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Mick 06-01-2019 19:11
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35978065)
Legislation required to leave hasn’t yet been enacted in full. There were 800 pieces of secondary legislation required that could still be a stumbling block.

Leaving as the default option is a red herring.
I don't know what law book you're reading from but you're totally inaccurate.

We leave EU on 29th March 2019 That's the default Statute. There is absolutely no House procedure that can overcome statute. Statute is overturned by statute.

jfman 06-01-2019 19:14
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35978074)
I don't know what law book you're reading from but you're totally inaccurate.

We leave EU on 29th March 2019 That's the default Statute. There is absolutely no House procedure that can overcome statute. Statute is overturned by statute.
Yes, but secondary legislation is required to transpose EU law and regulations into UK law. This is presently being done by committee but could be forced into a vote in the house.

ianch99 06-01-2019 19:40
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35977960)
Are they? I would choose no deal over May’s plan
I am sorry to disappoint but how you may choose is not a representative sample.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35977957)
Well well well....A debriefing document prepared by the Greater London Authority put the number of attendees at October's People’s Vote rally at 250,000 - significantly below the campaign group's claim that they were joined by more than 700,000 people.
Do you have a link for this?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35977983)
People's opinions have changed. That's why 'leave' are petrified of another vote.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...t-peoples-vote
A new poll:

If Corbyn backs Brexit, he faces electoral catastrophe

is also important in a number of ways. Firstly it has a large sample size and secondly the results are well beyond sampling errors.

It clearly show that Corbyn's pathetic attempt to get Labour over the Brexit line in the face of overwhelming internal opposition will lead to his and Labour's electoral demise.

It also shows that people have changed their positions since 2016:

Quote:
YouGov questioned more than 25,000 people between 21 December and last Friday. It tested two referendum scenarios. If the choice is Remain versus the government’s withdrawal agreement, Remain leads by 26 points: 63% to 37%. If the choice is Remain versus leaving the EU without a deal, Remain wins by 16 points: 58% to 42%.
This section perfectly sums up where we are today:

Quote:
The larger point is that the nature of the choice has changed since 2016 – 52% voted Leave when it was a general aspiration with little apparent downside. Today support for Brexit is significantly lower when Leave is more clearly defined.

This pattern is familiar to referendums in different countries: many people support the broad idea of change, but back away when the details are laid out. They want “change”, but not “this change”.

That is clearly the case today: 80% of people who voted Leave two years ago still say they want Brexit to go ahead; but the figure falls to 69% if the choice is a “no deal” Brexit, and only 55% if the referendum offers the withdrawal agreement. The rest say they don’t know, or switch to Remain. (The respective loyalty rates on the other side – Remain voters in 2016 who would stick with Remain today – are significantly higher.)

In short, the electorate is increasingly polarised between a growing majority that wants the UK to stay in the EU and a much smaller, but still significant, segment of the electorate that wants a hard, “no deal” Brexit. There is little public appetite for compromise between these two positions.
I have highlighted the important point. This is the reality today in 2019. Yes, you can huff & puff and say "I know what I voted for" and "you are all traitors, democracy is betrayed", etc. but we are where we are today. The 'Will of the People" is that there is no mandate for a No Deal.

As for Corbyn, this:

Quote:
This polarisation poses acute problems for Jeremy Corbyn as well as Theresa May. The Labour leader fears that if his party backs a public vote and then campaigns for a Remain victory he will alienate Leave voters in Labour’s heartlands.

YouGov’s figures suggest that, far from boosting Labour’s support, Corbyn’s approach could lead to electoral catastrophe.

The conventional voting intention question produces a six-point Conservative lead (40% to 34%). This is bad enough for an opposition that ought to be reaping electoral dividends at a time when the government is in crisis.

However, when voters are asked how they would vote if Labour failed to resist Brexit, the Conservatives open up a 17-point lead (43% to 26%). That would be an even worse result than in Margaret Thatcher’s landslide victory in 1983, when Labour slumped to 209 seats, its worst result since the 1930s.

The key reason for this is that, if Labour is seen to facilitate Brexit in any form, YouGov’s results indicate that the party would be deserted by millions of Remain voters – without gaining any extra support from Leave voters.


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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35978071)
I don't think you're right §20 of the Withdrawal Act 2018 sets the Exit Day as 23:00 on 29-Mar-19. It also allows a "Minister of the Crown" to amend that date with some convoluted wording that amounts to an extension of the A50 period.

The Act makes no provision for not leaving the EU; this would require separate primary legislation which cannot be introduced except by Government. (A private member's bill will have serious difficulty finding time).

I read today that some treacherous MPs are planning to have the Finance Bill voted down, thus potentially closing government spending down, unless the government agrees to guarantee that No Deal will not be allowed. Now there's anti-democracy hard at work, thwarting an instruction from the public in the Referendum.

Of course some Remainers will define that treachery as a pure act of democracy and that is what the argument in this thread is all about.
You are basing your definition of treachery on your subjective view. No problem here but the MP's have to have a more open and objective mind. Many believe, correct in my view, that the country has arrived at a position where it could result in serious self harm if it proceeds in No Deal direction assuming May's deal is voted down.

You may wish to risk this potential harm on the country but Parliament is not as gung ho as you. They need to consider the jobs & prosperity of the country and many, if not the majority, conclude that a No Deal is not in the best interests of the country.

This is their job after all ...

Dave42 06-01-2019 19:56
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35978052)
Indeed. Remain lost three times: Referendum, election and commons A50 vote.
em the people voted for vast majority remain MP parliament and there way a no deal will get past parliament but we have to see what happens when May's deal get voted down in parliament

1andrew1 06-01-2019 20:52
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35978072)
You can’t have three questions, it has to be binary.
Whilst I don't think there will be a referendum and nor do I want one, there is no law that says it has to be binary. There are lots of ways of formulating a referendum...and that in itself has potential for controversy.

