Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36082308)

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/sta...51586786037763

I suspect there will be a delay. The vaccines are still working but we just haven't vaccinated enough people yet.

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36082312)

I don’t know who that bloke is

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36082315)

He is a data journalist at the FT. .

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36082323)

So as about as plausible as me, or any other Pleb.

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36082323)

So as about as plausible as me, or any other Pleb.

Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36082334)

Sounds about right.

People who link to twitter posts in order to make a point should step back and realise that twitter is just the modern equivalent of women gossiping over the garden fence, absolutely pointless when trying to win (or start) an argument :D

Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36082341)

aah yes of course, the paywall.

You would think that any media source with a great story, that is important enough to be shared with the general public, would not be hidden behind a wall.

Or is it maybe not a great story, and simply yet more data driven analysis that only has interest to those who think it's worth paying for?

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36082344)

Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36082346)

Crossword any good, or should I stick with the Guardian?

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36082315)

He is a data journalist at the FT.

And yes it's not skyrocketing yet but there is a sign of an increase towards the end of May with a further week's data about to come out tomorrow. The FT is linking to specific areas where it's increasing.

We'll see but all I imagine it'll prompt caution to delay. You need to tackle exponential growth before it starts.

Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36082346)

Crossword any good, or should I stick with the Guardian?

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36082339)

He is the writer of the article and FT seemingly randomly enforces it's paywall. The thread I linked to is a distinct summary of the article.

Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36082358)

Rumours are a month delay in restrictions being lifted

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36082359)

It's not random. Key Coronavirus articles are not behind a paywall as they're of national/global importance. Hence the comprehensive posts on Twitter too.

See: https://www.ft.com/coronavirusfree


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I think that's setting us up for a shorter extension. So when they say two weeks we go "Phew, that's good, just two more weeks not a month!"

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Lock him up in the Tower for corruption!

https://twitter.com/GoodLawProject/s...667328/photo/1

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More on that High Court case, from Sky:

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...rules-12328463

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36082406)

A million jabs booked today

Good news, it's a race at this point.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36082359)

It's not random. Key Coronavirus articles are not behind a paywall as they're of national/global importance. Hence the comprehensive posts on Twitter too.[COLOR="Silver"]

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36082504)

Why didn't you link to the article then as it is not free in the true sense of the word as it requires some form of subscription. A free article would require no information at all. Therefore we can put this in the "not of national/global importance" section.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36082507)

I'm not sure which article you're after :confused:

I helpfully shared a link to the FT's page containing its free Coronavirus articles and these do not require a subscription.

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36082511)

Perhaps look at the reply to Damien.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36082335)

Besides he isn't the only one now getting concerned that we're talking about a wave rather than a small increase in cases.

Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36082516)

What exactly is the definition of a "wave" ?

Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36082516)

What exactly is the definition of a "wave" ?

Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36082516)

What exactly is the definition of a "wave" ?

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36082531)

A statistically relevant rise in cases and hospitalisations that peaks then comes back down again. So if you were to plot them on a graph you could spot it because it looks like a wave.

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36082538)

No sign of that then yet

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36054092)

So you’ve written off the economy? What’s next then?

In regards to science, there is no science that shows anything other that lockdowns do nothing but delay the spread of the virus, that’s all.

Things are on the up, but still compared to 6 months ago, we’re nowhere near.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/healthcare

It was predicated, and I posted it on here, that there would be no “second wave” on an equal magnitude to the first, but that there would be an initial wave followed by several Ripples.

This is where we are.

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36082542)

tbf, you predicted in November there wouldn’t be a second wave…

Where as, in fact…

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...econd-23429602

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36082538)

No sign of that then yet

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36082538)

No sign of that then yet

Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36082576)

Try this one https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

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A large group of "south asian" gentlemen got off a "Bolton Minibus" at the entrance to the local supermarket about an hour ago.

I had to wait a few minutes whilst they argued with a security guard as they would not wear masks.

Denied access. Very loud and abusive. But they decided it was hopeless, so they boarded and left. Bolton to Cardiff is a long way to go to do some shopping?

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36082579)

Sorry Taf not one of the graphs on that link show a "wave".

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36082582)

When are they rolling out the what if vaccine.

