Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

To be honest was happy with a 512k unlimited connection but must admit like 2meg.

I think that quite a few customers would be happy with 2meg unlimited

I have to be honest here, later on this year the exchanges are unbundled and ADSL will be available in this area.
I have had a salesman from another isp round, and have registered interest as a lauch customer in the new bulldog unlimited service. Which of course is Cable & wireless so probably might be surfing quicker before NTL get round to it .

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

I wouldnt be THAT disheartened if i got 50GB B/w a month. But im sure they are going to be real strict on it...if people pay another £13 for another 25GB of bandwidth. But who knows...all theoretical eh

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

Hehe.

Userbase of 65,000, 20,000 awaiting provisioning and install, 10,000 calls a day into the callcentres (1/6th of userbase!), under Ofcom investigation, and potentially cancelling further advertising until they have gotten their house in order by fulfilling the mass of outstanding orders and resolving CS issues.

The LLU network that they have both bought and are building is nowhere near making money, current prices are loss leading and as they go further down the profitability of exchanges that'll just get worse and only be exacerbated when BT release their own 8Mbit products, which BTW go on wider 50,000 user trial next month and expected general release November.

Various people report issues with installation, customer service, telephony, in terms of call quality, billing and lack of dial tone all together, and issues with internet speed itself through poor DNS, connection stability and general performance, there's a Bulldog hell website and ADSLGuide has a number of highly satisfied customers.

Braver man than me.

C+W's name in the consumer world and the comms industry isn't the greatest ;) there is an nthell but there's also a Clueless and Witless :) .

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

Remind you of any company a few years ago called NTL:angel: btw is NTLs best network bromley not ex cwc.
Most ex cwc engineers are now NTLs

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

Had a Engineer from C&W asking me if there is any jobs going in NTL as he has had enough of the customer complaints . He works on the Bulldog side. Funny thing is he has NTL at home even when he can get Bulldog.

Just for you The Engineer he works your area :Yikes:

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

I can make mistakes am only human appreciate ignition telling me about this think a review is required thanks ignition.;)

I did not know nowt about it even the salesman for bulldog did not mention it :shocked:

So looks like am with you for the present and future.:disturbd:

Frying pan and fire spring to mind :)

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

And you have rock solid proof of this do you.? If so please print it here --->

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

Would be great if CWC hadn't bought most of it rather than building it, also don't underestimate how much work ntl have done on those networks.

BTW This is the same CWC that bought us the Videotron build, so if we're describing everything on the EuroDOCSIS platform as being thanks to CWC they also brought with them some real, real cr@p. Some of the reasons for the banal performance of Videotron build are not that different from some of the Langley build being poorly, others aren't - there's no Langley / Ex-Cabletel area built as poorly as Southampton (Ex-Videotron).

Some Ex-CWC engineers have been naturally retained, though CoCo had its' share of dodgy engineers same as Cabletel.

Probably best you don't try and tell me about how the networks I work on work, nor how my employer works :)

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

10mb Fantastic, being of an age when we had god knows on old BBS boards on the BBC model B. :Yikes:

i dont download anything much, patches for the odd game but i do play online and that kind of speed must help. I play FM05 and i could even host with this kind of speed. Again the upload cant be that poor I mean you cant give the masses 10mb download and sod all up load.

I'm only on the 1Mb service and in truth its fine, but hey 10mb you got to love that.;)

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

Nildram on ADSL is outperforming me like for like right now so if this is supposed to be state of the art its worrying :(

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

Simple there is grass on the other side. If it is that bad with NTL then its your choice who you have as your supplier. You are not forced by me or any other to use a individual service provider. It is your choice if you want to use Broadband Tv or phone and by whom it is supplied.

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

he's forced by his landlord to not have a BT line if I recall correctly.

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

:Yikes: that is shocking, I stand corrected :)

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

that might be true if they forced cable operators to allow other cable companies to use thier wires ( cables or what ever )

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

Seem to remember a network a few years ago that a certain company had to many customers and could not afford the upgrades hence the cap .
Proof from the Goodland interview seem to remember :D
Have missed me Bill :angel:

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

Prey tell why they should. The cable network was built with private money not public like BT.