Pierre 06-01-2019 22:18
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35978076)
I am sorry to disappoint but how you may choose is not a representative sample.
Nor are the polls!

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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35978085)
Whilst I don't think there will be a referendum and nor do I want one, there is no law that says it has to be binary. There are lots of ways of formulating a referendum...and that in itself has potential for controversy.
But to replicate the original vote, it has to be a binary choice.

Carth 06-01-2019 22:51
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35978085)
There are lots of ways of formulating a referendum...and that in itself has potential for controversy.
It certainly does, for example a 3 choice vote consisting of:

*No Deal
*Mays Deal
*Remain

would effectively split the 'leaving' votes while leaving the Remain votes as they were.

It would have to be Binary . . but since there won't be one it's just hot air ;)

1andrew1 06-01-2019 23:29
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35978092)
It certainly does, for example a 3 choice vote consisting of:

*No Deal
*Mays Deal
*Remain

would effectively split the 'leaving' votes while leaving the Remain votes as they were.

It would have to be Binary . . but since there won't be one it's just hot air ;)
A referendum is unlikely in my opinion but need not be binary. You could have transferable votes when one option is eliminated and the votes transfer to the second choice, for example.
The example you provide also splits the historic remain vote as I'm sure that some previous remain-voters would now vote for her deal and not remain.

Chris 06-01-2019 23:48
Re: Brexit
 
At the risk of going blue in the face.

A referendum bill cannot pass Parliament without Government assistance. There is not time. There will not be another referendum unless it is government policy. It is not government policy, therefore it won’t happen.

We’re leaving in March, either with May’s deal or no deal.

Dave42 06-01-2019 23:54
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35978094)
At the risk of going blue in the face.

A referendum bill cannot pass Parliament without Government assistance. There is not time. There will not be another referendum unless it is government policy. It is not government policy, therefore it won’t happen.

We’re leaving in March, either with May’s deal or no deal.
May said again on tv today no Brexit at all though

1andrew1 07-01-2019 00:17
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35978094)
At the risk of going blue in the face.

A referendum bill cannot pass Parliament without Government assistance. There is not time. There will not be another referendum unless it is government policy. It is not government policy, therefore it won’t happen.

We’re leaving in March, either with May’s deal or no deal.
I don't think a referendum is likely but interestingly Theresa May has moderated here language on it today, stating it was her “own view” that a second vote would divide the country.
Governments can move quickly if need be. How long does it physically need to pass such legislation? A day? We're in uncharted territory here so nothing can be ruled out.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35978090)
But to replicate the original vote, it has to be a binary choice.
Obviously as that's the definition of replicate. The pertinent question here is - does it have to replicate the 2016 referendum?
But all pretty hypothetical to me as I think a second referendum unlikely.

Chris 07-01-2019 00:22
Re: Brexit
 
Her language acknowledges that when Parliament reconvenes, some arch-remainers May try to insert an amendment in the vote on the deal to make it contingent on a second referendum. Have no doubt, this argument is going to come up, and May is setting out her position in advance.

However, regardless of anything Parliament decides, there is not time to actually pass a referendum bill before we leave anyway. All they risk is forcing us to hold a referendum having already left with no deal. This has been her strategy for some weeks now - run the clock down. It’s her deal or no deal. We’re leaving in March. Article 50 will not be rescinded before we leave.

1andrew1 07-01-2019 01:30
Re: Brexit
 
Good to see some MPs sticking up for the manufacturing sector.
Quote:
More than 200 MPs want PM to rule out no-deal Brexit
The politicians are from the Conservative, Labour, Liberal Democrat, SNP and Plaid Cymru parties and the letter was written by Meriden MP Caroline Spelman and Birmingham Erdington MP Jack Dromey.
The group is concerned about the effect of a no-deal Brexit on the manufacturing industry.
https://news.sky.com/story/more-than...rexit-11600823

Paul 07-01-2019 04:22
Re: Brexit
 
Im sure there is no self interest there at all :erm:

Damien 07-01-2019 07:15
Re: Brexit
 
With Article 50 it is thought that the EU will allow an extension if they feel there is proper reason for one, I.e not to just have longer negotiations.

Mick 07-01-2019 08:15
Re: Brexit
 
Over 200 cowards then that can’t see that if the UK plays a tough hand and that we’re prepared to walk away, we can fight for a much better deal. But oh no, they want to show weakness.

mrmistoffelees 07-01-2019 08:59
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35978106)
Over 200 cowards then that can’t see that if the UK plays a tough hand and that we’re prepared to walk away, we can fight for a much better deal. But oh no, they want to show weakness.
Do you actually have any evidence to support this will happen? Has there been any simulations or projections to show this would happen? I don't think there has to my knowledge.

We made the decision to leave the EU, we do not get to dictate the terms of how we exit. It's very simple.

Damien 07-01-2019 09:15
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35978090)
Nor are the polls!
Irrespective of if you think the polls are accurate or not they are literally meant to be a representative sample.

mrmistoffelees 07-01-2019 09:58
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35978094)
At the risk of going blue in the face.

A referendum bill cannot pass Parliament without Government assistance. There is not time. There will not be another referendum unless it is government policy. It is not government policy, therefore it won’t happen.

We’re leaving in March, either with May’s deal or no deal.
Small wager for charity that the above isn't the case?

Article 50 is extended
New referendum to follow

papa smurf 07-01-2019 10:07
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 35978113)
Small wager for charity that the above isn't the case?

