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Carth 06-05-2021 13:33
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36078904)
As ex-Military, it always concerns me when people who haven’t been in "the line of fire" seem keen for others (not themselves) to be placed in harm’s way… :erm:
Military or not, if anyone threatens me or family they get one warning before hell breaks loose :p:


Probably the reason I never joined up to be honest, I'd have even had the Red Arrows fitted with napalm :D

Hugh 06-05-2021 13:55
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Totally understand your reasoning on a personal level, but at a nation-state level, it's a bit different - lot more can go wrong, lot more people can get hurt.

jonbxx 06-05-2021 15:05
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36078895)
Why does Jersey have to be very friendly to France when they (fishermen) want to pillage the fishing grounds and not adhere to the licences that they have been granted?

And why hasn't France (or Jersey) invoked the formal treaty dispute mechanism?
The argument the French fisherman seem to have is that the terms of the licences they have (or indeed have not) been granted was changed at the last minute. Any changes needed to be non-discriminatory, scientifically based and notified in advance and I understand that this was not done.

Apparently, the Commission is in talks with the UK and Jersey on these changes.

That said, a lot of this will blow over at, ooh, about one minute past ten tonight...

Pierre 06-05-2021 15:38
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36078892)
Are you saying the Nazis didn't do the things I referred to? :confused:

The Telegraph is comparing the current farrago with the Nazi occupation, and highlighting part of the Nazi occupation as a positive against what is currently happening - "tone deaf" doesn't even begin to describe it.
It is obviously an attempt at humour. Not really getting exorcised over.

1andrew1 06-05-2021 15:42
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Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 36078909)
The argument the French fisherman seem to have is that the terms of the licences they have (or indeed have not) been granted was changed at the last minute. Any changes needed to be non-discriminatory, scientifically based and notified in advance and I understand that this was not done.

Apparently, the Commission is in talks with the UK and Jersey on these changes.

That said, a lot of this will blow over at, ooh, about one minute past ten tonight...
Exactly. :D

Sephiroth 06-05-2021 15:50
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 36078909)
The argument the French fisherman seem to have is that the terms of the licences they have (or indeed have not) been granted was changed at the last minute. Any changes needed to be non-discriminatory, scientifically based and notified in advance and I understand that this was not done.

Apparently, the Commission is in talks with the UK and Jersey on these changes.

That said, a lot of this will blow over at, ooh, about one minute past ten tonight...
Prolly so. Thus no need to trade blows for now!

papa smurf 06-05-2021 16:26
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
'Next time it will be WAR!' – French fishermen vow 'we will be back' after fleeing Jersey


https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...-navy-standoff


All this boat barging and bumping is just like a busy day on the Norfolk broads.

Chris 06-05-2021 16:27
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Most of the French boats cleared off around half past 3, presumably once they’d finished lunch. All quite civilised really.

Taf 06-05-2021 16:52
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The French boats made me post on another site:

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It's the French way. Don't like something? Protest and blockade, but achieve nothing.
I got grief for that from French posters of course. All blaming Brexit.

So I replied, and they all went silent.

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This is not a UK/EU thing. The UK's Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs said the self-governing Crown Dependency is "responsible for its own territorial waters".

The Channel Islands have never been part of the EU, so this has nothing to do with Brexit.

TheDaddy 06-05-2021 17:46
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36078889)
Nice to see the Telegraph being selective in their history...

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...5&d=1620297014

Forgetting to mention the other aspects, like deporting the Jewish people in Jersey to the death camps, deporting other Islanders en masse to Germany, where many died in labour camps, sending Jersey Resistance members to concentration camps, built fortifications using forced labour, which killed thousands of imported slave labourers, amongst many other horrific actions.

But at least they kept the lights on...

