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In order to protect the income that VM generates from the TV box sets and movies that are available to buy or rent on Virgin Media Store and Virgin Movies, where the content is also on Prime Video they have not integrated it into Search & Discover.

Pretty clever. But if you would like to save a bit of money, check Prime Video before you buy or rent anything from Virgin Media Store or Virgin Movies as it can be cheaper.

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I thought it was defaulted as per the 2nd box but it was actually on 2160p (it is a 4K TV) now it's on 1080p and working

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Your TV should be capable of 2160p. Are you sure you are using a high-speed HDMI cable?

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Not true at all, as a quick search will show you. Try "Arrow" for starters.

As already pointed out, VM Store and Virgin Movies aren't owned by Virgin Media. They are owned by Vubiquity, who provide VOD services for many companies.

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[QUOTE=spiderplant;36004107]Your TV should be capable of 2160p. Are you sure you are using a high-speed HDMI cable?[COLOR="Silver"]

It's supposed to be though it was off amazon so one never knows

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Arrow is included with an Amazon Prime subscription and is therefore included in Search & Discover. Try search for anything that is not included, and is only available to buy or rent (i.e. any brand new content).

Virgin Media Store and Virgin Movies ARE owned by Virgin Media, they are only provided for Virgin Media by Vubiquity.

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Am I supposed to get Amazon Prime in 4k through VMedia? I played 'Too Old to Die Young' through the V6 box and it looked absolutely awful - barely 720p. My v6 is set to output 2160p.

The same tv show streamed the same way (WiFi) through a BluRay player gets a lovely 4k picture.

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Yes, you should get 4K. You should be able to tell the Prime Video app output by pressing 'up' to get the transport bar - that'll tell you the resolution format.

One thing to note though, currently Prime Video on the V6 only supports SDR. HDR support will come later but needs a V6 update.

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The Now TV 10 month sports pass is back for £199. Cheapest way to watch Premiership football, so other subscriptions required.

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It just says 'HD' when I press the up button. Odd.

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Have you rebooted recently. If not try that as I had the same with my 4k TV and a reboot got it showing the proper resolution progression up to Ultra HD.

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Maybe you selected the HD version of whatever you were watching.

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You are a very sad man, Mr K!

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A report hsre on slowing subscriber numbers for Netflix, which should please jfman.

https://advanced-television.com/2019...lly-pertinent/

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Two terms I particularly dislike are "sophisticated" and "pragmatic". ;)

Sophisticated implies someone is trying to pull the wool over my eyes. Pragmatic suggests previous optimism will go unrealised.

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It's definitely the 4k version - it says so. I've restarted the box but it still says HD and looks pretty dire.

I know the box does 4K because I've had Wimbledon and the HLG beta stuff on it.

very strange.

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I see the V6 now has the Amazon prime video app and someone explain the difference between amazon prime video and just prime??
My wife wants to watch the tennis online which is on prime can this be done through the video app?
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Amazon Prime customers pay £79 a year to Amazon for a number of benefits, including Prime Video.
Prime Video can also, I believe, be bought separately for a monthly charge.

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thanks I was mainly refering to the app on the V6 box it just says Amazon Prime Video so I take it this is only the film streaming service and you can't watch things like live ATP tennis or "the grand tour"

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Yes. Go to the bottom of the app or sports from the top bar

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To watch the tennis, you either have to be an Amazon Prime customer or pay the monthly Amazon Video charge. You have to be a paying Amazon customer.

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You can watch live tennis (Premier league in December too I would imagine) and the grand tour you can also watch content in UHD

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£59 if you sub on Prime day.
Prime video costs £5.99 on it's own.

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How much for the DeLorean?

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How much for a actual mature response from you?

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There’s no point quoting past pricing for a product if it can’t be demonstrated that discounts will be available in the future.

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It always drops to £59 on prime day and normally black friday too.
Also £5.99p/m is the price for Amazon video as a standalone.
I should of really though put "if you subbed on prime day" but your reply was smarky and contributed nothing to the thread.

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Should have. Please don’t continue to brutalise my language. It offends my eyesight to read it.

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I'll do better put you on ignore i really can not be bothered with children.

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Oh dear. At 40 posts as well. I’ll miss our interactions.

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Is there a minimum term, or can you subscribe for 1 month only?

