Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

The cost of Sky is what it is. If you don't like the cost, don't subscribe. But whatever the cost it's not an excuse to steal services

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

It is comments like that and such wishy washy opinions why they charge what they want

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

No it's called business and competition. If Sky didn't offer a good product then no-one would be with them, therefore they would have to drop prices to attract customers.

But as they do offer a good product then people do want their TV so they will charge appropriately.

Same as Virgin do.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Indeed, but the point is you still don't HAVE to subscribe do you. So where's the problem?

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They charge what people are willing to pay. There are plenty of channels available for free. It's your choice if you want to then pay for more. If you can't afford it then you can't legally have it.

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My point is that this is TV, it's not a luxury like all them rich folk have who live in new build detached house with a 50" plasma and a BMW who think they've made it.

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Even if I agreed with you about TV not being a luxury which I don't by the way.

They still don't need virgin or sky, they can get a freeview box or freesat system which by your own defenition fulfills their 'luxury'.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Are you in leeds or huddersfield by any chance :LOL:

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TV is a luxury.First of all you need a licence and only the elderly get that free..Then they need the TV itself and they don't get more than Freeview and that's that.

If you are young,fit then you either take what's free or you pay for it..by working to earn the wages to pay for it.

Funny what people think of as a right and a necessity these days.:rolleyes:

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

This has made my year it really has. Those in the trial areas for this are going to have a very Merry Christmas watching there chipped box act as a door stop :LOL:

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Oh behave :)

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Ok :D

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

You must live an interesting life.
The long winter nights must fly by at your house.

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Unlike the houses with "dead" boxes.....;)

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:clap:

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I just like to see thieving gits get there payback :LOL:

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Blimey I can see a couple of people getting a tad upset in this thread.

Losing free cable after several years will do that I guess, be even more complaints when the security enhancements to the cable modem platform are complete and that disappears as well :)

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

:clap:

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This is the one that I am waiting for as this impacts the network

The cable box issue may add a few quid to our bills but thats implying everone using a dodgy box would subscribe to virgin if they never existed of course. Also there is the cost issue that virgin are to blame for by not picking up boxes adding to our bills.

It really makes me laugh when people who openly download warez and pirated media come into this thread slagging off people who use these dodgy cable boxes as in the real world its no different. I wonder if these people would be so pleased if Virgin did start blocking P2P BT and Newsgroup access because users are most often taking money out of the media industries pockets eh?

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Welll, it had to come didn't it.

I agree with B'bandings and Zing, that when the security enhancements are rolled out across the networks for the cable modem system it will be the start of the end for cable theft.....and likely to cause a big impact.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

I am in Teesside, not Hull or Leeds and if that was a suggestion that I have a dodgy box it proves that this forum is full of tools. I am against every single kind of media piracy, I work in the movie industry which has probably taken the biggest hit, second to the music industry.

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They may be wrong about you wilsonreece but I think they are right to wonder why anybody is less than enthusiastic about the prevention of cable theft and be suspicious of their reasons. If you work in the movie industry and really are concerned about media piracy why aren't you applauding this long overdue move instead of finding reasons to be less than cheerful? It really doesn't have any downside for honest people does it?

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

I am applauding it, I simply stated in the first place that it will lose Virgin money and they could have approached it differently by making a better package service than sky for slightly cheaper. That can't be too difficult with Sky's operating costs rising by £114m per year!

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Virgin is cheaper for TV than Sky.

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Don't tell Ofcom that, makes Virgin's complaints about Sky overcharging them for some channels look a bit silly if they are able to undercut Sky and still make an operating profit doesn't it?

Should be noted it's hard to compare the two directly, Sky can't force you to take a phone line to get their TV.

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And as I've noted elsewhere, from this week Virgin don't force you either ;)

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No matter how much i would love to agree and see the network reliability increase due to having no flashed / chiped tv, modems etc..

Quite frankly it aint the end... The new 50meg modem ( Ambit 300 ) call it what u want, has all ready been hacked, flashed and is last years news & currently on use with virgin network... theres actually a few being used in the west mid's area.

And no they dont need no stupid mac codes now either.. encrypted config files wont do virgin no good either.

So The war continues :(

Dnt ask me to provide proof either as you wont get none!

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Because the next gen platform modems have not been hacked at all, FACT

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Well im sure we cud all argu the tosh.... But we shall wait and see :)

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Yes, we shall.:)

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thats debatable isnt it?