So does that mean if you own your own house you should be made to let other people use your house. Same principle
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:blah: Bill Goodland :blah: cap :blah: Stuck record:blah:


This is today not last year. Since when have you been in the headends and hub sites and done a detailed inspection. What we have today is nothing like it was. Stop living in the past wake up and smell the coffee. :). When you do have the full statistics and facts come back and post them to backup you statements.

Again you say you are going Bulldog. Well it is in your area. If we are that bad give them a call If you can get them on the phone. Try phoning there tech support and see how long it takes. If you cannot get them i can always get my m8 to call you he works for them, I am sure he will tell you what its like :angel:

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

[QUOTE=Bill C]Prey tell why they should. The cable network was built with private money not public like BT.

So does that mean if you own your own house you should be made to let other people use your house. Same principle


lol

well actualy there are all ready loads of people who can trapse though your house when ever they wish

but back to the point people are right to be fed up when others are getting better offers

as to poor ntl hsving built all this with thier own money so what they or rather the people they bought out got the opertunity to lay all that lovely cable to give us more choice and lower bills suposedly ( though i dont belive much polititions tell us lol ) now if the only competition they need to worry about is BT then there is not much in the way of competition

opening up all networks might actualy be the way to go

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

[QUOTE=rogermevans]Anyway we already have. AOL use our cable network. And they paid a lot of money to do so. On that bases then role on others using the cable network and paying lots of money to us for using it :). Its a privately owned network and if others want access then they will have to pay for it just like AOL .

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

[QUOTE=rogermevans]Only if the government spent loads of money building your house, then sold it to you for a few pounds (which, IIRC happened with the BT phone network - they sold billions of pounds of networking equipment to BT for a few pounds).
Not quite. AFAIK, there are only a few groups of people who can enter your house without your permission and without a warrant.


When NTL took on the smaller cable companies, they took on the debts incurred building the networks. This nearly bankrupted them. They are still paying off one of the largest debts in corporate history. Forcing NTL to open their network (although, as Bill C says, it already is open to those who wish to pay) could actually bankrupt NTL. So, less competition.

In the mean while, if NTL's prices do cause you concern, there *is* competition in the market. AOL on the NTL network, and the various ADSL providers. You'll also find BT is quite competitive when it comes to costs.


:welcome: to CabelForum BTW

T1 (1.5 Mbit)
 

Living in the uni halls, I was hooked up on a T1 connection. Pretty good I must say, having it from the luxery of the bedroom. This goes back to 1999 when I started uni. Because it was my first PC, it was pretty much my first Internet experience.

Going back home in the summer on 56K dial-up for the first time was a bit of a shock!

Then I became an NTL customer from October 2002 onwards. I saw the speesds go up from 512K to 600K and 750K. I was all too glad to see the new speed increase go up to 2M which is more than a T1.

Now, there are talks of a 10M speed. Is there really any need for that? The only benefits here go to movie pirates. Other than that, you can legally download a 100 meg game demo or the massively-bloated 230-odd-megabyte 3D Mark benchmark tool. After that, you start to run out of ideas.

I would personally prefer to see smaller speed increases, but compensate by having the entire NTL customer services and tech support based in the UK. Really, is there much money saved by speaking to Indian people across long-distance calls? I wear two hearing aids so I don't follow their accents very well. Even the ordinary mortal has difficulties.

So less bandwidth increases and UK support centres would be more reassuring.

<Admin Edit: Jon M - Merged with 10mb discussion thread.>

Re: T1 (1.5 Mbit)
 

why not, we are behind a lot of other countries in terms of speed.

ik

Re: T1 (1.5 Mbit)
 

Supply and demand .... supply and demand.

Who actually needs the faster speeds. I would much prefer better CS and additional services rather than constant speed increases.

Re: T1 (1.5 Mbit)
 

I'd prefer to see greater upload speeds personally. Cap it all at 5mbps symmetrically, like SDSL, and more consistant, lower latentcies.

Even before you get 10mbps, the speed at which servers can give that to you normally limited to the real big companies like Microsoft etc.

Re: T1 (1.5 Mbit)
 

I agree... better customer service should be a priority.

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

higher speeds = more customers = more dosh = more money to invest in customer services.

you can of course scew up e.g. bulldog if you dont get it right.

Re: T1 (1.5 Mbit)
 

I would think they will come in handy as the amount of streaming video offered on the web increases. People will find uses/services for the faster speeds imo.