Article 50 is extended
New referendum to follow
Just wondering if you have a date booked for the civil war that remainers are steering us towards ,17.4 million voters aren't going to just sit on their hands and watch their vote thrown in the garbage.

mrmistoffelees 07-01-2019 10:22
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35978114)
Just wondering if you have a date booked for the civil war that remainers are steering us towards ,17.4 million voters aren't going to just sit on their hands and watch their vote thrown in the garbage.
Why? it's not a legally binding vote?

However, since we're now speculating wildly, rather that than the civil war how about the one that occurs when the economy crashes, house prices crash, food shortage, thousands/hundreds of thousands/millions lose their jobs.

The whole Brexit conundrum is due to the closeness of the vote. And realistically now we know the options that are available to us surely another vote is whats required. Democracy does not usurp democracy.

Mr K 07-01-2019 10:53
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35978114)
Just wondering if you have a date booked for the civil war that remainers are steering us towards ,17.4 million voters aren't going to just sit on their hands and watch their vote thrown in the garbage.
Civil War ? Fantastic I've always fancied being a Roundhead ! :D

Be honest it will just be ratty comments in forums, and the Torygraph. People don't 'do' anything any longer. The Brexit Brigade would need Help the Aged as allies in a 'War' anyway..... ;)

Mick 07-01-2019 11:12
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 35978116)
Why? it's not a legally binding vote?

However, since we're now speculating wildly, rather that than the civil war how about the one that occurs when the economy crashes, house prices crash, food shortage, thousands/hundreds of thousands/millions lose their jobs.

The whole Brexit conundrum is due to the closeness of the vote. And realistically now we know the options that are available to us surely another vote is whats required. Democracy does not usurp democracy.
And if the closeness of the result of another referendum occurs again - do we keep going, having referendum after referendum until the people vote the right way ?

Sorry, but that is not a true democracy to me that people fought hard and died for.

It is irrelevant that the referendum in 2016 was not binding, however it was one of the largest democratic processes this country has ever undertaken, and over a million more people voted to leave than Remain.

All the claptrap about job losses, people losing their houses is just fear mongering rubbish, 90% of the growth in world trade will be OUTSIDE of the EU. We do not need to be in a corrupted EU to do trade deals with less than 10% of the Worlds trade.

Democracy decided that we leave, so leave we must.

jfman 07-01-2019 11:52
Re: Brexit
 
Nobody fought and died for this shambles.

Mick 07-01-2019 11:57
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35978119)
Nobody fought and died for this shambles.
The vote to leave is not shambolic, that is called democracy and yes, people DID fight and die for true democracy, despite what you say! :dunce:

It's only shambolic because there is no Brexiteer leading the way, this is on the Remainer MPs and civil servants trying to thwart/sabotage the leaving process.

Stephen 07-01-2019 12:31
Re: Brexit
 
No one is thwarting or sabotaging the process intentionally. Its just a total shambles and no-one can negotiate a decent deal.

jfman 07-01-2019 12:34
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35978120)
The vote to leave is not shambolic, that is called democracy and yes, people DID fight and die for true democracy, despite what you say! :dunce:

It's only shambolic because there is no Brexiteer leading the way, this is on the Remainer MPs and civil servants trying to thwart/sabotage the leaving process.
I didn’t say the actual vote was a shambles, the implementation is.

Brexit should have been a series of referenda following the vote to leave about the type of Brexit - that way there’d a be a clear message to Parliament about the will of the people and a mandate to negotiate with the EU on that basis.

denphone 07-01-2019 12:44
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35978122)
I didn’t say the actual vote was a shambles, the implementation is.

Brexit should have been a series of referenda following the vote to leave about the type of Brexit - that way there’d a be a clear message to Parliament about the will of the people and a mandate to negotiate with the EU on that basis.
Pretty much spot on with your analysis..

mrmistoffelees 07-01-2019 13:33
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35978118)
And if the closeness of the result of another referendum occurs again - do we keep going, having referendum after referendum until the people vote the right way ?

Sorry, but that is not a true democracy to me that people fought hard and died for.

It is irrelevant that the referendum in 2016 was not binding, however it was one of the largest democratic processes this country has ever undertaken, and over a million more people voted to leave than Remain.

All the claptrap about job losses, people losing their houses is just fear mongering rubbish, 90% of the growth in world trade will be OUTSIDE of the EU. We do not need to be in a corrupted EU to do trade deals with less than 10% of the Worlds trade.

Democracy decided that we leave, so leave we must.
Brexit has nothing to do with what people fought and died your statement is a diversion meant to stir an emotive response.

It's completely relevant that the referendum is non binding because we can if we choose just ignore the entire thing (we wont obviously)

My response regarding job losses house price collapse etc was as my post stated a wild hypothesis in response to someone else's claims regarding civil war. However it's nice to know we can ignore all the forecasting and prediction models because you claim it's rubbish. If you can provide any predictions or modelling to show that there would be an upturn in the economy then place them here and let's see them.

I wonder how long it would take to strike these trade deals with countries outside of the EU and what happens in between the ending of the transition phase to implementation of new trade deals HINT it's a damn site longer than two years.


Finally 'Democracy decided that we leave, so leave we must.'

Wrong, that's just your opinion not fact. Democracy means we can if we wish take as many goes as we like.

The original referendum was badly flawed, we should again having a far better idea of the options repeat the process and lets see if turkeys still vote for Christmas.

ianch99 07-01-2019 13:34
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 35978113)
Small wager for charity that the above isn't the case?