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There is a free 30 day trial and then if you want it its £79 a year after that.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/help/cus...deId=201910190

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£79 will be for the year that is all of primes services including Amazon video or £7.99p/m no min term.
Amazon video is £5.99p/m no min term but be aware that Amazon video does also have chargeable content too.
As Den kindly said too there is a free 30 day trial :)

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Thanks for the info - I may give it a try when the PL comes around.

Had a look, all their premier league streams are in December so should be able to do the trial for the month and cancel - cannot see how they will make any money out of it though.

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They will make their money through people taking the trial and being impressed with the service. Most of the streaming services offer free trials on that basis - this one is no different, except that Amazon offer much more than just a streaming service.

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There is plenty of material on Prime that comes with no additional cost, and this includes all the Prime originals.

The chargeable content is for shows they don't have the rights to show without further payment. This can be quite useful when there is no other means of watching something you may be desperate to see in circumstances where someone else owns the rights and is not making it available for the time being.

The 'free of extra charge' Prime stuff is easy enough to identify and you always have to confirm you will pay the cost before viewing non-Prime content - you can't access it without knowing that you are paying for it.

I don't understand why some find it confusing. It seems straight forward enough to me.

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Who said it was confusing? I was simply pointing out there are chargeable items on Amazon video too.
You like me lol forgot to mention Amazon channels too such as Discovery, Shudder, MGM to name a couple which are chargeable.
It is simple enough to identify what's chargeable and what isn't on the 4k fire tv box it has a very useful section labeled "included with prime" also Amazon video does some great deals on chargeable rentals too for prime members some latest releases can be rented for £1.99 which i think is superb value.
Yes Pip i know they can be got for free on kodi but if everyone went down that line then there'd be no money for new shows/movies.

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I know you didn't say it was confusing, Legendkiller - that comment was not aimed at you. I have heard that argument several times recently and thought I would give my thoughts on that while also answering your post.

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Ah i see thanks for clarifying Old Boy :)

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Netflix and YouTube could be forced to produce more Australian content

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...ralian-content

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Neighbours and Home and Away always spring to mind when l think of Australian TV ;) although seriously if the content is good does it matter where it comes from.

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To be fair Den it's a gripe of mine with Netflix , I'd like to see Netflix develop more UK content I do however understand they are a global player headquartered in the USA.

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l think that is their intention MM in time with the Netflix’s Shepperton Studios Deal.

https://variety.com/2019/tv/news/net...on-1203272394/

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I remember an Australkian show called round the twist used to be on bbc.

Alsp ps i had the price rise Email from Netflix today so despite one or two shouting prices rises weren't happening now erm they are (not aimed at anyone on here btw).

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And now I've got that stuck in my head for the rest of the week, without my pants*

;)

*disclaimer - old enough to remember the original episodes.

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Thanks for that lol that theme is stuck in my head now :monkey:

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:D:D:D

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From today you can get Sky Cinema on Nowtv for £4.99 this is only for one month though then it's back to £11.99 i find though if you cancel on the last day of the pass using "costs too much" you often get a offer of £4.99 a month for 4 months https://www.nowtv.com/pies

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BBC iPlayer gets Ofcom green light to make shows available for a year.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-49191885

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Good news indeed. So, under the new arrangements, BBC programmes will remain on the i-Player for a year and then (presumably) transfer to Britbox. That should save on recording space, if we can rely on that.

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Not sure if this is old news or breaking news.

My lad has had an email from Channel 4 wanting him to pay £3.99 amonth for an advert free All 4+ catch up service (with free 14 day trial)

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How do you find the 4K UHD content on the amazon prime video app on the v6 box?

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Same as on any Amazon app device.

If you scroll down far enough there is a UHD section - or you can type UHD as a search.

Amazon do make it difficult to find UHD.

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Unfortunately, you can't bookmark UHD shows on the V6. Hopefully, they are working on a fix for this.

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Why is the tennis so juddery? It happens across all platforms so not just on VM, everyth8ng else I watch plays great.

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It is only 25Hz - sports needs to be 50Hz.

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It’s quite embarrassing, for a supposedly credible broadcaster, to encounter this issue. People aren’t going to pay premium prices for sub-standard broadcasts when the time comes.

It’s a backward step.

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Dunno if anyone else is having this issue with the tennis...

