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Damien 21-11-2017 18:51
Re: Brexit discussion
 
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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35925804)
Wasn't that long ago that a few folks around here, the Labour party and elsewhere were telling us that the City could bugger off en masse. Now apparently shedding however many banking jobs to the EU is terrible for the UK and a reason for us not to leave the EU. Odd how perspectives can be changed to suit an argument.
Quite and many who wanted of the risk of losing chucks of one of the highest tax bases would be bad are now far more relaxed about it.

jonbxx 21-11-2017 19:58
Re: Brexit discussion
 
I assume we have moved on from the EBA which was formed as a regulatory body after the global financial crisis to increase transparency and perform stress tests of the banking system.

I fail to see how this is an EU guilt trip action here. The EU said it couldn’t have EU agencies in non-EU countries in the event of Brexit and now it won’t. Job done, 1000+ high end jobs gone. It’s what we voted for

Mr K 21-11-2017 22:05
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Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 35925818)
I assume we have moved on from the EBA which was formed as a regulatory body after the global financial crisis to increase transparency and perform stress tests of the banking system.

I fail to see how this is an EU guilt trip action here. The EU said it couldn’t have EU agencies in non-EU countries in the event of Brexit and now it won’t. Job done, 1000+ high end jobs gone. It’s what we voted for
I'm afraid people voted for £350 million a week for the NHS, and getting rid of those 'bleeding immigrants', neither of which is going to happen. Job losses to other countries though, yes, plenty of them...

Osem 21-11-2017 23:02
Re: Brexit discussion
 
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Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 35925818)
I assume we have moved on from the EBA which was formed as a regulatory body after the global financial crisis to increase transparency and perform stress tests of the banking system.

I fail to see how this is an EU guilt trip action here. The EU said it couldn’t have EU agencies in non-EU countries in the event of Brexit and now it won’t. Job done, 1000+ high end jobs gone. It’s what we voted for
Jobs will come and jobs will go just like they always did before the EU and will afterwards. It's called economic reality and job losses are not always due to Brexit any more than job creation is always down to the EU.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/n...ment-than-ever

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UK attracted over 2,200 new inward investment projects in 2016 to 2017 with over 107,000 jobs across the country safeguarded or created...

....

Figures published by the Department for International Trade have today revealed that the UK attracted more foreign direct investment (FDI) projects than ever before for the year 2016 to 2017.

With more than 2,200 projects recorded, the post-referendum figures show an increase of 2% on the previous year. The data also shows that 75,226 new jobs were created, and 32,672 safeguarded, amounting to over 2,000 jobs per week across the country.

Overall, the UK is the number one destination for inward investment in Europe, with the technology, renewable energy, life sciences and creative industries all seeing an increase in the number of projects.
Let's not be positive about anything which contradicts project fear though when we can seize on every negative and lay its cause at the door of Brexit.

Mick 22-11-2017 00:55
Re: Brexit discussion
 
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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35925849)
Jobs will come and jobs will go just like they always did before the EU and will afterwards. It's called economic reality and job losses are not always due to Brexit any more than job creation is always down to the EU.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/n...ment-than-ever



Let's not be positive about anything which contradicts project fear though when we can seize on every negative and lay its cause at the door of Brexit.
Some Remainers love to paint a Fake and gloomier picture, such as the poster just before you, who has got most thing wrong so far, including the recent news that totally blew his argument to shreds and this is that there has NOT been a mass exodus of EU Nationals as he says there has and he will continue to get things wrong, going forward.

1andrew1 22-11-2017 01:42
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Remember when the Brexit press called the loss of the Medicines Agency and the European Banking Authority to Europe Project Fear? It was all fake and gloom they told us. David Davis' Brexit department even added that the fate of the agencies is still up for negotiation. That was back in April.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/334805...nment-insists/

Well, it's Project Reality now.
"Amsterdam, Paris are new homes for the agencies which will be moving from London"
https://www.wsj.com/articles/amsterd...ove-1511200612

Mick 22-11-2017 01:51
Re: Brexit discussion
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35925855)
Remember when the Brexit press called the loss of the Medicines Agency and the European Banking Authority to Europe Project Fear? It was all fake and gloom they told us. David Davis' Brexit department even added that the fate of the agencies is still up for negotiation. That was back in April.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/334805...nment-insists/

Well, it's Project Reality now.
"Amsterdam, Paris are new homes for the agencies which will be moving from London"
https://www.wsj.com/articles/amsterd...ove-1511200612
You’re a day behind the times. Already mentioned posts before yours. They are EU agencies. Their relocation is inevitable.