Article 50 is extended
New referendum to follow
If May is defeated then this is what will happen ...

mrmistoffelees 07-01-2019 13:39
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35978120)
The vote to leave is not shambolic, that is called democracy and yes, people DID fight and die for true democracy, despite what you say! :dunce:

It's only shambolic because there is no Brexiteer leading the way, this is on the Remainer MPs and civil servants trying to thwart/sabotage the leaving process.
if a Brexiteer was to lead the way, what difference do you think it would make and how would a Brexiteer would be able to influence the EU in the deal offered ?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35978131)
If May is defeated then this is what will happen ...
Its a given she will be defeated there's no further supposed 'reassurances' appeared on the table. the DUP etc will not vote with the government. there's huge cross party adversity to the deal.

It now comes down to if Mrs. May is prepared to move forwards with a no deal scenario. Which she won't she doesn't have the power within in her own party and cross the board MP's are prepared to stand up to her.

I'll put money on an extension and referendum

Mick 07-01-2019 13:42
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35978131)
If May is defeated then this is what will happen ...
No it won't - the government is the executive, no one else can dictate what happens next, not even parliament. As I said earlier on, it requires a Statute to over turn a Statute and currently the Brexit day is written in to Statute.

We leave on 29th March 2019.

mrmistoffelees 07-01-2019 13:47
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35978134)
No it won't - the government is the executive, no one else can dictate what happens next, not even parliament. As I said earlier on, it requires a Statute to over turn a Statute and currently the Brexit day is written in to Statute.

We leave on 29th March 2019.
Want to bet ? £100 to the charity of mutually agreed choice.

Mr K 07-01-2019 13:49
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 35978136)
Want to bet ? £100 to the charity of mutually agreed choice.
Now there's a good wager. Is Mick a sporting Gent ? ;)

papa smurf 07-01-2019 14:07
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35978137)
Now there's a good wager. Is Mick a sporting Gent ? ;)
Gambling is for idiots,lets not encourage it :(

Chris 07-01-2019 14:09
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 35978113)
Small wager for charity that the above isn't the case?

Article 50 is extended
New referendum to follow
What, is it 1880 all of a sudden?

I don’t gamble, for any reason or cause. It ruins lives.

mrmistoffelees 07-01-2019 14:10
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35978142)
What, is it 1880 all of a sudden?

I don’t gamble, for any reason or cause. It ruins lives.
Fair enough :)

Mr K 07-01-2019 14:17
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35978142)
What, is it 1880 all of a sudden?

I don’t gamble, for any reason or cause. It ruins lives.
A duel then ? Pistols or swords? Or are we getting back to Civil War again ?

ianch99 07-01-2019 14:22
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35978142)
What, is it 1880 all of a sudden?

I don’t gamble, for any reason or cause. It ruins lives.
No Deal is a gamble and will ruin lives .. so I guess you don't support this then?

mrmistoffelees 07-01-2019 14:22
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35978145)
A duel then ? Pistols or swords? Or are we getting back to Civil War again ?
I do love a good bit of glove slapping :erm:

ianch99 07-01-2019 14:23
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35978141)
Gambling is for idiots,lets not encourage it :(
I guess you don't play the National Lottery then? ;)

papa smurf 07-01-2019 14:25
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35978150)
I guess you don't play the National Lottery then? ;)
No


My Mr's worked at ladbrokes for 12 years i went in once to pick up the front door key,that's the only time i've ever been close to the gambling set.

jfman 07-01-2019 14:26
Re: Brexit
 
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...no-deal-brexit

Popcorn time.

Hugh 07-01-2019 14:26
Re: Brexit
 
1 Attachment(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 35978149)
I do love a good bit of glove slapping :erm:
And pearl clutching...

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...9&d=1546871150

mrmistoffelees 07-01-2019 14:31
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35978141)
Gambling is for idiots,lets not encourage it :(
No, irresponsible gambling is for idiots.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35978153)
You've lost me on that one :)

Hugh 07-01-2019 15:25
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 35978154)
No, irresponsible gambling is for idiots.

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You've lost me on that one :)
As in...

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2019/01/1.png

Carth 07-01-2019 15:43
Re: Brexit
 
*Carths 1st attempt at a 'no deal' Brexit doomsday scenario*


Food Shortages: People will be starving to death because they are unable to buy the expensive exotic foods that they have become accustomed to. Fortunately a great many will survive because egg n chips, sausage n mash, pie n peas and even cheese on toast will be available.

Job Losses: I'm afraid this will not come to pass. Due to 1/6 of the nation starving to death (see above) there will be plenty of jobs to go round . . we may even have to beg for foreign workers.

Housing Shortages: There will be an initial drop in the amount of homes available due to the very rich among us instantly buying as many houses as they can in order to make a quick buck. However, after two months we should see plenty of homes becoming once more empty and affordable . . . due to it being the rich that are the 1/6th in the first paragraph.

NHS Crisis: This will be averted quite easily by people living a much healthier lifestyle. When motor cars and fuel are no longer being imported, push bikes will be the choice of transport for many. The demise of the large supermarket chains (due to no imports) will also lead to people eating healthier . . and many will not bother with the Macdonalds 'drive through' if they're on a pushbike. Medicinal drugs won't be an issue as the entrepreneurs in their new 5 bed homes will be growing cannabis and flood the market with this powerful painkiller.

Crime: Expect to see a massive reduction in crime because the police can concentrate on criminals instead of targeting motorists . . except for the occasional case of being caught '2 up' on a pushbike. Cannabis growers will be given 'exemption from prosecution' status, as they're the ones keeping the NHS afloat.

Holidays and Leisure: Caravan makers and Butlins will see a resurgence in fortunes

Hugh 07-01-2019 15:48
Re: Brexit
 
Seems about par for the course...