Live matches play fine
Highlights show play fine
But ALL of the full match replays dont load. Just says Error playing this video please try again later.

Odd.

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New Netflix contract introduced to prevent disputes:

https://www.altpress.com/news/netfli...hing-contract/

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I thought this was something about the actors.

But what it is about, really?

The mind boggles.

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I got confirmation today that my sub is changing to 8.99 from 1st September for Netflix.

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Thanks, I don't need the video to have that song in my head..... 😂

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Would someone do me a favour and check before i phone up VM. thanks :)

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Anyone? Lol

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Had email myself £11.99p/m it's very close to the breaking point where i cancel.

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I'm sure many others are thinking the same.

People like myself who have traditional pay TV for Sport like Netflix as an add on but if the price continues to increase they'll find more and more willing to cancel.

Inagine when they have even more competition as well.

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Netflix certainly aren't doing themselves any favours.

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This will be a major challenge going forward. Can they transition from being a nice affordable add on to premium services in their own right?

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FA to launch streaming platform dedicated to women’s football.

https://www.theguardian.com/football...-wsl-streaming

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Three 80lb gorillas have entered the ring now and Netflix for so long the dominant streaming company better have a very good long term plan now the big boys have entered the ring or their days of being numero uno are numbered.

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Forbes no less, not a blog or little known digital marketing company.

As I've been banging the drum from some time: streaming isn't exempt from economics. It isn't the game changer that Old Boy etc. are claiming it to be. It slightly reduces the barrier to entry to pay-tv (no need for specialist equipment, lower price for now). However consumers don't have an infinite amount of time to watch TV, nor an infinite supply of money from which to pay for it. There isn't space for everyone to just join in and assume each consumer is going to find an extra £5-10 a month to cover it.

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This discussion... ;)

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2019/08/3.jpg

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Exactly, Hugh....

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Disney CEO in conference call: US consumers will be able to subscribe to a bundle of Disney +, ESPN+ and ad-supported Hulu for $12.99 pm.
https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status...62452404228096

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Disney have pulled a blinder Hulu, Disney+ and ESPN+ bundle for $12.99.
If/when BT licence of ESPN in uk ends Disney might do similar here.

Netflix aren't doing themselves any favours either with their price rises taking them close to a basic tv subscription.
As for Amazon their content is a joke at the moment imo and they often cancel stuff, people rave about Good Omens i personally thought it was utter tripe and David Tenant is very overated.

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I'm just about to start watching Good Omens, what did you think of 'The Boys'?that was awesome to watch in my opinion and can't wait for the next season, i guess it is down to everyones taste though.

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We have Amazon Prime mainly for the delivery side however I agree there streaming service doesn't seem very compelling in my opinion.

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The boys is superb tbf, but agree totally just because i found good omens poor it doesn't mean you will you might enjoy it.
If we all had the same taste in things it'd be a very boring world lol.

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I started to find stuff cheaper elsewhere being a gamer shopto works out better for me cheaper than Amazon and free next dat delivery.
One thing i will say i did love about prime though was sometimes you got same day delivery but i wished they'd give you a hour slot time of when it's arriving lol.

Also ps for anyone interested NOWTV currently have some incredible offers up ideal with Christmas not too far away. Most noteable for me was Sky cinema and entertainment at £56.99 for 6 months. (new customers only. Exsisting or past customers just create a new nowtv account) https://www.nowtv.com/offers

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What you can do is send it to your post office if the package is small enough to qualify, when i do this i can guarantee that i will get a text saying it is ready for collection at 9am, also on home delivery when they're close you can track the van on the map so you know exactly when it will turn up at your front door.

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Traditional TV viewing holds off streaming, Ofcom reveals.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-49248030

Interestingly, despite the broad depth of content Friends is the most popular show on streaming services in the UK. TV for the (white) brain dead first time round...

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I’m surprised that despite streamers now collectively having almost 50% penetration in UK households, they’re still so far behind in minutes watched. Also, almost all the most popular streaming content is stuff that has been, is currently being, shown on broadcast tv (Friends, Brooklyn-9-9, The Good Place, etc). Even Clarkson is basically just doing Top Gear with a different name.

Streaming providers have obviously still got a very long way to go before they are seen as TV channels in their own right, rather than just glorified catch up services.