1andrew1 22-11-2017 08:56
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Very interesting article on the lead-in to the confrontation between the EU and UK next month. A very long article but really worth reading.

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The Brexit Veto: How and why Ireland raised the stakes
To repeated British entreaties that the Irish border could only be properly solved in Phase II, Leo Varadkar had a clever riposte. Britain had unilaterally ditched membership of the customs union and single market before Phase II – ie, the trade negotiations – had started.
In that case, he said, they could also pull a hard border off the table before Phase II as well.
When asked if Ireland would exercise its veto at the December summit if Britain hadn’t met Dublin’s demands, the Taoiseach said the EU would exercise a veto.
The alignment of Ireland’s and the EU’s posture on Brexit was now overt, and it was assertive. Donald Tusk, the President of the Council, also warned that Theresa May had two weeks to make up her mind on the Irish border, and on the other two issues.
The December summit is now set for a showdown of historic proportions.
https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and...g-read-brexit/

ianch99 22-11-2017 09:14
Re: Brexit discussion
 
Saw this idea on Twitter. Perfect!

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Theresa May should write that she's willing to pay the EU £38bn on the side of a bus and then, when they've agreed to the deal, simply say that the bus was a lie. Yes, the EU will be cross about being lied to, but by then it will be too late. Just a thought.

TheDaddy 22-11-2017 09:33
Re: Brexit discussion
 
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35925870)
Saw this idea on Twitter. Perfect!
Say it was a suggestion, obviously don't say it's a suggestion at the time, make out it's defiantly going to happen and then when it's time to deliver then say it was only a suggestion

Mick 22-11-2017 10:41
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Ahh that red bus argument that it was a suggestion rears it’s ugly head again. Get over it FFS! :rolleyes:

jonbxx 22-11-2017 10:45
Re: Brexit discussion
 
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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35925849)
Let's not be positive about anything which contradicts project fear though when we can seize on every negative and lay its cause at the door of Brexit.
But the loss of the EMA and EBA are 100% irrefutably caused by Brexit.

My focus is pretty much on the EMA as it is relevant to my job (banking is not my thing) Medicines regulation is a highly specialised and highly paid role. Losing employees with that knowledge from this country constitutes a 'brain drain' just when we need to be thinking about bringing these skills 'in house'. Employees of agencies like the EMA come from the pharmaceutical industry and vice versa.

My second point is, would we as a country be better off not being in the EMA? Almost certainly no but. as I said before, will be be willing to pay for access and accept ECJ rulings in this area?

The press release on inward investment is indeed great news. 2% growth in investment is steady but positive. I hope that the fact that 40% of the FDI was from the EU will not be affected down the line (source of number - https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/natio...t-and-industry)

heero_yuy 22-11-2017 11:06
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Brexit was a huge shock to our civil servants in particular, almost none of whom saw it coming. They are obsessed with getting a good deal. But to repeat, the deal is not the end. It is only the beginning.

Some perspective. Yesterday it was announced that the European Medicines Agency was relocating from London to Amsterdam.

Cue a lot of moaning about the 900 jobs that will go with it — what Vince Cable ludicrously called the “jobs Brexodus”.

Yet, since the referendum, we have created 300,000 private-sector jobs.

Oddly, Vince never mentions them.
Source

Mick 22-11-2017 11:39
Re: Brexit discussion
 
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35925886)
All these extra jobs taken up, to some of the hardline Remainers, it shouldn’t be happening, all the lies the Remain camp told and they go on and on about the side of the Red bus, all the gloomy predictions. All of it was fear mongering BS!

jonbxx 22-11-2017 11:49
Re: Brexit discussion
 
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35925892)
All these extra jobs taken up, to some of the hardline Remainers, it shouldn’t be happening, all the lies the Remain camp told and they go on and on about the side of the Red bus, all the gloomy predictions. All of it was fear mongering BS!
The fear mongering was just a suggestion, not to be taken literally


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