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I have condemned actions on both sides - it’s not difficult (except for you..;). |
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It absolutely is favourable to Israel to say “Israel are committing war crimes but beheaded babies etc.” versus “Israel are committing war crimes of their own volition ignoring alternative means of achieving their military objectives that adhere to international law”. |
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I, for one, have condemned Hamas unequivocally and I am sure John has as well. To continue this, as others are also doing, is to ignore the wider questions regarding the actions of an out of control nation state terrorising a captive population. |
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It's you that's being called out for your blind one-sidedness. |
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You completely ignore that Hamas hide behind civilians yet Israel must destroy them. |
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I thought we may have moved the discussion on a little bit, given they have agreed to a 4 day ceasefire and release of 50 hostages in exchange for the release of imprisoned Palestinian terrorists.
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The fact you accuse 300,000 people in this country campaigning for a ceasefire, for merely disagreeing with you, of being “pro-Hamas” is far more distasteful than my offerings (or lack of in some cases) in this thread. ---------- Post added at 16:00 ---------- Previous post was at 15:56 ---------- Quote:
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You are still the forums first choice for the job of PR for Hamas. :erm: Yes, you bluff and bluster otherwise, but members are seeing past that. ;) Your anti Israeli rants have gone too far off the rails at least a couple of times now. |
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Sure, I’m going against the pro-Israel unlimited and unrestricted right to self defence (ignoring international law, and their obligations as an occupying force) - seemingly a majority opinion in this thread if a minority in the country as a whole. I wouldn’t agree that they have gone off the rails but I’ve certainly seen some posts removed rather than have anyone argue with the substance which is disappointing if I was wrong it should be easy to disprove. The claim that 300,000 protesters are “pro-Hamas” is more ridiculous than anything I’ve said and gets to stand. Members can’t see past their own bias (I’ll include myself here) on the conflict, regardless of how many Palestinians die. https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...&postcount=152 I’m not sure the post above is good PR for Hamas. https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...&postcount=473 Here I discuss punishing Hamas while minimising civilian casualties. https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...&postcount=554 Again dismissing that Israel “do nothing”. |
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Most members see what Hamas has done & what Israel then has to do. |
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Just to clarify, in terms of what Israel "has to do", how many dead civilians, women, children and babies, are "allowable" before you would say enough? 1000, 5000, 10000, 20000? If you sanction these deaths, you must be prepared to say how many can die before you would say enough, stop? |
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That’s it. |
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Israel has international treaty obligations (shorthand: “international law”) that govern the way it undertakes military operations. As a sovereign democracy it can of course ignore international obligations in preference to the concerns of its citizens, but at the risk of long-term consequences for its wider support and influence in the world. Their calculation right now appears to be that as Iran and certain unfriendly Arab regimes are backing Palestine and particularly Hamas, they effectively have the Americans over a barrel in terms of public criticism of their actions. Add to that Netanyahu’s desperation to recover from a very serious security failing that has his name all over it and Hamas’s failure to anticipate the scale of the response to their insane rampage and you have a complex, toxic and deadly situation in which a lot of innocent people are dying for the egos of a few very angry men. |
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