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36082542)

tbf, you predicted in November there wouldn’t be a second wave…



Where as, in fact…

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...econd-23429602

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36082552)

When it comes to predictions about restrictions, jfman is where I would place my money. Others seem to predict what they want to hear as oppose to what an evidence-based decision is likely to be. Didn't someone on here predict that the schools would never re-open for just a day or two, jfman said that would happen and they did open for a day or two before closing again!

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36082564)

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36082590)

Sky news doing a great job of ramping up project covid fear.

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36082591)

And then there's an outbreak of monkey pox in Wales. :erm:

Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36082603)

It doesn't affect where I live but, it's looking like the government will put back the easing of restrictions due on 21st June in England, they'll be ramping up the number of people needing a second dose to give them more protection, how long they'll delay the easing is anyone's guess.
This could well have been avoided by not giving people from India five days to get back to the UK, a massive cock-up imo.

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36082604)

Yes but we're desperate for a trade deal with India and daren"t offend. Call it a Covexit dividend.... ;)

Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36082603)

It doesn't affect where I live but, it's looking like the government will put back the easing of restrictions due on 21st June in England, they'll be ramping up the number of people needing a second dose to give them more protection, how long they'll delay the easing is anyone's guess.
This could well have been avoided by not giving people from India five days to get back to the UK, a massive cock-up imo.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36082615)

The prediction seems to be a month because businesses would rather work for with more certainty than having a rolling deadline.

I hope they ramp up second vaccines. My second isn't until August!

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36082590)

Sky news doing a great job of ramping up project covid fear.

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36082635)

Do they have some sort of countdown clock to unlocking? They love that sort of thing.

Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36082642)

It's all become rather repetitively boring, same shit different month.

I'm sure the health experts have already decided on where the new July variant will originate, and are now busy working on the August one . . . which will be 72.6% more transmissible and probably found to be spread by hamsters and geese.

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36082644)

It's all getting a bit much now you risk your life getting vaccinated and your reward is more lockdown until we have inoculated every one, next it will be cats and dogs, rabbits gerbils, tortoises, goldfish ..........

Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36082649)

I see they're now harping on about the 'possible' long term effects that 'might' be suffered by the younger generation that 'could' catch Covid 19 if we remove restrictions.

Could the Govt. and health experts please show the same consideration towards the older generation, the ones at risk from 'possible' short term effects that 'might' result from an altercation with a bunch of the knife wielding younger generation?

:D

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36082653)

The over precautionary approach to this is just ridiculous.

I think Johnson will do a halfway house, lift remaining restrictions in U.K. but keep travel restrictions or something like that.

He’s not going to remove all restrictions that much now seems certain but he’ll throw the plebs a bone.

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36082662)

For all the difference it will make. I paid a brief visit to Englandshire this week and I was shocked at the high level of mask refuseniks amongst the great unwashed, shuffling around Morrison’s next door to my hotel. For some people this whole global pandemic malarkey is just yesterday’s news.

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36082653)

I think Johnson will do a halfway house, lift remaining restrictions in U.K. but keep travel restrictions or something like that.

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36082663)

Was it a cheap deal English beer and wine run ? Denied to Scottish punters as you can't be trusted as much as the 'great unwashed' ? ;)

Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 36082664)

Travel restrictions and mandatory self-isolation aren't even up for consideration. It's only social contacts and events.

You might be allowed more than 30 at your wedding if you're lucky ;)

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36082661)

There’s zero chance of this. The data simply doesn’t support it.

If anything he will be throwing a bone your way by inventing some easement as yet never mentioned and put it under the banner of “progress towards freedom” and throw in some generic wartime references for good measure.

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36082662)

For all the difference it will make. I paid a brief visit to Englandshire this week and I was shocked at the high level of mask refuseniks amongst the great unwashed, shuffling around Morrison’s next door to my hotel. For some people this whole global pandemic malarkey is just yesterday’s news.

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36082666)

The state broadcaster and the Daily Mail are already running their delay stories if you believe the Government are laying the groundwork for bad news.

Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36082686)

A delay in full withdrawal has been obvious for a week or more, the only question is how long for, and what (if anything) will be lifted on Jun 21.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36082699)

Does the data show a particularly worrying upsurge in hospitalisations, then? I thought they were relatively flat.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36082699)

Does the data show a particularly worrying upsurge in hospitalisations, then? I thought they were relatively flat.

