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OLD BOY 26-07-2026 09:59
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36220234)
Why would they not make any money ?
You would still be paying for their channels, just delivered by streaming, not the dish.
As I understand it, built in apps require active system validation tied to the subscription service, which depends on the main subscription infrastructure. You are assuming, I think, that Sky will continue to offer a service to these boxes when satellite TV closes down in this country.

As you know, traditional satellite broadcasts are likely to remain active until at least 2029 under current SES satellite contracts, so existing boxes will stay working until Sky forces a complete switchover to internet delivered operating systems.

In theory, you could still access other non-Sky satellite services operating in Europe, but that assumes that Sky don't disable the boxes completely. What are the chance$?

Legendkiller2k 26-07-2026 14:37
Re: Virgin TV (2026)
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36220250)
As I understand it, built in apps require active system validation tied to the subscription service, which depends on the main subscription infrastructure. You are assuming, I think, that Sky will continue to offer a service to these boxes when satellite TV closes down in this country.

As you know, traditional satellite broadcasts are likely to remain active until at least 2029 under current SES satellite contracts, so existing boxes will stay working until Sky forces a complete switchover to internet delivered operating systems.

In theory, you could still access other non-Sky satellite services operating in Europe, but that assumes that Sky don't disable the boxes completely. What are the chance$?
SKY would simply license their content to streaming services, infact they already are doing this with Netflix.
Companies like SKY always have something up their sleeves to keep the cash flowing.

Paul 26-07-2026 18:39
Re: Virgin TV (2026)
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36220250)
You are assuming, I think, that Sky will continue to offer a service to these boxes when satellite TV closes down in this country.
The only one assuming anything seems to be you.
I said they can continue to use the boxes to provide all their channels via streaming, if they so wanted.
There are no assumptions in that statement, its perfectly possible, as Sky already do it, with Sky Sports+.

OLD BOY 26-07-2026 19:45
Re: Virgin TV (2026)
 
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36220269)
The only one assuming anything seems to be you.
I said they can continue to use the boxes to provide all their channels via streaming, if they so wanted.
There are no assumptions in that statement, its perfectly possible, as Sky already do it, with Sky Sports+.
Well, perhaps you will be proved right, but as I’ve said, Sky could disable the box altogether. I’ve assumed nothing.

RichardCoulter 26-07-2026 21:39
Re: Virgin TV (2026)
 
If Sky disabled their boxes and made them obsolete, it would cost them a fortune as they would be obliged to pay to have them all recycled.

Far better for them to provide even a limited service and gift them to their former satellite customers. Then, if they become obsolete at some point, the responsibility to recycle them passes to the individual owner.

TimeLord2018 26-07-2026 22:12
Re: Virgin TV (2026)
 
Sky themselves aren't exactly hiding their desire to move to streaming, when they published this report

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A ‘nightlight’ DTT or satellite service would be costly and little used, with minimal audience demand
https://www.skygroup.sky/en-gb/artic...igital-divide-

vincerooney 27-07-2026 00:37
Re: Virgin TV (2026)
 
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Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 36220249)
If 'they' wanted to make you watch adverts on recordings, they could do.
putting adverts on recorded content? i didnt know they had that ability.

Paul 27-07-2026 02:02
Re: Virgin TV (2026)
 
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Originally Posted by TimeLord2018 (Post 36220284)
Sky themselves aren't exactly hiding their desire to move to streaming, when they published this report
To be clear, thats a report for Sky, not by Sky, with a few "could"s.
As to "minimal audience demand", that seems quite an assumption.
Also while I can certainly believe 94% of adults have internet, I find it harder to believe 92% use a VOD service.

RichardCoulter 27-07-2026 12:00
Re: Virgin TV (2026)
 
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36220286)
To be clear, thats a report for Sky, not by Sky, with a few "could"s.
As to "minimal audience demand", that seems quite an assumption.
Also while I can certainly believe 94% of adults have internet, I find it harder to believe 92% use a VOD service.
They're probably including people like me to further their cause. I don't like VOD, so don't use it apart from when a programme has overrun and my recording has cut the end off.

Including someone who only uses the service once every couple of months for a minute or two would be very disingenuous.

Legendkiller2k 27-07-2026 13:01
Re: Virgin TV (2026)
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36220277)
Well, perhaps you will be proved right, but as I’ve said, Sky could disable the box altogether. I’ve assumed nothing.
SKYQ was designed to be able to switch to iptv mode if satellite ever gets switch off, it can run on the same basis as SKY stream.
Wether or not they'll keep recording functionality though is anyones guess.

gunner45 27-07-2026 14:11
Re: Virgin TV (2026)
 
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Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36220314)
SKYQ was designed to be able to switch to iptv mode if satellite ever gets switch off, it can run on the same basis as SKY stream.
Wether or not they'll keep recording functionality though is anyones guess.
Sky Q never had an IPTV mode. The box is for broadcast TV and the only live streaming is from third-party apps like BBC iPlayer which manage the streams themselves. However Sky's own catch-up and on-demand on Sky Q is downloading to disk as the box cannot do streaming. This is why Sky must migrate all legacy boxes to Sky Stream, its IPTV service which is delivered exclusively through Sky Glass and the Sky Stream puck. Virgin Media will be doing the exact same thing in migrating all the TiVo, V6 and TV 360 boxes onto its Stream boxes.

RichardCoulter 27-07-2026 15:01
Re: Virgin TV (2026)
 
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Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36220314)
SKYQ was designed to be able to switch to iptv mode if satellite ever gets switch off, it can run on the same basis as SKY stream.
Wether or not they'll keep recording functionality though is anyones guess.
Does anyone know if there are any particular complexities in recording IPTV, as the only platform that does it is BT EE. A box was supposed to come out that could record Freesat, Freeview & IPTV, but when it launched the IPTV record function was missing, leading me to wonder if, for some reason, be it legal or technical, that doing this was problematic

Carth 27-07-2026 15:07
Re: Virgin TV (2026)
 
Seems to me (as an outsider that doesn't watch TV) that there's a concerted effort to do away with 'recording' stuff to watch later.

I guess if people want to watch things at a time of their convenience, there are ways to make money from it by those who broadcast.

Itshim 27-07-2026 16:18
Re: Virgin TV (2026)
 
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36220326)
Does anyone know if there are any particular complexities in recording IPTV, as the only platform that does it is BT EE. A box was supposed to come out that could record Freesat, Freeview & IPTV, but when it launched the IPTV record function was missing, leading me to wonder if, for some reason, be it legal or technical, that doing this was problematic
https://www.t3.com/tech/tvs/humax-au...-order-details

An example of a freely box that records there are more than one

TimeLord2018 27-07-2026 16:47
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But can only record the terrestrial aerial (DTT/Freeview) Channels, cannot record IPTV channels


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