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It's the trend we need to watch The amount of streaming is increasing steadily and traditionally broadcast TV is dropping off.

We must all remember that old habits die hard. People are so used to just turning on the box and flicking between channels that it is second nature. It seems that there is a substantial proportion of the population that resort to streaming only when they conclude that there is nothing else on worth watching.

However, I remain confident that as people get used to watching their streaming services, they will start to see that by doing so they are improving the quality of their viewing and wasting less time watching rubbish.

It is true that the main terrestrials - BBC1 and 2, ITV and Channel 4 are improving the quantity and quality of their dramas, and they will have to do even better to hold on to their audiences in the future. The changing landscape (such as the recent OFCOM approval for the i-Player, the launch of Britbox in a few months and the range of new streaming services we can expect to see here in the UK over the next few years) will put the broadcast channels under increased strain. The millenial generation, I think, will be much more into VOD than older generations. All of this will eat away at our channels, and if the streaming services keep all their content for themselves in the future (the jury is out on that one), the broadcast channels will struggle to survive.

By 2035, I think they will have given up the fight.

https://www.digitaltveurope.com/2019...iewing-slides/

Some 42% of UK adults now consider online video services to be their main way of watching TV and film, and 38% say they could envisage not watching traditional broadcast television at all in five years’ time.

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You seem also to want to ignore any other organisation, such as the BBC and Netflix themselves, if they don't say what you want to hear.

Of course streaming services are not exempt from economics. My arguments with you have been because you seem to have a very blinkered approach to the subject. Yes, you can say that Netflix have huge debts and currently growth is slowing, but you neglect to envision that Netflix will have detailed plans to address these issues, which they are not necessarily going to share publicly at this stage.

Netflix still have a lot of growing to do worldwide and this should not be underestimated. News of their demise, as they say, is premature.

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As always speculative visions of the future and cold heard reality can be two different things.

You say "given up the fight" as if anyone strongly feels in favour of what's simply a mechanism for watching television.

You're also assuming, incorrectly, that people who are younger won't prioritise the convenience of broadcast, DVR and operators on demand content when they get older and need to make more effective use of limited time with jobs, families, etc.

People want to improve the quality of their TV, I wholeheartedly agree, but 2% of all streaming being friends I don't think people will see quality where you expect them to.

Netflix are sounding the alarms as we speak on their own future. That's something I couldn't possibly ignore!

The BBC haven't committed to anything as far as I can tell.

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Gotta love the way you just pluck dates out of the air like that OB. 2035, according to which crystal ball? :rofl:

Also, this: “We must all remember that old habits die hard. People are so used to just turning on the box and flicking between channels that it is second nature. It seems that there is a substantial proportion of the population that resort to streaming only when they conclude that there is nothing else on worth watching” is essentially the argument I’ve been making to you for about 5 years now, with the minor difference that it’s not a habit, as if it were something inconvenient or antisocial, it’s convenient, because working age people and those with families still value the work broadcasters do in presenting a planned schedule.

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I meant that the channels would have given up the fight.

Frankly, I don't know how you can describe scheduled TV as being more convenient, when you have to sit through programmes you don't want to see until your planned programme is on, when there is an inability to have a decent social life and also see the programmes you want to see (unless you go to the trouble of recording them) and when the only way of testing out what you might want to see there and then is through channel hopping, which is usually a bad experience.

If you have a busy life, you want to make your viewing experience count, so I can't see the millenials growing up will change the way they are used to watching TV. And by having all your favourite streamed programmes listed in 'my shows' on one box, what could be easier?

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2035 is just a random date, Chris. I use it to minimise the number of jibes I kept getting that when I said linear channels would be gone in 20 years, that that prediction would always be 20 years ahead. I made the comment in 2015, so I am sticking to my original prediction that the broadcast channels will be gone by then, 2035. I have drawn attention before to the fact that the BBC is planning on traditional channels disappearing after the next TV licence review, so I don't think I'm a million miles away from the truth.

As I said to jfman above, I don't see anything convenient in watching programmes the traditional way. That wastes so much time..

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Why would channels "give up the fight"? Eyeballs means money, and viewers are watching broadcast televison above all else.

Broadcast television is incredibly convenient. You press the on button and go. My gran could even do it, before she died in the late 90s. My niece can do it, and she's four. Does my big brother want to leave her with an iPad and a YouTube app to watch Iraqi beheadings? No.