Only one small problem

Quote:
Most people think Britain only imports about 50% of its food. But the reality is that 80% of food is imported, including basics such as carrots and tea.
Quote:
In a research note to clients dated January 3, HSBC analyst David McCarthy and his team wrote, "It is widely believed that 50% of food is imported into the UK," he wrote. Among Conservative party members, 76% believe warnings about a no-deal Brexit are "exaggerated or invented, and in reality leaving without a deal would not cause serious disruption," according to a recent YouGov poll.

The 50% statistic underrepresents the reality, McCarthy says. In reality, "80% of food is imported into the UK," he wrote. The lower number "defines food processed in the UK as UK food, even though the ingredients may have been imported. For example, tea is processed in the UK, but we grow no tea — it is all imported. When ingredients are counted as imported, the real figure is over 80%."

Food shortages would happen within days of Britain's current customs arrangements becoming defunct. "As one ex CEO said at our Chairman's Conference in November: 'Carrots for sale in the supermarket on Thursday were in the ground in Spain on Monday,'

Carrots will stay fresh if you keep them chilled, of course. But the UK's frozen food storage capacity is already 100% used, according to various press reports. "In preparation for a worst-case scenario, retailers and suppliers have been stockpiling in the UK and press reports have highlighted that there is now no unused frozen food capacity in the UK," HSBC says.
Difficult to display our normal sang-froid without a nice cuppa...

jfman 07-01-2019 15:50
Re: Brexit
 
That sounds quite good actually. Previous generations always had something to regulate population growth. World war, famine, Spanish flu, beubonic plague, etc.

denphone 07-01-2019 15:56
Re: Brexit
 
l see this went rather well today..

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...no-deal-brexit

Mr K 07-01-2019 16:11
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35978174)
Seems about par for the course...

Only one small problem





Difficult to display our normal sang-froid without a nice cuppa...
We'll be alright Hugh, we've got Yorkshire Tea ;)

Carth 07-01-2019 16:16
Re: Brexit
 
I'm a coffee drinker . . perhaps I'll need to find a substitute . . alcoholic preferably :D

Mr K 07-01-2019 16:20
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35978181)
I'm a coffee drinker . . perhaps I'll need to find a substitute . . alcoholic preferably :D
Well most of the the micro breweries I've been round import their hops....

mrmistoffelees 07-01-2019 16:26
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35978170)
I would say I'm not like that, but of course your view is yours :)

---------- Post added at 16:26 ---------- Previous post was at 16:24 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35978176)
l see this went rather well today..

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...no-deal-brexit

Well thats my trust in the government fully restored, I mean.. what could possibly go wrong

Mick 07-01-2019 16:32
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 35978136)
Want to bet ? £100 to the charity of mutually agreed choice.
I’m with Chris. Don’t bet on anything for any reason.

jonbxx 07-01-2019 16:51
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35978174)
Seems about par for the course...

Only one small problem





Difficult to display our normal sang-froid without a nice cuppa...
I learnt an interesting point about agriculture in temperate climates such as ours. There is a gap in April and May when the winter veg has been harvested and no new major crops are ready - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungry_gap

It is at this time that the UK imports most of its fresh food from other countries. Let's hope nothing around the start of April will hinder any food imports..

mrmistoffelees 07-01-2019 16:58
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35978152)
Interesting..

So, If Teresa May's deal is rejected. (which looks likely)

And the below is true

'Many of us have been clear that parliament will not allow a no-deal situation to unfold, and with less than 12 weeks to go until 29 March it is time for parliament to show our opposition to a no-deal exit'

Where does that put the country at apart from the inevitable impasse. I can only think that this goes back to my earlier comment about an extension to Article 50

Pierre 07-01-2019 17:07
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 35978130)
Brexit has nothing to do with what people fought and died your statement is a diversion meant to stir an emotive response.
you mean like

Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees
when the economy crashes, house prices crash, food shortage, thousands/hundreds of thousands/millions lose their jobs.


---------- Post added at 17:07 ---------- Previous post was at 17:05 ----------

Quote:
However it's nice to know we can ignore all the forecasting and prediction models because you claim it's rubbish.
I claim it's rubbish too.

Mr K 07-01-2019 17:08
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35978186)
I’m with Chris. Don’t bet on anything for any reason.
Probably wise Mick.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8715656.html
Quote:
.A minister has said the UK may have to delay Brexit if MPs reject the deal agreed between Theresa May and the European Union.

Pierre 07-01-2019 17:11
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35978193)
Does the article go so far as to propose how that might happen?

mrmistoffelees 07-01-2019 17:13
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35978191)
you mean like



---------- Post added at 17:07 ---------- Previous post was at 17:05 ----------



I claim it's rubbish too.

Go back, read my post again, and this time put in the part you conveniently ignored

Actually I'll post the preceding part for you \However, since we're now speculating wildly'

You claim it's rubbish too? Try reading things properly it's enlightening ;)

Mr K 07-01-2019 17:16
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35978195)
Does the article go so far as to propose how that might happen?
Probably via the clause in Article 50, which says it can be extended if the EU agree (which they would rather than have no deal)..

Carth 07-01-2019 17:21
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35978197)
Probably via the clause in Article 50, which says it can be extended if the EU agree (which they would rather than have no deal)..
So you think they're maybe open to further negotiation then? Mrs May would welcome that . .

jfman 07-01-2019 17:23
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 35978190)
Interesting..