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

we're going to need 5 - 10mb for proper downloading of dvd quality movies, if movie downloads takes off as an alternative to DVDs.

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

The way I see it is ntl are always making sure they keep ahead of the competition; BT. With their offering of 8mb, ntl had to go one step better.

The talk about 10mb just being a stepping stone to 50mb or > makes me wonder, whether that would just be in response again to what something BT does, or that is aims for the service regardless.

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

BT are fairly screwed anyway as ADSL can only give you high speeds if you are close enough to the exchange. What is it these days? you need to be within 2km to get 2mb? I'm not sure how close you need to be for 8mb though.

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

Yeah but most don't realise that, purely their 'up to 8mbit!!!!' marketing spin is going to make punters on other services think of it as just that, that is until something like watchdog 'exposes' it so all the interweb nubbys understand that it doesn't mean you will get 8mbit.

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

With the move to 10 Mb and above we are getting to the stage when the internet will blossom out and provide much more than browsing, email and mass downloading. VOIP and TV via IP will become serious competitors to standard delivery methods of telephone and TV.

Sky has just started installing new v3 Sky+ digiboxes which have a 80 Gb partition reserved for Sky use. What will they use that partition for? Off peak downloading of movies for customer purchase seems to be a popular idea.

NTL may be pushing for higher speed broadband not simply to compete with ADSL but to ensure that they are in a position to compete for highly lucrative new TV and video delivery methods.

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

That would be the only way Sky could deliver true VOD so far as I can see - so I'd say it's a fair bet that idea is correct.

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

Absolutely, the higher speeds on Cable in the us, especially on the upstream are a now there so they can offer triple play, TV, BB, and "Digital Telephone" or Consumer, easy to use VOIP as we think of it.

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

Why would they need to upgrade broadband speeds to offer "new delivery methods", when they already have suitable delivery methods.

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

There could be many answers to that question so I'll give you just one for starters.

I only have NTL BB and telephone and there is a strong possibility that the phone may go so their existing delivery methods wouldn't be of any use to me.

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

Just a thought.

If NTL are going to make 10 Mb the standard speed across the board what will it cost?

Will the lower two band have to pay a lot more, and the upper band get a reduction, or will the prices stay the same as they are?

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

Well, I've been away for a week.

I get back to, amongst other things, 10 pages of this thread, which, for those of you with short memories, is called:

NTL Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase

So, how much have I learned in these 10 pages about the 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase that I didn't know before I left ?

Nothing :erm:;)

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

I think the way they will work it is that everyone gets the same speed but depending on the price you pay you get different download limits.

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

Hope so that would be a fairer rating then cost=speed.

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

in scandinavian countrys esp sweden you can get awesome links

i mean in lund(sweden) if your lucky enough you can get a 1gbit link to your home.

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

nice of NTL to give us this upgrade when we get it....just hope that the service will be more stable, as I've had quite a few intermittend problems with my line (as now I havent had i-net since last sunday).

the 1 thing I do hope is that the upload speeds are going to get a slight increase to get us in line with most of Europe (ie Holland where you have with most 2meg and above connections a 1meg upload)

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

Some cable companies, this list taken from a DS post showing up Telewest's rather cack upload on 10M:

RCN - 10Mbps / 768kbps
Optimum Online - 10Mbps / 1Mbps
Cogeco 10Mbps / 1Mbps
Rogers - 5Mbps / 1Mbps
Shaw - 8Mbps / 1Mbps
Videotron - 5.1Mbps / 1Mbps
Road Runner / Time Warner Cable - 8Mbps / 512kbps
Comcast - 8Mbps / 768kbps

Outside of North America, in Europe:

Chello / UPC France: 10Mbps/512kbps
Chello / UPC Netherlands: 20Mbps/1Mbps OR 8Mbps/1Mbps
Chello / UPC Poland: 4Mbps/512kbps
UPC Sweden: 24Mbps/8Mbps
Chello / UPC Austria: 12Mbps/1Mbps
Chello / UPC Belgium: 20Mbps/1Mbps
Chello / UPC Czech Republic: 4Mbps/512kbps
Chello / UPC Hungary: 5Mbps/512kbps

There's a number of DSL2+ ISPs in Sweden, France, Netwherlands, etc which also offer more than 10Mbit.

