 (Post 34751483)
if living 2+1 160 when is it going 2 move 2 113 and what channel will be living +2 when it launches

I think Living2 +1 will stay at EPG Channel 160.

I will have more information on the EPG Channel number for Living +2 on Wednesday when both my V+ HD and Ex-Sky + boxes are updated to April 1st.

I think Virgin will have Living +2 on Virgin Channel 140 or an new channel number.

KnightRider 20-03-2009 15:27

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Discovery Shed launched today and transmitting in widescreen. Not bad Discovery only another 8 channels to go widescreen how difficult can it be to make them all broadcast in widescreen. Many others have managed after all we do all have widescreen tv's or has no one tolled you this yet its the 21st century

scorpionatthepc 20-03-2009 16:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by KnightRider (Post 34757993)
Discovery Shed launched today and transmitting in widescreen. Not bad Discovery only another 8 channels to go widescreen how difficult can it be to make them all broadcast in widescreen. Many others have managed after all we do all have widescreen tv's or has no one tolled you this yet its the 21st century

So is it a new channel or just a rename?

nialli 20-03-2009 17:46

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Not sure when it happened, but SciFi (soon to by SyFy!) is showing some content in widescreen now.

Andrewcrawford23 20-03-2009 19:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nialli (Post 34758157)
Not sure when it happened, but SciFi (soon to by SyFy!) is showing some content in widescreen now.

i think it been a few monhts, as for discovery shed its just a rebrand

frogstamper 20-03-2009 21:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by scorpionatthepc (Post 34758099)
So is it a new channel or just a rename?

Looks like its a re-name for Discovery real time plus.

scorpionatthepc 20-03-2009 23:20

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So when does sci-fi become syfy as I havn't heard anything about that.

Wild Oscar 21-03-2009 00:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by KnightRider (Post 34757993)
... after all we do all have widescreen tv's ...

err .. no, we don't ..

moroboshi 21-03-2009 01:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wild Oscar (Post 34758529)
err .. no, we don't ..

I'd be interested to know what the actual percentage is now. Normal sized TVs have been widescreen for a decade or more now, so there the ratio must be dramatically in favour of widescreen by now.

It would be even more interesting to know what the fugures are of HDTVs vs SDTVs.

ufitm 21-03-2009 06:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by scorpionatthepc (Post 34758099)
So is it a new channel or just a rename?

it is realtime extra renamed

Wild Oscar 21-03-2009 10:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by moroboshi (Post 34758584)
I'd be interested to know what the actual percentage is now. Normal sized TVs have been widescreen for a decade or more now, so there the ratio must be dramatically in favour of widescreen by now.

It would be even more interesting to know what the fugures are of HDTVs vs SDTVs.

Very true! Actually I was being a bit flippant there .. sorry about that!

I do have a widescreen as it happens (a Schneider CRT about 5 years old), but I do know people that don't .. certainly a neighbor I visit doesn't, nor could she afford to buy one being a pensioner!

My nearest neighbours don't use one either, but can't ask them about it coz they don't speak any english.

mhatter67 21-03-2009 21:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by moroboshi (Post 34758584)
I'd be interested to know what the actual percentage is now. Normal sized TVs have been widescreen for a decade or more now, so there the ratio must be dramatically in favour of widescreen by now.

It would be even more interesting to know what the fugures are of HDTVs vs SDTVs.

Even with the credit crunch the gap will greatly widen with people trading in their TV's for new LCD HD ones when their areas are switched over to digital only

spiderplant 21-03-2009 23:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by moroboshi (Post 34758584)
I'd be interested to know what the actual percentage is now.

I'd guess 50%. The 50% point for living room TVs was reached in 2007, but people tend to move their old TV to another room when they buy a new one, so the overall percentage of widescreen creeps up slower than the new TV sales figures might suggest.

huxleypiguk 22-03-2009 09:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mlayzell (Post 34758999)
Even with the credit crunch the gap will greatly widen with people trading in their TV's for new LCD HD ones when their areas are switched over to digital only

What is this with "I must get a new tele for the switchover ?" Your old tele will work if it is hooked up to a digital box, whether it is Freeview, cable or Sky/FreeSat.

You don't need a new tele !

mhatter67 22-03-2009 12:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by huxleypiguk (Post 34759264)
What is this with "I must get a new tele for the switchover ?" Your old tele will work if it is hooked up to a digital box, whether it is Freeview, cable or Sky/FreeSat.

You don't need a new tele !

