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Osem	26-10-2015 15:30

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We all know what Labour's true intentions with regard to immigration have been for many years. They've tried to dress it up and spin it in many different ways but the truth came out and what they've done knocks Shirley Porter's Westminster experiment into a cocked hat. They knew it would be irreversible and that's what they wanted - more fool the idiots who believed them because we're going to be left with the legacy. for decades to come just as we are with their failed economic policy. As you say, there are many, many more on the way and unless we get real we are going to see serious unrest - the only question is how serious.

Taf	26-10-2015 16:03

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Labour has always loved low paid immigrants as they were more likely to get their votes.

The Conservatives loved low paid immigrants because they cost business a lot less in wages.

The Tax Credits and Child Benefit changes might do a hard reset though, except for those very polygamous immigrant "families". And a few indigenous ones too of course.

Osem	27-10-2015 14:23

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The president of the European Council has warned that the migrant crisis could threaten the cohesion of the EU.

Donald Tusk told the European Parliament the challenge was the biggest the EU had faced for a decade.

Meanwhile Parliament President Martin Schulz accused European governments of putting national interests above finding solutions as a community.

The UN's refugee agency (UNHCR) says more than 700,000 migrants have reached Europe by boat so far this year.

EU leaders have exchanged angry accusations as authorities struggle to cope with the thousands of new arrivals, many of them refugees from Syria and other conflict zones.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34648574

Has he only just realised that? :shrug:

heero_yuy

28-10-2015 09:17

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Europe will be “forever changed” unless immigrants are forcibly blocked from its borders by “turning boats around”, warned former Australian PM Tony Abbott tonight.

Mr Abbott — who was forced out of office down under last month after being swept to power in 2013 on a hardline pledge to clamp down on immigration — claims that the continent is making a “catastrophic error.”

He said last night that while it “will gnaw at our consciences” Europe must use “force” against the “tide of humanity surging through Europe and quite possibly changing it forever.”

Linky

Tells it like it is rather than the supine response of the EU leaders.

Osem	28-10-2015 10:54

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As unpleasant as the thought is, he is right and it will have to happen if we're going to have any chance of preventing Europe being flooded. Encouraging migrants to come to the EU is really no different from the UK allowing free access to EU citizens and look how many came here. The main differences are: a) there are many more people around the world who want that chance and are utterly desperate to take it and b) the cultural and other differences and usually far greater, both of which will mean successfully integrating and accommodating them will be impossible. For those who are rightly concerned about the plight of refugees, well taking in economic migrants in such vast numbers simply means the public appetite for and means by which to assist genuine refugees will be severely diminished.

We really do have to get real - it's no good the Eurocrats bandying around terms like 'grave emergency' whilst standing there wringing their hand and watching the disaster unfold. We have to be decisive and proactive not reactive - the EU has proven itself to be neither.

Ramrod

28-10-2015 18:27

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Shotguns Have ‘Virtually Sold Out’ In Austria

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Local media puts the accelerating private arms race down to the sheer numbers of migrants and an attendant fear of house break-ins.

One gun seller told the broadcaster oe.24 that “because of the social change, people want to protect themselves.”

Police say 70,000 guns have been sold this year, a rush which gun dealers report is led by women who are also driving up sales of pepper spray out of fear for their personal security.

Osem	30-10-2015 16:36

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Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35805487)

Shotguns Have ‘Virtually Sold Out’ In Austria

That doesn't sound very 'welcoming' does it... :erm:

Anyway closer to home:

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The UK may not be prepared for the number of Syrian refugees the government plans to accept, MPs say.
Ministers plan to take 20,000 refugees by 2020 - a "huge change in the scale" of resettlement, according to Home Affairs Committee chairman Keith Vaz.
He said the committee was "concerned about our real level of preparedness and ability to increase capacity to manage such numbers at short notice".
The government said "careful planning" was needed to "ensure we get it right".
The committee said: "At no point in the recent past has the UK come near to resettling 4,000 refugees in one year."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34666386

Get it right??!! At what point has any UK government since WWII really got it right on immigration?

Gary L

30-10-2015 16:55

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The government said "careful planning" was needed to "ensure we get it right".

Britain can't trust any government that doubts itself.
and allows kids to die in their care. and say the bonus is that we'll learn by all these mistakes.

the country will be strife with crime, rape, murder and everything else.
don't be stupid and believe that this isn't the case. because it is.

Hugh	30-10-2015 23:22

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I'd rather have a Government that doubted itself, than one who assumed they knew everything, and never reviewed/revised anything.

It must be nice being perfect and never making mistakes or doubting yourself.

Osem	31-10-2015 10:18

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35805851)

Yes and there's one undeniable truth that, whatever Govts. do, they'll be damned by someone or other.

