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papa smurf 31-03-2017 09:07
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[QUOTE=ianch99;35892584]No this is important. There is no twisting here. Any idiot can do the simple mathematics. You need to accept the truth and move on.

and can any idiot see which side won and accept it ?.


here we go again ?

Remoaners threaten a campaign to grind Parliament to a halt over David Davis's Great Repeal Bill as Gina Miller plots ANOTHER court challenge

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4ctBIGPlZ
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Mr K 31-03-2017 09:39
Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 
[QUOTE=papa smurf;35892612]
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35892584)
No this is important. There is no twisting here. Any idiot can do the simple mathematics. You need to accept the truth and move on.

and can any idiot see which side won and accept it ?.


here we go again ?

Remoaners threaten a campaign to grind Parliament to a halt over David Davis's Great Repeal Bill as Gina Miller plots ANOTHER court challenge

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4ctBIGPlZ
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
The Daily Fail has found a plot ! Stop the presses, spread more hate among it's salivating followers !

The Govt. has to stay within the law, what's wrong with that? They can always change the law if they really want...

Osem 31-03-2017 09:50
Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 
[QUOTE=papa smurf;35892612]
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35892584)
No this is important. There is no twisting here. Any idiot can do the simple mathematics. You need to accept the truth and move on.

and can any idiot see which side won and accept it ?.


here we go again ?

Remoaners threaten a campaign to grind Parliament to a halt over David Davis's Great Repeal Bill as Gina Miller plots ANOTHER court challenge

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4ctBIGPlZ
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
It's all being done for the best of reasons though. All those thoroughly open-minded, magnanimous in defeat, folk are just trying to help the majority who voted for Bexit - FACT - see the gross error of our ways and we should thank them. They know we're making a big mistake and that what the UK really needed was to stay in the EU and be gradually subsumed into the EU amoeba. Only in this manner, under the glorious leadership of the Brussels elite can the UK survive as a first world nation...

:rolleyes:

Meanwhile back in the real world, Tusk's warning that the talks would be 'confrontational at times' is the reality but I wonder what the reaction of the usual suspects like Farron would have been had the PM chosen to use those words in her letter. Aggressive, arrogant, bullying, intimidatory maybe?...

ianch99 31-03-2017 11:46
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35892601)
The problem is that a lot of Brexiters on this forum don't actually realise how slim the margin was,all they see is 52% vs 48% which in no way reflects the will of the country as a whole .They don't actually want to admit that the will of the people wasn't represented at all by the result
You are correct. As Andrew pointed out, if Remain had won and then started moves to replace the Pound with Euro for example, they would be outraged.

The problem is that they are afraid that some of the more extreme Brexit scenarios may be taken away from them during the next 2 years.

1andrew1 31-03-2017 11:54
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35892626)
You are correct. As Andrew pointed out, if Remain had won and then started moves to replace the Pound with Euro for example, they would be outraged.

The problem is that they are afraid that some of the more extreme Brexit scenarios may be taken away from them during the next 2 years.
Let's not forget that they also said we could remain in the single market too, ie have our cake and eat it.

Most people I know were marginal about the EU and came down reluctantly on one side or the neither. Few were madly pro-EU and few were madly leaving. The saw the strengths and weaknesses of the EU but didn't want to do anything drastic.

passingbat 31-03-2017 12:13
Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35892631)
Let's not forget that they also said we could remain in the single market too, ie have our cake and eat it.

Nope, we're out of the single market. Trying to negotiate a free trade deal. There is a difference.

1andrew1 31-03-2017 12:33
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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35892639)
Nope, we're out of the single market. Trying to negotiate a free trade deal. There is a difference.
Agreed, but the single market is what David Davis promised.

papa smurf 31-03-2017 12:42
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35892645)
Agreed, but the single market is what David Davis promised.
i though he said we could pay for access to it .

ianch99 31-03-2017 13:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35892631)
Let's not forget that they also said we could remain in the single market too, ie have our cake and eat it.

Most people I know were marginal about the EU and came down reluctantly on one side or the neither. Few were madly pro-EU and few were madly leaving. The saw the strengths and weaknesses of the EU but didn't want to do anything drastic.
As you say, unlike a few extremists, there wasn't extreme hatred of the EU on the part of the vast majority of the country.

Most people are pragmatic and if there is a deal that favours retaining some of the previous arrangements and this is demonstrably in the best interests of the country then this is more than likely what will happen.

The PM need to resist the calls from the right wing zealots and keep an open mind ..

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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35892639)
Nope, we're out of the single market. Trying to negotiate a free trade deal. There is a difference.
The EU is clearing delaying any trade deal talks until the terms of the divorce are agreed:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39453338

Quote:
The EU has outlined its strategy for Brexit negotiations, suggesting talks on a trade deal could begin once "sufficient progress" is made on a separation settlement with the UK.

passingbat 31-03-2017 13:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35892648)


The EU is clearing delaying any trade deal talks until the terms of the divorce are agreed:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39453338

It appears to be the principles of how it is calculated, not the final amount. Trade talks could possibly start in October.

1andrew1 31-03-2017 13:47
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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35892650)
It appears to be the principles of how it is calculated, not the final amount. Trade talks could possibly start in October.
Yes, that's what I've read too.

ianch99 31-03-2017 14:04
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35892652)
Yes, that's what I've read too.
Agreed but it seems that "Trade deal talks could begin once 'sufficient progress' is made" on the divorce settlement:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...eu-watch-live/

This headline from the above is also interesting?

Quote:
EU will ban UK from cutting tax or scrapping regulation

Angela Merkel will insist that the U.K. rules out tax dumping as part of any trade deal struck during Brexit negotiations, a senior official from the German economy ministry has said.

"We don't want to erect barriers to trade, but we need fair dealings," German Deputy Economy Minister Matthias Machnig said in a Bloomberg Television interview.

He said:

We can only conclude a fair trade agreement with advantages for both sides if there are reasonable framework conditions in the areas of tax, regulation and the like.

A race to the bottom in tax and regulation matters would make trade relations difficult.

1andrew1 31-03-2017 14:16
Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35892655)
Agreed but it seems that "Trade deal talks could begin once 'sufficient progress' is made" on the divorce settlement:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...eu-watch-live/

This headline from the above is also interesting?
Yes. I think some smaller economies like Ireland and Singapore can function as low-tax locations but I've read that the UK can't because of its size. I've not heard Theresa May mention this option recently so suggest it's off the cards.
The issue will always be with any trading partners including of course the EU - the better the trade deal, the more things like movement of people and equality of taxation and regulations are required.

Pierre 31-03-2017 18:57
Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35892645)
Agreed, but the single market is what David Davis promised.
No he didn't

ianch99 31-03-2017 19:09
Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35892691)
No he didn't
That's because the word "promise" and the "politician" are rarely compatible :)

However it was an "aim":

Brexit Secretary David Davis admits deal with 'exact same benefits' is not a promise


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