So, If Teresa May's deal is rejected. (which looks likely)

And the below is true

'Many of us have been clear that parliament will not allow a no-deal situation to unfold, and with less than 12 weeks to go until 29 March it is time for parliament to show our opposition to a no-deal exit'

Where does that put the country at apart from the inevitable impasse. I can only think that this goes back to my earlier comment about an extension to Article 50
It’s exactly the type of constitutional crisis I’ve been describing for some time that allows the decision to go back to the people with the Conservatives blaming Labour and vice versa, so neither party has to take the fall for it.

If the 2nd ref comes back with a decisive result like 60-40 then jobs a good un. They can get back to the day job and tell the people it’s what they wanted.

mrmistoffelees 07-01-2019 17:28
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35978199)
It’s exactly the type of constitutional crisis I’ve been describing for some time that allows the decision to go back to the people with the Conservatives blaming Labour and vice versa, so neither party has to take the fall for it.

If the 2nd ref comes back with a decisive result like 60-40 then jobs a good un. They can get back to the day job and tell the people it’s what they wanted.
Bingo......

---------- Post added at 17:28 ---------- Previous post was at 17:26 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35978198)
So you think they're maybe open to further negotiation then? Mrs May would welcome that . .
The EU have quite clearly categorically stated that the deal offered is the only deal being offered. No changes merely clarifications on meanings.

Carth 07-01-2019 17:29
Re: Brexit
 
a decisive result like 60-40 . . . yep I'd go for 'leave' winning with that margin too :D

mrmistoffelees 07-01-2019 17:41
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35978202)
a decisive result like 60-40 . . . yep I'd go for 'leave' winning with that margin too :D

I have absolutely no problem with leaving the EU if the people choose even by the original margin. What I have an issue is that people made a decision without having the facts in front of them.


Dr to family: We would like to remove the patients treatment. It's causing discomfort to the patient and it's costing a large amount of money.

Patients family: Well, what happens if we do remove it?

Dr: Well, we won't really know until after we remove it, there's a chance it could be OK with other medication, but we just don't know

Patients family: OK, well it could be OK so lets try it.


Fast forward two years...

Dr: Well, since we agreed all this, studies have shown that there will be short - mid term discomfort with a real chance of significant pain and the patient may not recover fully. But since this is what you asked for we're going to carry on.

Patients family: Ummmmmm

Dr: We can try and see if the existing medication will work better, but the manufactures say that this is all it will do and no new treatments are available

Patients family: Ummmmmm, Could we think about it again ?

Hospital security guard: No..., no you can't, you can either have the existing medication or nothing at all

djfunkdup 07-01-2019 17:55
Re: Brexit
 
ROFL :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

















:sick:

Carth 07-01-2019 19:36
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 35978204)
What I have an issue is that people made a decision without having the facts in front of them.
but we did have the facts in front of us . . do you want to leave or remain

the choice was about as simple as you could possibly get. If you wanted to complicate matters with statistical analysis of how good or bad each choice was, you should have said so before the vote, not after it :p:

Angua 07-01-2019 19:52
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35978226)
but we did have the facts in front of us . . do you want to leave or remain

the choice was about as simple as you could possibly get. If you wanted to complicate matters with statistical analysis of how good or bad each choice was, you should have said so before the vote, not after it :p:
No. What we had were the wish lists of either side, with no concrete idea of what the negotiations following a leave vote would actually mean. Let alone the claims of the leave campaign that the EU needed us more than we needed them.

ianch99 07-01-2019 19:56
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35978226)
but we did have the facts in front of us . . do you want to leave or remain

the choice was about as simple as you could possibly get. If you wanted to complicate matters with statistical analysis of how good or bad each choice was, you should have said so before the vote, not after it :p:
Those are 2 words not 2 facts ...

I know, complicating matter with facts? Outrageous :)

jfman 07-01-2019 20:04
Re: Brexit
 
The irony is had the leave campaign had any kind of awareness they should have pushed for a second referendum on the terms of leaving immediately in July/August 2016.

A clear and indisputable public mandate for our politicians to follow, and over two years in which to work towards it.

Mr K 07-01-2019 20:18
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by djfunkdup (Post 35978206)
ROFL :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

















:sick:
A carefully thought out and articulate contribution to the debate as always ;)
p.s. think you might need to extend/restart/cancel that countdown clock of yours !

djfunkdup 07-01-2019 21:07
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35978233)
p.s. think you might need to extend/restart/cancel that countdown clock of yours !
You have been telling me that for almost 2 years :D:D lol Bless.

Nearly there don't panic have a nice cup of tea :)

Hugh 07-01-2019 21:13
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by djfunkdup (Post 35978241)
You have been telling me that for almost 2 years :D:D lol Bless.

Nearly there don't panic have a nice cup of tea :)
Whilst you can... ;)

1andrew1 07-01-2019 21:16
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by djfunkdup (Post 35978241)
You have been telling me that for almost 2 years :D:D lol Bless.

Nearly there don't panic have a nice cup of tea :)
The fact that Mr K has been telling you that for two years doesn't make him wrong. This one's going to the wire and possibly beyond. https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...mps-job-losses

Sephiroth 07-01-2019 21:23
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35978242)
Whilst you can... ;)
What tea won't we be able to get after no deal Brexit?

Mick 07-01-2019 21:23
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 35978130)
Brexit has nothing to do with what people fought and died your statement is a diversion meant to stir an emotive response.
I never said it did - re-read my comments - I said people fought and died for true freedoms and democracy, so I certainly know and I stick to my original comment that they fought and died for democracy.

Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees
It's completely relevant that the referendum is non binding because we can if we choose just ignore the entire thing (we wont obviously)
Yes because that is what democracy chose, you know what people fought and died for.

Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees
My response regarding job losses house price collapse etc was as my post stated a wild hypothesis in response to someone else's claims regarding civil war. However it's nice to know we can ignore all the forecasting and prediction models because you claim it's rubbish. If you can provide any predictions or modelling to show that there would be an upturn in the economy then place them here and let's see them.
Yeah, all the dire predictions that were said would happen after a leave decision never happened, you know the recession, job losses, WW3 etc...

Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistofelees
I wonder how long it would take to strike these trade deals with countries outside of the EU and what happens in between the ending of the transition phase to implementation of new trade deals HINT it's a damn site longer than two years.
A lot bloody faster than it is now being stuck in a corrupted EU.

Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistofelees
Wrong, that's just your opinion not fact. Democracy means we can if we wish take as many goes as we like.
Nope I am not wrong - we only need to decide just the once, you know the meaning of a once in a life time vote don't you? :dozey:

Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistofelees
The original referendum was badly flawed, we should again having a far better idea of the options repeat the process and lets see if turkeys still vote for Christmas.
And what makes you think a second referendum won't be flawed like the first?

It will be the same as before - division and mis information from both camps just like the first....

jfman 07-01-2019 21:38
Re: Brexit
 
Surely in fighting and dying for freedom that includes the freedom to change their minds.

Being stuck to an ideologically driven and economically damaging because at one point in time and in the absence of facts a decision was made once sounds like exactly the kind of fascism we fought against. The Nazis won an election in 1933, after all.

pip08456 07-01-2019 21:39
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35978226)
but we did have the facts in front of us . . do you want to leave or remain

the choice was about as simple as you could possibly get. If you wanted to complicate matters with statistical analysis of how good or bad each choice was, you should have said so before the vote, not after it :p:

Hugh 07-01-2019 21:39
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35978244)
What tea won't we be able to get after no deal Brexit?
From post #5848
Quote:
In a research note to clients dated January 3, HSBC analyst David McCarthy and his team wrote, "It is widely believed that 50% of food is imported into the UK," he wrote. Among Conservative party members, 76% believe warnings about a no-deal Brexit are "exaggerated or invented, and in reality leaving without a deal would not cause serious disruption," according to a recent YouGov poll.

The 50% statistic underrepresents the reality, McCarthy says. In reality, "80% of food is imported into the UK," he wrote. The lower number "defines food processed in the UK as UK food, even though the ingredients may have been imported. For example, tea is processed in the UK, but we grow no tea — it is all imported. When ingredients are counted as imported, the real figure is over 80%."

Food shortages would happen within days of Britain's current customs arrangements becoming defunct. "As one ex CEO said at our Chairman's Conference in November: 'Carrots for sale in the supermarket on Thursday were in the ground in Spain on Monday,'

Carrots will stay fresh if you keep them chilled, of course. But the UK's frozen food storage capacity is already 100% used, according to various press reports. "In preparation for a worst-case scenario, retailers and suppliers have been stockpiling in the UK and press reports have highlighted that there is now no unused frozen food capacity in the UK," HSBC says.

Mick 07-01-2019 21:43
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35978247)
Surely in fighting and dying for freedom that includes the freedom to change their minds.

Being stuck to an ideologically driven and economically damaging because at one point in time and in the absence of facts a decision was made once sounds like exactly the kind of fascism we fought against. The Nazis won an election in 1933, after all.
Godwin's law strikes again... FFS give it a rest. :zzz: :rolleyes:

There is no evidence of anyone changing their minds, polls do not cut it I am afraid.

jfman 07-01-2019 21:46
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35978250)
Godwin's law strikes again... FFS give it a rest. :zzz: :rolleyes:

There is no evidence of anyone changing their minds, polls do not cut it I am afraid.
So how do you propose establishing whether people have changed their mind or not? Second referendum?

Or are you wanting to dictate to people that they can't change their mind?

Mick 07-01-2019 21:51
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35978252)
So how do you propose establishing whether people have changed their mind or not? Second referendum?

Or are you wanting to dictate to people that they can't change their mind?
WTF are you on about?

There is no pre-requisite to establishing anything, nothing needs to be established, people already decided in 2016!!!! :dozey:

You're the one wanting people to have changed their minds because YOU don't like the result of the first - we had a vote, only one vote is necessary, we do not keep having the same bloody vote again and again.

People chose to leave the EU, so leave the EU we must.

jfman 07-01-2019 21:53
Re: Brexit
 
That's fine, so we go back to what I said above.

Being stuck to an ideologically driven and economically damaging because at one point in time and in the absence of facts a decision was made once sounds like exactly the kind of fascism we fought against.

pip08456 07-01-2019 21:58
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35978249)
From post #5848
I didn't know the EU had a trade deal with Kenya? Where did that one come from.

I'm sure the UK could make one reasonably quickly to secure the continued benefit of their tea industry. Possibly the same with India perhaps to a lesser extent.

It's amazing how remainers keep going on about the EU being the better trading block without considering how much the UK currently imports from outside of the EU and did so before membership.

Tea is a classic example of that ( we are the "nation of tea drinkers").

I may have to stockpile coffee though, but beer's always an alternative.

https://www.statista.com/chart/13062...tea-come-from/

Mick 07-01-2019 22:02
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35978254)
That's fine, so we go back to what I said above.

Being stuck to an ideologically driven and economically damaging because at one point in time and in the absence of facts a decision was made once sounds like exactly the kind of fascism we fought against.
No we do not go back to what you said above because I do not believe Brexit is Economically damaging, that's a Remainer fantasy and ideology, not mine!!! :dozey:

---------- Post added at 22:02 ---------- Previous post was at 21:58 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35978256)
I didn't know the EU had a trade deal with Kenya? Where did that one come from.

I'm sure the UK could make one reasonably quickly to secure the continued benefit of their tea industry. Possibly the same with India perhaps to a lesser extent.