Optimum Online are trialling 20Mbit, Adelphia in the US 15, both with 2Mbit uploads, both on cable.

Also in the US Verizon FIOS offers 5/2, 15/2 and 25/5 via fibre to the home.

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

Does that mean NTL's upload will be closer to the foreign offerings?

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

I have no idea, I'm not privvy to that info, and sadly even if I were I couldn't tell you.

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

I wish you where Ignition...

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

You could add the US cable offerings.
TimeWarner/RoadRunner standard 5Mbps/i'll keep looking
TimeWarner/RoadRunner enhanced 8Mbsp/512
(their web site is amusing as they are advertising as 3x faster than ADSL (standard of 1.5Mbps), not long ago we were comparing cable to dial up.
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Rogers 5Mbps/800k
Shaw (Ca) 7 Mbps
Shaw (Ca) 5 Mbps

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

On the other hand, ntl's "by the end of 2005" and "by the end of 2006" could start to kick in from next Monday ;) :Yikes:

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

Yip covered those above, btw Rogers is 6Mbps / 1Mbps now I believe, Rogers is Canadian too.

Shaw is 8Mbps I think, though I might be wrong, they're deffo 1Mbps upstream though.

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

[QUOTE=Stuart C]
perhaps i should have worded it as "a suprising number of people can" rather than "loads of" but i expect lots wouls still think it rather a lot of them ;)

and yep there is aol but that just goes to show the lack of competition in reality as if aol can make a profit despite paying ntl, then there is still a lot of profit being made that a bit better competition could reduce a bit in our favour

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

I was reading yesterday about someone on FTTH with 20/20 and no caps for something like $80.

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

CabelForum...?!? It's Cable Forum. You''d think a Mod would know better :rolleyes: ;)

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

which pub do you drink in? and have you been speaking to that bloke again? :D

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

I was just putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5.
A new subscriber was told that they couldn't be connected until next Monday.
Someone else rang CS and was told the 10Mbs would happen next Monday.
Looks like something is happening, hopefully.

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

NTL are obviously willing to open up their network, given enough money. AOL managed to use it. Maybe you should ask the other ISPs why they won't? Also, you appear to be forgetting that a large proportion of NTL subscribers can also get ADSL services, but they do have to switch to an ADSL compatible phone provider. Not a perfect solution, but it *is* competition.

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

You may recall that in the announcement last week that it said:-

ntl will also offer a choice of broadband services with unlimited usage.

I had received more information on these from ntl:-

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

Any idea what these slower speeds will be? Not that I have any faith that NTL can stick to a single definition of unlimited for a significant length of time.

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

I wonder what these speeds will be?? This looks to be the service for me as I do a Huge amount of downloading. Nice to see them "Trying" to cater for "All" people.

Just hope the speeds on it are not to far off the 10Mbps and it has a decent upload on it......

Just have to wait and see I guess.......

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

Yep....I hope ntl increase the upload to a decent level. Then i would be a REALLY happy customer :)

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

I'd be happy to continue with 2mbit uncapped for £25. Although, obviously, a speed increase would be nice :)

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

frist time poster :dunce:

if you upgrade your speeds you WILL be capped, if you keep going over the capping you will bw asked to pay more, (nice of them to tell you you've gone over till the bill comes) this is the main reason that i'm still only 300kbs :Yikes:

i'm downloading most of the time (like my tunes) and dont agree with capping witch is why i havent, everyone thats upgraded to the 1 meg will get a 3gb cap!!!!!!, and theres no goingway back to 300kbs

Fluff capping :td: :td: :td: :td:

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

Hi wishy0,

:welcome:

The caps aren't being enforced (yet!), of course if you've got specific evidence to the contrary I'd be interested to hear it.

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

5Mbps with unlimited download wouldn`t be too bad, a bit of a speed increase and no caps to worry about, although hat would still have my friends on 8Mbps ADSL gloating.

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

Now 3mbit uncapped at the same or lower price than now and i will be doing cartwheels up the street :LOL:. You see 3mbit is fast enough for me

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

My 2MB is fast enough for me. What I want the most from NTL is a faster upload, not a faster download :(

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

hi raistlin


i was on the blower to them for about an hour today, had him running to ask questions to someone that know what i was on about (evil grin)

its going to be in oct/nov that capping is going to be inforced, so get in what you can NOW before its to late!

i'm thinking about changing to UKOnline as thay have a cap of 500gb's a day for about the same price!