What I would like to see is an abandonment of the legal requirement to wear masks and socially distance. That will enable businesses that are suffering or unable to open to get back on their feet. They have limited impact on transmission anyway, particularly during the summer.

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I will celebrate with a mask-burning barbecue when this ridiculous legislation is finally abandoned.

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Or maybe the media is simply sensationalising, yet again.

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Clearly, that is not the only question. It’s more complicated than this, and the scientists are going into apocalyptic mode. It must be the stress of it all.

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36082712)

Can we have our lives back now

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36082699)

Does the data show a particularly worrying upsurge in hospitalisations, then? I thought they were relatively flat

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36082719)

<SNIP>

Aside international travel is there a single restriction that actually has any meaningful inconvenience to your day to day life?

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36082719)

Aside international travel is there a single restriction that actually has any meaningful inconvenience to your day to day life?

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36082726)

It’s not about me. Such a selfish attitude to take, not unsurprising. I take it that’s how you view the world? If it doesn’t impact me.....who gives a fu..... not me.

There have been no restrictions that have impacted me to any degree, I have a very privileged situation ( which i have worked for btw). But I have suffered very little during these past 18 months. But that doesn’t mean I think lockdowns or other government actions have been correct and I’ll oppose anything I think is wrong even if I am unaffected by it, I presume you wouldn’t........................not good.

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36082728)

A laughable retort.

So from your privileged position you want to put more people at risk? Classy.

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36082730)

Only as laughable as your selfish attitude......Classy.

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36082731)

Where am I being selfish?

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36082733)

I said your selfish attitude.

By asking me, if I am not personally impacted by restrictions, why should I give a monkeys..........shows where you’re coming from in this pandemic.

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36082734)

Indeed it does not.

I’ll remind you that the question arose from your statement:



Seems odd for someone unaffected by existing restrictions. It would appear the only thing holding you back is yourself. I’m as much of a doom-monger as the next guy but there’s no reason to hide behind the couch. Reclaim your life if there’s no substantive restrictions impacting you but those in your own mind.

However you’re disappointed that June 21st isn’t happening so if that’s really the straw you wish to clutch to I’ll leave you to make peace with it.

Anyone can see my track record from my posts and I’m happy to stand by it. Your ideological opposition has been noted throughout - as you say easing restrictions further won’t make a difference to you in any case.

At least the decision makers give wider consideration to public health than what bores privileged Pierre.

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36082731)

Where am I being selfish? I’ve already stated my support for the furlough scheme and supporting businesses throughout restrictions. A consistent position I’ve held throughout.

I’m happy to pay tax for that but I’m guessing Pierre the Privileged isn’t? For 4 weeks.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36082764)

What about all the businesses that will go under if these restrictions are maintained?

Anyone would think we didn't have a vaccine that had been offered to all vulnerable groups.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36082775)

jfman has said he's in favour of the business support and furlough schemes.

I would like to think that if it's one more month, banks would show some flexibility as well.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36082798)

It’s not enough. Give it one more month, then another, and another…it will never end.

We need to go for it now. We have to learn to live with Covid as we do with flu.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36082801)

The thing is we know the vaccines work.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36082801)

The thing is we know the vaccines work. The spike in cases is amongst those who've not yet had the vaccination so there is a clear end goal in sight: get everyone over 40/35 a double dose and those above 20 a single dose at least. Being that double dose number right up.

It's not as if there isn't an end in sight so why risk putting the NHS under pressure again and making matters worse than they need to be when we're so close.

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36082804)

Scaremongering…

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36082826)

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36082826)

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36082834)

Did you actually note how many under 40s ended up in hospital? The increased infections and transmission rates will have only a marginal impact on hospitalisations. Given that, what is your point?

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Oh, yeah? It’s those arguing for ever-increasing extensions that are scaremongering.

PS - Did you hear we have a vaccine?

PPS - Did you know that the vulnerable groups have been vaccinated?

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Too true. People need to get real now and reassess priorities.

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36082845)

No one’s arguing for "ever increasing extensions" - you’re just making stuff up/scaremongering.