Family pack VM 21.50 Sky 23 VM wins
Family pack + movies and sports 21.50 + £27.50 = 49 Sky 48.50 Sky wins
VM would also win on free HD content with V+ with the extra tuner but I think the lack of content negates that a little so in all fairness its around a draw

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

I was actually referring to the lower packages

M+ TV no phoneline price is £11.50

TV L TV no phoneline price is £16

Both of these are cheaper than Sky's minimum of £18

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

you didnt actually specify a criteria lol I think content wise Sky beat VM myself also having experienced all the boxes Sky also beat VM on quality

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I would agree Sky`s box is much easier to use, & has the edge on quality, sky`s packages fall down because you need a BT line, & that ups the price.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Well I tried SKY and had 3 boxes in 3 months and cancelled the contract due to them breaching it due to lack of service and the engineers taking much to long to arrive, minimum 7 days, and of course come 12 months they want to charge you for an engineer visit.

Never again.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

In all fairness I would imagine VM charge a premium if you dont take a phone line with their tv

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Not to bad if you look at Ben's figures.http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/34902699-post1.html

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and thats more expensive than Skys Family pack ok its cheaper if you do not want all the packages. Please note if you source your box privately ie cheaply on ebay you do not need a phone line with a Sky box. Also you are only contracted through the box deal to have a phone line attached for 12 months.

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Does anyone have the telephone number to report these dodgy buggers, I've not seen the advert on the tv and have checked as many of the posts on this thread as I can. (stuck at work with gaffer moaning)

I know someone that had the standard service installed then purchased a dodgy one for £110, he's always bragging about getting every single channel, really really cheeses me off as many of us actually pay for our services.

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rofl!! :)

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Thanks Kymmy

Just made the call, hopefully his bragging is about to come to a swift end

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will you gloat to his face or just snigger behind his back? ;)

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There will be no need shortly, The mighty N3 is coming to all hacked cable boxes out there in cable land :LOL:

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Has anyone actually ever been done as a single user after being grassed up ?

I am pleased about Nagra 3 and will be even more pleased once all the modems have been hit as I have said before :)

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

So will this roll out of the new encryption be done this year to spoil the freeloaders Christmas? :D

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I think you will find that information is classified and if someone tells you they will then have to kill you :LOL:

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Love it!


:LOL:

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Well he's bound to blab his mouth off that he's been caught, he's just that type, tells you everything whats going on in his life.

I'll act shocked & surprised but will secretly gloat :D

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

I bet nothing is done about it

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I suspect that VM will let the dodgy boxes run for the time being, save the money it would cost to go after these freeloaders, knowing that it is just a matter of time before there are a lot more doorstops in the country. :)

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

did they ever do anything else? I asked earlier if any single user had ever been done for using a dodgy box who had been grassed up this way?

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

I was talking to my hairdresser yesterday and apparently there's a guy who sells these boxes from a van in a local pub car park. He's been making a bit of a nuisance of himself of late approaching pub customers saying that he has got too much stock and wants to make a bit of space in his garage so will do you a favour and let you have a box for a £20.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Not sure of that, but I've seen instances in the past where a customer has had a dodgy box taken away by a fault tech after an unrelated fault for another service ;)

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and were they charged or reported in any way?

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That I don't know. If they were charged it was probably off bill but as they phoned up and added another paid box VM may have decided not to - as they were now getting the extra revenue

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Well Dunno If Anyone Said it But the Reason These Boxes Cannot Be Banned Is Because They are FTA recievers that Can Be Flashed With Firmware.

If you buy them It Tells you to Accept the T&C's that you wont use it for recieving Illegal Cable.. So Theres a Lot Of fibbers who ticked that

2) Like the Guy Said Earlier Unfortunately there will Always be ways to get the service free and It Will not stop

3) Although I pay A stupidly Large Bill For Sky+HD here.. and Half of the bill for V+ at my Mothers I Do Not Show Anger at People who steal it..

People Steal Services because they are not Willing to Pay the Stupid Price For TV services Nowadays.. A TV licence is one thing but the prices these days are just plain silly

As for The Whole Make It like Sky.... Trust me Sky Isnt 100% FoolProof..

Anyone Who Actually Thinks the TV prices are reasonable Should Slap themselves for me :)


People Can Only be Caught Via Getting Grassed Up as I believe the Boxes Only Recieve and Dont Send anything back

And This Cannot be Solved by Simply Banning All Starviews and What have you in the UK and Saying You can Just get a recording Freeview Box If your Using them Legit... That Wont work Because Most Of the Boxes are shipped

It does However Come to the Point where it seems these Companies Know exactly what There Boxes are Being Used as and Upgrade the Fookers to HD!!