(my brother has lived in Jersey for nearly 30 years, having moved there in the 90s - the locals do not remember the Occupation fondly, so this headline is going down like a turd in a trifle)
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36078895)
Now you're being even sillier. The Torygraph's report is exactly correct and you're making mischief out of it. There's no way anyone other than a fool/troublemaker would interpret the report as portraying the Nazis in a positive light; it is a factual observation and portrays the French minister in a very poor light.[COLOR="Silver"]
On one of the islands they actually built a death camp for post invasion British Jews iirc. Imo if anyone is being silly it's that paper, my grandfather was sub editor or something there years ago, I doubt he'd recognise the paper now sadly.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36078900)
.... and there was Vichy France. You should lay off the Nazi thing.

The important takeaway is that the French threat to cut off power is a state-issued hostile act.
Vichy France that rounded up more Jews than the Nazis asked for, they need reminding of that at every opportunity imo until they recognise their history

Hugh 06-05-2021 18:38
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36078916)
The French boats made me post on another site:

Quote:
It's the French way. Don't like something? Protest and blockade, but achieve nothing.
I got grief for that from French posters of course. All blaming Brexit.

So I replied, and they all went silent.
Quote:
This is not a UK/EU thing. The UK's Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs said the self-governing Crown Dependency is "responsible for its own territorial waters".

The Channel Islands have never been part of the EU, so this has nothing to do with Brexit.
Mostly…

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/57001584
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Jersey's status is complicated because it is not part of the UK, and it was never part of the European Union.

It is what's known as a Crown dependency, which means it has substantial freedom from Westminster, and exercises day-to-day control over its fishing waters.

However, the UK government is ultimately responsible for its international relationships. That's why access to fishing waters around the Channel Islands are dealt with specifically in the new UK-EU trade agreement.

pip08456 06-05-2021 21:00
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36078889)
Nice to see the Telegraph being selective in their history...

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...5&d=1620297014

Forgetting to mention the other aspects, like deporting the Jewish people in Jersey to the death camps, deporting other Islanders en masse to Germany, where many died in labour camps, sending Jersey Resistance members to concentration camps, built fortifications using forced labour, which killed thousands of imported slave labourers, amongst many other horrific actions.

But at least they kept the lights on...

(my brother has lived in Jersey for nearly 30 years, having moved there in the 90s - the locals do not remember the Occupation fondly, so this headline is going down like a turd in a trifle)
In context, the headline is correct.

Hugh 06-05-2021 21:11
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36078939)
In context, the headline is correct.
Except, as posted today @12:27, post #863, it isn’t…

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Except it isn't...

https://www.theislandwiki.org/index...._and_Rationing
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Foodstuffs which had previously been scarce were now non-existent, and the Channel Islands were effectively in [Post D-Day state of siege|a state of siege]], with the Allies making no attempt to recapture them and the Germans having no intention of surrendering. The populations of the islands were squeezed in the middle, heading to starvation, and the German troops were, if anything, even more badly affected.

One by one, foodstuffs and essential commodities ran out, with no hope of replenishment until the end of the war. Gas supply ceased on 4 September and some 50 public ovens were opened by the States in various parts of St Helier. From October 1 the electricity supply became uncertain and the current was shut off each evening.
https://the-history-girls.blogspot.c...in-ww2-by.html
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By Christmas 1944, electricity was no longer available. Candles became scarce, and winter evenings were spent in semi-darkness by the light of a tin can full of oil, with a bootlace for a wick. Lack of warmth and gnawing hunger made winter on Jersey a true misery.

papa smurf 06-05-2021 21:16
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36078941)
Except, as posted today @12:27, post #863, it isn’t…

By Christmas 1944, electricity was no longer available. Candles became scarce, and winter evenings were spent in semi-darkness by the light of a tin can full of oil, with a bootlace for a wick..


Sounds like the 70s.

pip08456 06-05-2021 21:19
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36078941)
Except, as posted today @12:27, post #863, it isn’t…
Then perhaps those quotes would have been better to lead with rather than the atrocities we all know the Nazis were guilty of.


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