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

Yeah, I'm expecting around the 5Mbit mark but am Hoping! for a bit more. I would like to get something like 8Mbit with a 1Mbit upload on it so I can at least get the same sort of connection most of europe had last year :( Most of my Euro friends have recently moved to 20Mbit but still keeping the 1Mbit upload.


Just wondering though if the quote from NTL about only 2% of it's customers going over the cap is to be beleived??

If in fact only 2% DO go over the cap then what harm could their be in offering 10Mbit without a cap? As hardly anyone would go over it.....AND if they are upping it to 75GB then that must surely reduce that 2% further still? :D

I think they are not giving the right figures there....... :erm:

Anyway, I will not put any pen to paper until the end of the year that way I can see what ADSL has to offer in my area in the coming months. I am apparently only 1.93KM from my exchange so I am hoping to get something half decent from that. Then I can way up NTL against ADSL for the first time properly.

Hopefully NTL will come up trumps though as 4 Good years service (With the odd Hicup) would be a shame to jump ship......Would feel Kinda guilty doing it to!! lol :dunce:


Fingers are crossed NTL, don't let me down. ;)

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

Why are ntl bothinging doing this? some services capped and some not? surely they would make more money if they were all uncapped and people who dont use alot of bandwidth but just want a fast connection would pay for the highest speed? So why are they doing this when sombody like that could pay 17.99 a month instead of 37.99 and still get 10mbit? Sees a bit pointless to me and they will lose quite a bit of money from people downgrading.

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

Think you have that wrong my friend. :) would be nice if it was but change day to month :LOL:

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

This latest news is in line with something i'd heard rumoured on here a week or so ago, 5mb unlimited for the same price as 10mb with 75GB cap.

That sounds great, and i'm sure it would please most of the heavy users. I'd certainly be happy with it,
A little more upstream would be nice, but not really essential, i'm sure we could soldier on without it. :D

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

Because reading between the lines. There is going to be some form of hard cap on the limited services. "dont take that as me confirming this. I am making an assumption from what they have posted in the news section".

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

Would be nice if we got 8mbit though. Considering that other companies offer more for cheaper.

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

I belive I'll wait 'till I actually see what's happening in black and white.

I'm pretty impressed with my upgrade to 2mb - so I will probably be impressed with whatever else they give me :)

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

Dead right I'm afraid, of that 2% that break their limit perhaps 50% of them are doing 3 figures a month, and there's a small percentage that are doing full whack on their connections 24x7. On 10Mbit that's absolutely unsustainable, 1 person doing that will eat over 25% of an entire uBR card.

10Mbit = 100GB/day = 3TB/month, and you can guarantee there will be idiots who do that. TW are in for some fun.

Also TW have made a huge concession with remaining uncapped - the upload on their 10Mbit product, a mere 384kbps.

Harm offering 10Mbit uncapped is it only takes 4 planks to cripple several thousand quid of capacity - as TW may well find out in the near future.

You'll hate me for this but I hope that the uncapped packages are at most the current 1/2/3Mbit (this is most likely I reckon) preferably 512k, 1Mbit and 2Mbit, especially with the increasing rarity of uncapped DSL products.

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

I am hardly bothered about the cap I know the monthly cap I am below but I do know I occasionally break the 1gig a day.. 10mb speed would be nice as a boost if ineeded something quick. But!! I can live without it :)

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

Do u really think that sombody would download 100GB a day for the fun? he would have to spend 80 quid every day for a new hardrive. You are just being really unrealistic

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

Good point, even for the real gluttons, there has to be a practical limit to what they can handle....


Anyway, I wonder what I can look forward to as a £17.99 per month cheapskate, having stuck with the 300k and a limit that would take some serious effort to hit.

I'd find 10Mbit/3Gb just as pointless as 1Mbit/3Gb - the original rumour of 5Gb, I was juggling monitoring on the basis of 3Gb or thereabouts for general use, and 2Gb for exceptions - and comparing inaccurate monitors, some days were over target, others under.