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

As long as it stops for Christmas and it spoils their kids day being unable to watch free TV then I for one will be happy.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

So what you are saying is that as long something is stupidly over priced it's Ok to steal it :)


Can't see that holding up in court some how.

By the way I think £200+ for a new replacement Sky+ HD box is way over priced so can I come and take yours;)

JJ

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

meh theres nothing on at christmas Anyway Lol Same **** Different Year

Well Dont pay then.. If it aint your Fault It broke.. Why should you pay For Something to be replaced :)

If it is your fault its broke it then tough lol...

You Dont Understand.. There will be No Court Cases.. as it is also Stupidly Hard to Detect These things..

Also they cannot Do anything If the Box Is Not Plugged in

So When the Police go Knocking.. Its like a Heroin Bust except its not get the drugs '' GET THE BOX!!''

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Am I alone in hoping they all go down after close of business on christmas eve? There's gotta be a fair amount of people that only have a dodgy box with no other way to watch tv.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

We can Hope But its a 100% certainty it wont happen.. These People are Like lets say a bad smell that febreze Couldnt even shift

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Only some of the boxes are 3rd party most are modified VM boxes . I do not think the new encryption will be a simple flash to get around it. I am sure I have read the popular European box is not flashable to cover Nagra 3 in countries its been implimented

As far as connection these 3rd party boxes its against terms to connect them to VM equipment however I do not know if its actually illegal to connect them though. But modified cable boxes are the property of Vm (although they write them off and perhaps expect you to stick them in the loft forever) makes at best owning one receiving stolen goods which is criminal

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Personally i hope its all in place by Christmas if not by the start of the world cup :LOL:

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That would be perfect as the may not be much on over Christmas but all kids love to watch tv at that time and it would be poetic justice that they are turned into doorstops at that time.

Even if fault were open once they realised it was a chipped box they would be reported and disconnected from Virgin anyway.

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Pretty much all of them are capable of being flashed to support an n3 softcam, however, none actually exist. If n3 is ever cracked then it would be trivial to update most of the boxes to actually support it, but the prospects of n3 getting hacked are looking quite slim as it's took a hell of a beating already and stood up to it pretty well. So, it would be a simple flash, IF n3 is ever compromised.

As for if it's actually illegal to connect them, yes, it is. The copyright act creates an offense of "fraudulently receiving programmes" which states:

(1) A person who dishonestly receives a programme included in a broadcasting or cable programme service provided from a place in the United Kingdom with intent to avoid payment of any charge applicable to the reception of the programme commits an offence and is liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 5 on the standard scale.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Really? You were just on techwatch not so long ago bragging (well lying) about having a chipped sky box w/a chipped card so who knows what to believe.

In the end the encryption may get hacked but in the meantime it will take out a lot of novices out there and maybe earn Virgin some extra revenue.

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They are cr*pping themselves on that site...total panic... I love it! :LOL:

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Totally busted! :LOL:

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I have also been watching the increase in desperation posts on that site as well. Its gone from they will never do it to well it might take them years to there will be a fix soon to what other option do we have.

Another well known forum has started openly talking about a subject that has been for years a taboo subject and involves VM's main rival.


Yes there desperate and i love it. :rofl::rofl:

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Bring it on i say i have looked at the forums on a site not yet mentioned on here,that talks dodgy boxes and they are getting desperate alright "it was good while it lasts" being one comment ,the new encryption cannot come fast enough for me.:)

This is what the tv theives will be doing hopefully.:cry:

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Love it! :rofl:

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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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By offering 50mb broadband, virgin are giving an almost broadcast quality option to stream all of the tv off foreign websites so it will be a simple case of swapping the box for a media PC

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Except for you're not going to find any foreign websites offering anywhere near broadcast quality streams.

It's hard enough to find a decent quality stream of the football that doesn't get pulled after 20mins, (not that I'd ever do anything like that *cough*) you're definitely not going to be able to replace your daily viewing with online streams.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

It does make me laugh how a lot of people rubbing their hands happily on the news that all these 'freeloaders' will have to pay for TV think nothing of downloading movies off the net. They argue that the 'freeloaders' are making subscriptions more expensive and yet their movie downloads means higher cinema costs. Most people I know nowadays think its stupid and a waste of money to pay to go to the cinema, yet these are the same people having a go at those with chipped boxes or happy that their chipped boxes will no longer work.

I do feel that we go a bit OTT on people using dodgy boxes, yet those that download movies,games, books & music dont get as much flak.