It's amazing how remainers keep going on about the EU being the better trading block without considering how much the UK currently imports from outside of the EU and did so before membership.

Tea is a classic example of that ( we are the "nation of tea drinkers").

I may have to stockpile coffee though, but beer's always an alternative.

https://www.statista.com/chart/13062...tea-come-from/
It's also amazing that they keep skipping over the issue that 90% of the growth in world trade will be outside of the EU.... yet somehow, for some bizarre reason, they want us stuck in a 10% bubble with a corrupted and cancerous entity that does nothing but hinder us and has done for decades. :rolleyes:

jfman 07-01-2019 22:06
Re: Brexit
 
If leaving the EU was economically a good idea the Conservatives would have an agreed position - however they don’t. Politicians have a survival instinct where they don’t want to lose elections and they know the damage will leave them all fighting for their political lives.

1andrew1 07-01-2019 22:10
Re: Brexit
 
Hope everyone's enjoying The Uncivil War on Channel 4 right now.

In the meantime, the pro-Brexit Daily Telegraph has an interesting exclusive that will dismay leavers.
Quote:
British and European officials are discussing the possibility of extending Article 50 amid fears a Brexit deal will not be completed by March 29, the Telegraph can reveal.
Three separate EU sources confirmed that UK officials had been “putting out feelers” and “testing the waters” on an Article 50 extension, even as the Government said it had no intention of asking to extend the negotiating period.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...sion-discreet/

Mick 07-01-2019 22:18
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35978261)
Hope everyone's enjoying The Uncivil War on Channel 4 right now.

In the meantime, the pro-Brexit Daily Telegraph has an interesting exclusive that will dismay leavers.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...sion-discreet/
Nope didn't watch it...

Nope don't feel dismayed - Clock is still ticking down..... ;)

pip08456 07-01-2019 22:19
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35978261)
Hope everyone's enjoying The Uncivil War on Channel 4 right now.

In the meantime, the pro-Brexit Daily Telegraph has an interesting exclusive that will dismay leavers.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...sion-discreet/
The EU have already said that there will be no change on the withdrawal agreement on offer.

I just wish people would not refer to it as a deal, it is not, never has and never will be.

The sticking point is the backstop agreement. Unless the EU give assurances on it being a fixed term then there is no chance of passing in Parliament.

The EU have been consistant on if the withdrawal agreement is not accepted the there will be no talks on a DEAL!

jfman 07-01-2019 22:20
Re: Brexit
 
If Theresa May rules something out I’d head down to the bookies and stick my mortgage on it.

As sure fire as shorting the pound on the 23rd June 2016 after 10pm using privately commissioned exit poll data.

1andrew1 07-01-2019 22:27
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35978262)
Nope didn't watch it...

Nope don't feel dismayed - Clock is still ticking down..... ;)
It's still on now and obvs on catch-up if you feel inclined.
The clock may need some new batteries. ;)

pip08456 07-01-2019 23:12
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35978265)
If Theresa May rules something out I’d head down to the bookies and stick my mortgage on it.

As sure fire as shorting the pound on the 23rd June 2016 after 10pm using privately commissioned exit poll data.
Go and do it then.

1andrew1 07-01-2019 23:22
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35978265)
As sure fire as shorting the pound on the 23rd June 2016 after 10pm using privately commissioned exit poll data.
There was nothing wrong in commissioning poll data and using it to short the Pound.
What strikes me as strange was Farage conceding defeat in the knowledge that his private polls said leave would win.

jfman 07-01-2019 23:29
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35978268)
There was nothing wrong in commissioning poll data and using it to short the Pound.
What strikes me as strange was Farage conceding defeat in the knowledge that his private polls said leave would win.
I’d go as far as nothing illegal. However Farage’s statement and the public exit poll manipulated the market.

pip08456 07-01-2019 23:49
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35978269)
I’d go as far as nothing illegal. However Farage’s statement and the public exit poll manipulated the market.
So let's get this right. You've a problem with Farage and how the market was manipulated but no problem with George Soros who has been manipultating markets for years?

Quote:
Soros began his business career by taking various jobs at merchant banks in England and then the United States, before starting his first hedge fund, Double Eagle, in 1969. Profits from his first fund furnished the seed money to start Soros Fund Management, his second hedge fund, in 1970. Double Eagle was renamed to Quantum Fund and was the principal firm Soros advised. At its founding, Quantum Fund had $12 million in assets under management, and as of 2011 it had $25 billion, the majority of Soros's overall net worth.
Soros.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros

1andrew1 07-01-2019 23:56
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35978270)
So let's get this right. You've a problem with Farage and how the market was manipulated but no problem with George Soros who has been manipultating markets for years?

Soros.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros
So you've no problem with Farage allegedly manipulating the market which has been detailed to you, but you do have a problem with George Soros despite the link you supplied not evidencing manipulation? ;)

pip08456 08-01-2019 00:01
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35978271)
So you've no problem with Farage allegedly manipulating the market which has been detailed to you, but you do have a problem with George Soros despite the link you supplied not evidencing manipulation? ;)
I take note of the"allegedly".

Will add this though.

https://www.investopedia.com/ask/ans...of-england.asp

There are links to others too at the bottom of that page.

For those who don't wish to view the page the title is "How did George Soros break the Bank of England?" and remainers are gioing on about Farage???

jfman 08-01-2019 00:08
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35978270)
So let's get this right. You've a problem with Farage and how the market was manipulated but no problem with George Soros who has been manipultating markets for years?

Soros.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros
I’ve never mentioned George Soros on this forum, so I’ve no idea how you can conclude I’ve no issue with him.

A straw man.


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