On the other hand, if their lowest tariff turns out to be 512k with a large (abuse only) limit, or 1Mbit with a moderate limit, I'll bite their hand off and abandon all thoughts of kicking them for ADSL (which IS a practical option) - on the other hand, if UK Online's £9.99 512k hits my exchange before then , bye bye NTL.


While they might have a low tier 10Mbit available in the end, I'd rather see an increased quota on the 1Mbit - especially as rolling out a standard 10Mbit to all "limited" tiers would make the PACE STB obsolete as a way of handling broadband.

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

Really?

A DVDR holds 4.7GB, and can be burned in 15 minutes.

There are people, I can think of 1 who has 3 TB of drive space on his PC, he's on 4Mbit BY and has it maxed 24/7.

I am certainly not being unrealistic at all.

If you think that 100GB of hard drive costs 80 quid too I'll do you a good deal on one considering I can get 250GB for 65 without really shopping around :D

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

or 6 minutes with my new nec3540a /hugs :p:

oh my god....oh my god

/dies

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

3mb unlimited would be fine for me :)

It would be nice to have 5mb unlimited, but 3mb would do for the same money.
I'll probably try 10 just to see the speed, but I think the thought of the cap would annoy me, Gamespot,Fileplanet,Easynews etc are cool on 3 mb. As regards the 24/7 brigade that is clearly taking the pee, why don't NTL just monitor those that are downloading 24/7 full whack all month, send them a letter and if they continue chuck them off.

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

No they burn to CDs then delete and redownload to the same HDD and most have over 300GB HDD...

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

:welcome: to CableForum..

AFAIK, the caps currently are not "Hard". In other words, NTL is not actively enforcing them. How do you know NTL will tell people they have gone over the cap AFTER the bill is paid? Asking more money was ONE option NTL were looking at.
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Ignition has access to NTL's network usage stats, so is in a better position to make an educated guess than you or I. and judging by what I have seen posted both here and on NTHW.com, I can well believe there are people who would still max out the connection 24/7 purely because they can.

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

Well them people need to look at themselves. With a faster connection i wouldnt download more i would just get what i wanted faster. I dont see how sombody could use 100GB a day though? specially everyday for a month....there isnt enough stuff to download at that sort of speed. Maybe 40GB a day max but thats it.

There are hardly any places where u will be able to download at 1.2MB/s and has TB's of data. You will NOT be able to max out your connection fully for a month. Its impossible.

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

I think I could easily use up 100GB a day if I put my mind to it - not much of it would be legitimate though.

The thing is, if you give people enough rope (and let them have it fast enough, and cheap enough) they will eventually hang themselves ;)

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Same here...

You can download from more than one server.. Especially if you use Download managers such as getright.

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the way thats said could either be
1. Saying that the upgrades will happen sooner than expected
2. Or you are saying 3mb will start next monday
3. or all users will start from next monday :eeek:

im gonna hope for number 3 :) Could you clarify your answer ;)

Also is there any news if ntl will allow all users to upgrade to 10mb online. As in ppl with 3mb, 2mb and 1mb will be able to upgrade instantly as soon as the update starts to be issued to any package they wish (10 with 75gb or 10mb with **gb or 10mb with **gb)???

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I personally have nearly 2 tb of storage on this PC i only paid around the 60 quid mark for my 300 gig drives :Yikes: :Yikes:

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I have about 1TB but i know that i would not download so much for the fun of it! and the best deal i got on a hdd was 30 quid for 200GB :angel: DEAL

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Streaming music, downloading movies, watching and deleting. This is where the bandwidth will go in the future.
Theoretically you could play out a DVD in real time over 10MB.

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I only really use my storage for my photoshop work and i suppose the speed increases will be a bonus for me in that respect, but i dont really care if NTL enforce the cap. Personally i hope they do i dread to think what is gonna happen to my connection if some people who insist on downloading the entire internet 24 hours a day are alowed to go unchecked, my connection has already suffered due to people going hell for leather the last time NTL increased the speeds. Just my 2ps worth....:)

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my best one was 30 quid for 250 GB MAXTOR 8MB Cache 7200 rpm, but thats not the point here, ur saying that 'ppl' are downloading like 3 TB a month, but thats like 10 ppl who do that in whole britain...

so Rob..ur right...all bolox in my opinion, those 10(ok well maybe 100) ppl are just fkn PC junkies...:dunce:

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10? not even that...lol

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No I said there would be people who would be downloading insane amounts. There are people who download constantly 'to get what they pay for' out of their connection. Even if they delete most of it and never use it.