At the end of the day I pay @£40 for Sky because some of the channels Sky has aren't available on Virgin. If they were I'd still pay for my TV. As for whether anyone else pays or doesnt pay, it doesn't bother me - not my problem. If I made it my problem I'd have to stop watching downloaded movies, stop playing downloaded games, stop listening to downloaded music. I'd be a hypocrite.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

We are not discussing downloads here, we are discussing the dodgy boxes on Virgin Medias network! If we were discussing illegal downloading then I would have the same stance! I certainly do not download movies/music/games illegally! :mad: It's insulting of you to assume this! Theft is theft.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Have you taken in to account that its not just the chipped boxes but its also the illegal entry into street furniture that goes on from time to time to reconnect those that have been disconnected,

Then there is the noise that some of these badly chipped boxes create on the network and the risk of damage to a trunk amp if a badly converted box is connected ?????.

Are those that think this is a small time offence happy to have there Internet affected by a chipped box that is flooding the area with noise ?????

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

a) the boxes have not been chipped since the analogue days b) the boxes have not been chipped since the analogue days c)the boxes have not been chipped since the analogue days

Dude you know how they are modified how do they create noise?

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

PM on its way

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How legal is that as a viewer?

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Your right they don't chip them but they do modify them in certain ways which i will not reveal here and that modification can be the reason for the noise.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

It depends, if you're watching things that are screened on UK tv, then the same as if you connected a dodgy box. If you're watching something that isn't, I'd argue not very, as the only areas of law that I can think of that deal with it would be obtaining a broadcast to avoid payment, which if you're watching stuff that's not shown on British TV (such as saturday 3pm kick offs) then you can't be avoiding payment as there's no way to pay for them.

Copyright law which is what this deals with in the uk is 90% about the people who make things available, and not those that use for private use unless they're causing someone to lose money.

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Thanks for the further information you have given me this evening dude :)

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SLM makes a series of valid points.

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It would appear the law has more of a distinction between the two issues than SLM does - stealing cable is a criminal offence, copyright infringement is not.

I should mention I despise cable theft, visit the cinema at least once a month, last month was the 3D version of Up, and in addition purchase more legitimate content now than I ever have at any point in my life, Amazon delivered the full 'V' collection to me this morning.

Apparently paradoxically they yesterday delivered me 100 DVD-Rs and I think it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that my plans for those aren't entirely legitimate.

The point is you can't tar everyone with the same brush, while some may think going to the cinema is stupid it's an experience you just can't totally replicate at home regardless of how good your home cinema is and I don't even have home cinema, and as far as content goes nothing beats a quality original. A burned copy is temporary, an original if the content merits it is for life. :)

TV wise I have Sky+ HD and multiroom, full channel pack + sport + movies. It would appear my evil downloading habits have purely positive effects on my expenditure for content given that the last 3 PC games we've purchased this year were all downloaded first then purchased.

Perhaps I'm atypical but I'd like to think I'm not. Either way I'll stick to my view that theft of cable service is a crime, potentially degrades other people's service, and usually has a demonstrable cost to the company which the content is being stolen from unlike the movie and film industries whose claims of lost revenue due to piracy are precarious to say the least... but I'm getting off topic a touch :)

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Calm down, I am not insulting you as I didn't say that all people show a hypocritical attitute. I am saying some people do. I suggest you re-read my post. If you have never downloaded content illegally or watched illegally copied content then you have every right to slag of dodgy box users. I am also not condoning the use of dodgy boxes, and I did not say its ok to steal cable.

I was under the impression that the copying of films, say using recording equipment in a cinema, is illegal. The distribution of illegal DVDs, if what we are led to believe is true is an organised crime that we are told also contributes to terrorism amongst other things.

Whether people go to the cinema, because they get a higher experience than watcing the film on a download at home is irrelevant if you are still downloading or watching downloaded content. They might not be commiting a criminal offence, but they are contributing to one.

Yes using dodgy boxes is illegal, and I am not defending their use. My post was about differing attitudes. I do think that before tarnishing all users of dodgy boxes as evil ****, we should look a bit closer to home.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Ding ding - we have a winner!!!

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I am now calm :D

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Copying is, distribution is, downloading, most likely isn't.

It also doesn't contribute to terrorism unless you're buying off some dodgy guy in a pub that happens to then send the money on to some terrorist sleeper cell, but then the same can be said for anything, the guy on the market you buy your fruit and veg from could be sending the money to some terrorist organisation.