I did know that :rolleyes: I meant at least for the main TV it will be an excuse to ditch the 4:3 TV for one that supports widescreen ;)

jim1690 23-03-2009 14:22

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i come from belfast but now living in dumbarton just outside glasgow so it would be good if i can get bbc northern ireland so is it true we will be getting it tomorrow

Andrewcrawford23 23-03-2009 15:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jim1690 (Post 34760195)
i come from belfast but now living in dumbarton just outside glasgow so it would be good if i can get bbc northern ireland so is it true we will be getting it tomorrow

its not been confirmed by virign in the media so there no way of really know, jsut have to hope the sources are correct which they have been i say 60-70% of the time but not always as there always the chance of delaying or techicnal problems.

Media Boy UK 23-03-2009 16:38

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Virgin Media to closed Trouble on March 31st.

Virgin Media Television will close its youth channel Trouble on March 31, kickstarting an overhaul of the Living portfolio on Virgin Channel 159.

Then Virgin Media Television will use Virgin Channel 159 for Living +2 from 1st of April.

---------- Post added at 15:38 ---------- Previous post was at 15:11 ----------

Add link: http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/news/2...n_trouble.html

Info from Broadcastnow.

Mobes 23-03-2009 16:41

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Maybe they will take the opportunity to add the HD channels they promised :D

Media Boy UK 23-03-2009 18:17

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Todays list now online - see post one.

frogstamper 23-03-2009 22:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mobes (Post 34760326)
Maybe they will take the opportunity to add the HD channels they promised :D

Your in the realms of fantasy now Mobes...HD and VM I should coco.:):

virginruinedntl 23-03-2009 23:23

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not it says 1 hd channel by the summer, what a joke, we were promised 4 by end of march! More lies!

braysoj1 23-03-2009 23:36

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any news on espn classic and is Yorkshire radio coming 2 virgin media

Andrewcrawford23 23-03-2009 23:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by virginruinedntl (Post 34760636)
not it says 1 hd channel by the summer, what a joke, we were promised 4 by end of march! More lies!

it wasnt promised they said they intend to, by what i remeber the word intend means try and virign have admitted access to hd is limited and at a cost you say virgin ruined ntl, i say sky has ruined any chance of virign having hd

frogstamper 23-03-2009 23:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrewcrawford23 (Post 34760645)
it wasnt promised they said they intend to, by what i remeber the word intend means try and virign have admitted access to hd is limited and at a cost you say virgin ruined ntl, i say sky has ruined any chance of virign having hd

Actually Andrew have a look at the wording, "we will be launching four channels over the next four months".
In anybodies language that is a promise.:)

http://vmhd.blogspot.com/2008/12/ber...annels-on.html

akki007 24-03-2009 00:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by braysoj1 (Post 34760643)
...is Yorkshire radio coming 2 virgin media

That's more like it, a realistic aim for Virgin Media! I can imagine the press release...

"It's finally here*, what our loyal customer base has longed for..........ONLY on Virgin Media...............Yorkshire Radio. And on top of that, we are also bringing you Yorkshire Radio + 1, we will be removing Sky Sports 1-3 to make room for Yorkshire Radio + 2, +3 and the fantastic Yorkshire Radio + 24. And all this for a low low monthly subscription fee of £4.99 per month.







*Coming soon"

frogstamper 24-03-2009 00:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by akki007 (Post 34760654)
That's more like it, a realistic aim for Virgin Media! I can imagine the press release...

"It's finally here*, what our loyal customer base has longed for..........ONLY on Virgin Media...............Yorkshire Radio. And on top of that, we are also bringing you Yorkshire Radio + 1, we will be removing Sky Sports 1-3 to make room for Yorkshire Radio + 2, +3 and the fantastic Yorkshire Radio + 24. And all this for a low low monthly subscription fee of £4.99 per month.







*Coming soon"

Oh yes, I'll have some of that;) Sky can keep their thirty plus HD channels, who needs those when Berkett has delivered "Yorkshire radio" to the VM epg.
WOW we are still in the race...beat that Rupert.;)

synner 24-03-2009 09:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrewcrawford23 (Post 34760645)
it wasnt promised they said they intend to, by what i remeber the word intend means try and virign have admitted access to hd is limited and at a cost you say virgin ruined ntl, i say sky has ruined any chance of virign having hd

How exactly have Sky "ruined" any chance of Virgin having HD ?

From a quick and dirty tally, there are at least 13 HD channels not owned by Sky (according to Media Boy's list on page 1).