Already with 3Mbit as max speed we have 1TB/month users (download and upload) which is pretty good going. Hand them a 300% speed increase they'll be yumming it up.

You also forgot about the car boot sales, they've got to keep the stalls stocked you know, and newsgroups easily provide TB of movies and games each and every day.

Thanks for telling me I talk 'bolox' with your first post on the board though, I bow to your superior knowledge ;)
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You reckon :)

You have over 1TB of drive space, you don't have that for the family photos now, do you?

As you pointed out completely opposite to where you said like £80 for 200GB storage is insanely cheap.

You seem a bit defensive on this. If you have something to confess soothe your soul now, I can't think of many legit reasons for having 1TB of space so I'd guess your connection is pretty busy :angel:

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first of all, i want to thank u for bowing to my great knowledge,(as u should i might add)

but fk me..ur right...





u still bowing?....guess not lol..:erm:

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Maybe you do get 1TB a month users.....but how many? 1,2 or maybe 3?? at most. The rest of the 2% that will exceed the limit will prop only just exceed it. Maybe 100GB or somthing like that.

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Ig, these people downloading so much, are the bods inside able to actually see what they are downloading (filenames, filesizes anything to give an idea), not just where its going and the ports to guess what traffic it is?

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Only just... Downloading 100 gig when you have a 30 gig cap is not only just exceeding the limit. 31 gig is, 100 gig isn't. 100 gig is more than three times the limit.

I'm sure Ig has some nice stats on what percentage of the bandwidth these 2% of users actually take up...

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ntl are in uncharted water (for them) with the speed increase so the bet is it will be phased in as stated in the report, depending on how the 3Mbs crowd goes will decide how soon the 1Mbs and 2Mbs customers will be boosted, then if that all goes well the unlimited options will be phased in.
They got their sums right with the last speed increase so there is a good chance that things will happen a good deal sooner then the stated timescale, hell, if it runs to the end of 2006 there will be a mass exodus long before then.
To pace things out a little ntl will probably not inform customers directly, but as before let them hear from a friendly forum.
There has been a frenzy of activity upgrading the infrastructure these past months, ntl no doubt want to get everything finished as soon as possible, then they can start to push the new services they have lined up.

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I for one am planning on a upgrade to 3mb service asap myself, this was on the cards a while back just upping the "antai" so to speak.

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1. The people saying they will jump ship, please just do it and stop saying it. However, you know you won't go because lets see how many ADSL customers out there actually have jumped ship and managed to get their full 8mb.

2. Ignition is right and anyone arguing against him is wrong. I've maxed my connection before and the only reason i don't now is because i am a family man now and can't afford to take any chances. 4.7gb DVDs are easy to come by and very, very cheap on ebay. Hard drives are 10 a penny, roughly £35 for 200gb on ebuyer. It's incredbly easy to use a download manager and use your connection 24/7, watch some stuff when you get home, delete some of the junk you downloaded, burn some of the good stuff to DVDs, put your music on your 30gb mp3 player, and then add a whole host more albums and movies etc to the manager again. If i did this recently and i know a work colleague who maxes theirs, there's your 2 people already. Unfortunately it's far more. Pretending it doesn't happen and saying it bolox unfortunately doesn't make it so.

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1/theres your 24/7 P2P download users who use both upstream and downstream

2/ then theres your newsgroup subscribers who download 24/7 also but don't use their upstream as much

3/ and then there is your more concerning downloader who will download the latest film or game maybe but not use the network 24/7 but will go over the limit per month and hardly use any upstream

4/ followed by the users who will downloaded to their allocted cap limit

5/and lastly people who just play games,browse and do the odd bit of downloading and uploading, like demos', freeware, ect,ect

Now i'm no Saint and i prob come under number 3 a fair few times, but this has only happened due to the speed increases, before that i was one of them 24/7 users as speed wasn't fast enought to get what i wanted then leave network free and unused.

So to be fair although there is those that extract the urine but to actually have a faster download speed i would have thought eased the network slightly as people like myself get what they want and then not download anything unlike before? - and i bet there is thousands of users under number 3 at present and hundreds under number 1