If you're downloading, and ergo not paying any money, you cannot be contributing to terrorism or organised crime as they're not making any money from it.

I wish the likes of the RIAA/MPAA would stop with the "zomg piracy funds terrorism" arguments already, because in 99.9% of cases it doesn't and just causes people to roll their eyes at the campaigns.

The thing is some people that do download do so because they simply cannot get the same service without doing so.

For instance just about the only thing that I download (well, I stream it online) is live football at 3pm on saturdays, I'm a season ticket holder, and go to every home game, and watch every televised away game, but because of some dumb FA rule that bans 3pm's being televised in this country I can't watch them legitimately, instead I have to delve into the dark world of online streams. I'd HAPPILY pay for an official service, but there just isn't one.

As much as I'd love to I can't go to many away games as I'm on call on weekends, and as such have to be within 30mins traveling distance of work, so I'm left with the scenario of either not watching the game and listening to the worst commentry possible on the radio, or actually getting to watch the game, but it being through an unofficial potentially illegal 3rd party. I'll choose the latter everytime and not feel bad about it because I'm not depriving anyone of income as no one will offer me a service where I can do it legitimately.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Bored already.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

about time virgin did something about this ,thousands folk gettin to watch movies,sports .porn even sky box office for free! takes the **** .but no doubt when they eventually hack nagra 3 il be the first to buy a box!lol

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

The service is offered: you can go to the match.

Anyone who thinks stealing for this reason is okay is a hypocrite.

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Did you miss the part of his post where he says he is a season ticket holder, and goes to all matches apart from when he's on-call and unable to be more than 30 minutes' drive from work?

Thought so.

It would be more accurate to accuse him of special pleading ... he recognises that the rules are against him, but he thinks he's a special case.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

There are no shortage of special cases on here.

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Go back and read my post again, then quote for me the precise bits of it where I say I think TheDon is justified in what he's doing. Go on. Dare you. ;)

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Show me where I was responding to what you had written. Dare you.

Obviously hit a sore spot. What a bunch of hypocritical vipers.

(Apologies for deleting my second post, but it's above anyway.)

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If there's any confusion it's here:

Okay, so if I was a fan of a major premiership team but either couldn't get a ticket because it was sold out, or because I couldn't afford it, would that make it okay to get a dodgy box because it would enable me to watch my team when I wanted?

Does the pricing of a lot of people out of buying season tickets mean it's okay to get a dodgy box?

If I (genuinely) can't afford a VM sports sub does that mean I can steal?

If I'm a Man U fan that lives in Surrey (hardly unusual) and the train fare is too much to afford does that make it okay to steal?

Unbelievable.

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Thank you for doing it for me. It's obvious your post is a response to mine, seeing as you start it with an acknowledgement of what I said ("Okay") and follow it with an attempt to take what you think I'm saying to some sort of logical conclusion ("so..." - synonymous in this instance with "therefore"). If you weren't responding to me, to whom were you responding?

I note you still haven't done me the courtesy of answering my question. Allow me to re-phrase it in a way that makes it a little easier for you to answer:

What, specifically, makes you think I condone what TheDon is doing?

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You'll be surprised to hear that the world doesn't revolve around.

Just accept that I have no interest in what you think of what another member writes.

Read my post in isolation from yours (or don't read it - I don't really care) and move on.

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It would have taken fewer words for you to simply admit you got it wrong. Still, that's the internet for you, no shortage of angry keyboard warriors out there. Maybe next time you'll take a deep breath, wind your neck in and engage your brain before starting to vent.

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If it makes you feel better, that's fine.

Where do you get the 'warrior' bit from? And the 'anger'?

Have you seen some of the aggressive illiterate drivel in this thread? Very picky in your moderating, soldier.

Were you bullied at school by any chance?

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Indeed.

No, because that's entirely different, it's like saying you can't afford a car so I'll go steal one, whereas what I'm saying is I that no one is actually offering to sell me the service at any price, so who exactly am I withholding revenue from to make it as bad as hooking up a dodgy box?

My point is merely that all those who infringe are not created equal, and just because some people may infringe (or may not, depending on the interpretation of the law) it doesn't mean that they are on the same level as others and are therefore unable to draw comment, as the intention behind the infringement can clearly separate someone who does so to avoid payment, and someone who does so because there's no legitimate alternative.

Infringement isn't black and white, nothing in this world is, there's a whole world of gray in between.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

That's a REALLY cheap shot ... For provoking people you should have your mod status taken off you. I'm pretty disgusted by your behaviour and YES, I'm going to report you for it.