What could be better than a streaming service with "all your favourite shows" - by which I assume you mean all your favourite shows from a single supplier - would be a V6 or a Sky Q merging all the different broadcast methods into one.

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Media Boy Sources has confirmed that NOWTV hope to launch Universal Channel, Movies 24 and E! by 2020.

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While the eyeballs are there, they are safe. The question is, how long before they are tempted to stray?

Yes, if you are prepared to sit down and watch whatever is thrown at you, traditional broadcasting is fine. Has it really come to that, though? Are we really that pathetic as a nation that we are happy to sit and watch anything?

Your i-Pad/YouTube example is strange. I thought we were talking about TV. You live in a world of your own, jfman! :p:

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Emotive...

You appear to be stating that others, who may have different viewing habits to you, are "pathetic"... :shocked:

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l watch plenty of traditional broadcasting as does my family and we certainly don't watch "anything" as we are all pretty choosey in our taste so to be called "pathetic" is quite simply laughable.

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Ah so the broadcasters will go... Once the viewers give up. Yet you can't say when that will happen, as demonstrated time and again the most popular content remains on linear TV and the original broadcast gets most hits.

I don't think dismissing parental concern, as you just have, is reasonable. I think it actually shows, somewhat unsurprisingly, how out of touch you are. It's little wonder you see a narrow and bleak future given you can't understand the complex depth of viewing choices.

I think it's pathetic that statistically one in fifty people currently streaming from the'vast and wide range of content available are watching Friends. All day every day, the same rubbish getting peddled over and over.

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For those saying Disney has pulled off a blinder by bundling Disney+, Hulu and ESPN+ together I don't think you realise that ESPN+ is not full fat ESPN but rather a $5 a month addon that shows what is for Americans minority sports like Serie A and the Football League.
Most Americans would not subscribe to this addon subscription, so really they are getting Disney and Hulu for $12:99 and I bet its not the UHD ad free version of Hulu.

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But they’ve got big pockets, will blow Sky out the water next time.... the usual. All for the princely sum of $12.99.

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Isn’t that offer just in America though? It’ll probably be 9.99 just for Disney+ in the uk. Hulu doesn’t exist in the uk and ESPN and their rights don’t exist in the Uk?

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It is, I was just being sarcastic.

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ESPN is licenced to BT in the UK, HULU has been rumoured to launch in UK next year, also 2020 is when Disney+ launch in uk.
UK already kind off has Disney+ in the form of Disneylife which costs £4.99p/m.

ESPN+ offers a lot more these days including UFC, Boxing, Football league, MLS, baseball, basketball amongst other things.

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ESPN branding and UK rights to it's programming are with BT, but that wouldn't preclude Disney getting started by buying up rights and using a different name until rebranding as ESPN in 2021. In the world where pigs fly and there's streamers everywhere waiting to buy up TV rights for all the sports content out there of course.

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I was referring to people who would gladly just park themselves on the sofa and watch anything, whether engaging or not. I was not referring to people who actually chose to watch programmes that were not to my taste.

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I was not referring to you, Den. Jfman missed my point.

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What was your point? The highest proportion of TV viewing is done in this manner, not just in this nation but around the globe.

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Parental concern? Talk about twisting it! I never suggested you'd park a senile relative in front of YouTube, did I? You thought that one up all by yourself!

Of course I cannot tell exactly when sufficient viewers will give up on traditional TV for the channel executives to call it a day! There is no magic formula to make such a prediction. However we can see the viewing trend away from the TV channels and the increasing take-up of streaming services, so I think I'm pretty safe in saying that most if not all of them will have disappeared by 2035. They will simply become economically unviable.

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That's clearly not right. Most people do not just watch TV in such a comatose fashion. The remotes are pretty well used from what I have seen.

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Invoking economics isn't the same as understanding it, Old Boy.

There is actually a magic formula it's where the costs (low) outweigh the benefits (huge). The less linear channels there are the more prominent the remaining ones are in EPGs. So the business models become better.

Imagine being the only channel left. Everyone switches their TV on and there you are, like the North Korean state broadcaster. Everyone with an internet outage- watching you. In hotels, caravans and bedrooms in low bandwidth homes.