Virgin have had the rights to broadcast Channel4HD for over a year now.... Where is it ?

At the time of the TVDrive launch, there were posters everywhere stating "Virgin 1, Sky 0 - HD only on Virgin" - so, Virgin were actually first to market with an HD product, as everyone seems to blame Sky for "Locking in" HD channels to an exclusive contract (no evidence ever given for this theory that I have seen), what was stopping Virgin locking in these same channels ?

If Sky has "Locked in" these channels as an exclusive, then isn't that just good business sense for them ?

Do you not think it comes down to the fact that Virgin have been very reluctant to spend any money on the TV side of things and that they simply do not have the bandwidth available to broadcast HD MPEG 2 streams in all areas ?

Do you not think that Neil Berkett's comments that Virgin were not interested in linear HD channels (made last year sometime I believe) may have actually been closer to the truth ?

Media Boy UK 24-03-2009 09:47

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This weeks list (With an Tuesday update) now online - see post one on page one.

Mobes 24-03-2009 11:14

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THIS

"Virgin have had the rights to broadcast Channel4HD for over a year now.... Where is it ?"

Is the point that makes by blood boil. - Synner is spot on...forget the other HD channels for a moment. The fact that CHN4 HD is not on VIrgin is inexcusable... and i can't even spell inexcusable.

moaningmags 24-03-2009 11:16

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You did, twice :D

Mobes 24-03-2009 11:17

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by frogstamper (Post 34760624)
Your in the realms of fantasy now Mobes...HD and VM I should coco.:):

I know, but i can't talk right now. I'm about to take my flying pig and pink elephant for a walk.

---------- Post added at 10:17 ---------- Previous post was at 10:16 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by moaningmags (Post 34760853)
You did, twice :D

Cool! :dunce:

Horizon 24-03-2009 13:09

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Home and Really (yes, really...) are the new names for UKTV Gardens and UKTV Style:

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/broadcas...me-really.html

mentalis 24-03-2009 13:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mobes (Post 34760854)
I know, but i can't talk right now. I'm about to take my flying pig and pink elephant for a walk.

Surely the pig should be flying, not walking :D. If you train it to fly then VM may add an extra HD channel.

Mobes 24-03-2009 14:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mentalis (Post 34760966)
Surely the pig should be flying, not walking :D. If you train it to fly then VM may add an extra HD channel.

I'll get onto that straight away, i'll just finish turning water into wine and making gold from lead first :p

Media Boy UK 24-03-2009 14:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 34760916)
Home and Really (yes, really...) are the new names for UKTV Gardens and UKTV Style:

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/broadcas...me-really.html

Home will launch on April 30th. With Really launch being on May 19th.


Gardens shows will be part of ''Home'' and Really will target predominantly women aged 18 to 35 and launches with the tag line: Really - you couldn't make it up. UKTV describes it as a "zeitgeisty and noisy female brand".

http://www.brandrepublic.com/News/89...e-its-rebrand/

EDtheRED03 24-03-2009 14:52

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Any news on when BBC Alba and the other BBC channels are due to be rolled out?

Media Boy UK 24-03-2009 14:54

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by EDtheRED03 (Post 34761057)
Any news on when BBC Alba and the other BBC channels are due to be rolled out?

Anytime ''by summer''.

virginruinedntl 24-03-2009 15:13

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Is this constant rebranding anyone else? They should research names BEFORE they launch then they wont need to re-brand. I now dont have a clue what channels are now and what they were called before, the people in charge dont understand what building a brand is. Luckily its only crap channels that are rebranded so i dont need to even bother looking at their tv listings :P

They are probably are ashamed by the awful channels so rebrand it so ppl think ooo a new channel lets see whats on! Then they realise its a crap channel then a few months later the channel rebrands again :P

scorpionatthepc 24-03-2009 15:21

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They should reman uktv food "grub".

:)

LiamTG 24-03-2009 15:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mobes (Post 34761011)
I'll get onto that straight away, i'll just finish turning water into wine and making gold from lead first :p

Hmmmmm, gold from lead..... tall order that one. Then again VM HD.............











































EVEN TALLER!!

Horizon 24-03-2009 16:03

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by scorpionatthepc (Post 34761080)
They should reman uktv food "grub".

:)

I think that channel might quietly disappear and UKTV stick the food programmes with the garden shows under the Home channel.

All this rebranding is more to do with how these channels look and are positioned on Sky's EPG, than cable's.

Personally, I think they should have a channel called Aspirin after all these rebrands.:)


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