In other news:

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Germany is to restrict the number of entry points for migrants arriving via Austria, in a bid to control the flow as thousands cross into Bavaria daily.

It says it has reached agreement with Austria on five crossing points on their border.

Authorities in Bavaria have complained a lack of co-ordination with Austria is hampering efforts to aid new arrivals.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34683056

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After a mini-summit, European leaders have agreed steps to strengthen border controls along Greek and Slovenian borders, to try and slow the movement of refugees and migrants through the region.

There was grumbling, there was pleading, and there were several sharp retorts.

It was sometimes hard to remember that all the leaders who turned up here professed to want the same thing: an end to the chaos that increasingly marks the migration route through the Western Balkans...

... Deep rifts have opened up in the region, as the number of migrants has increased, and Mr Juncker's new proposals to strengthen Schengen's external borders in Greece and Slovenia play into national fears, as countries further along the route fear being turned into buffer zones.

In the story of Europe's migrant crisis, one nation's protection becomes another nation's problem.

In the end, he got a watered-down version of the co-operation he'd been hoping for: a commitment from countries to inform their neighbours before sending migrants and refugees their way, and to make an effort to process them properly.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34634709

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Even before the meeting began, Croatia's Prime Minister Zoran Milanovic labelled the plan "unrealistic", drafted by someone "who had just woken up from a months-long sleep". The solution, he said, lay in Turkey and Greece.

It's a sentiment echoed by many of the leaders here - that without action from Turkey in stemming the number of people crossing its border into Greece, anything else is just tinkering around the edges.

That ought to be the EU's motto.

Quid pro quo? Facilitated Turkish entry into the EU? How much more uncontrolled immigration would that result in?

Ramrod

31-10-2015 11:37

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Orban: ‘The People Of Europe Are Beginning To Wake Up’

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Speaking on the daily 180-minute early-morning current affairs chat show, the Hungarian prime minister praised the awakening conciousness of ordinary European people, and castigated their leaders for not daring to speak the truth.....
....Mr. Orban pulled absolutely no punches in lashing out at the fundamentally undemocratic way the EU has dealt with the invasion. Referring to the arbitrary opening of Europe’s borders to millions of migrants, and the forced relocation of these people to European member states in numbers they have no control over, Mr. Orban asked:

“It really begs the question. When and who voted on the Europe that allows millions of people to enter illegally, and then distribute them? Such a decision was never taken at an election, so today’s events lack any sort of democratic foundation.

Osem	31-10-2015 12:03

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He's right. Big trouble is brewing and what's been allowed to happen within Europe isn't ever going to be forgotten by those whose countries have been worst affected and I include in that the German people. A whole lot of people are now discovering that in the grand EU scheme of things, their views no longer matter - they and their Govts. get told what to do...

Not only have the Germans engineered EU economic and political policy to suit their own ends as best they can but, to add insult to grievous injury, they're now going to be roundly condemned for creating a tidal wave of migration which is destabilising far poorer nations and the legacy of which is going to last for decades.

The arrogance, lack of foresight, organisation, unity and empathy being demonstrated within the EU is staggering but it's really no surprise to those of us who could predict the inevitable consequences of its single state obsession.

Taf	31-10-2015 13:56

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Germans I talked to think Merkel wanted an end to Gast Werkers from Turkey (right to work, but no right of abode or right to vote) and replace the unskilled labour force with eastern Europeans (right to work, right of abode and right to vote).

She is totally against Turkey entering the EU, citing "civil rights abuses" among other things.

Well, she appears to have started the exodus of Turks from Germany, but has another lot coming through the door via Turkey.

Osem	31-10-2015 16:08

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Interesting. Well if she is she's in between a rock and a very hard place because the Turks have the whip hand so far as I can see and they're going to exact a heavy price for making any serious attempts to stop the flood.

Ramrod

31-10-2015 19:33

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Sweden ‘Facing Collapse’ Thanks To Migrant Influx, Foreign Minister Warns

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Almost 26.8 per cent of the population is now foreign born or has at least one foreign born parent. With no way to assimilate such large numbers, the outcome has been the creation of ghettos in which crime and extremism are allowed to flourish.

Malmo, which just two years ago played host to that most unifying of events, the Eurovision Song Contest, now has “no-go zones.” Last month, retired Chief Superintendent Torsten Elofsson told Breitbart London: “We have a number of no-go-zones in Sweden and they are expanding… police can go to these places, but you have to take precautions.

“Years ago you could go with two officers, no problem. Now you have to send four officers and two cars – if the fire brigade want to go, they have to take a police escort. They throw stones and try to stop the fireman from putting out fires.”

He added: “Of the number of people arrested and dragged into police stations, the majority are of foreign origin to be honest. There is an over-representation of violent crimes committed by people from other countries”.

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