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Mick 31-05-2017 21:39
Re: June 8th General Election
 
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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35901253)
That's what I'm saying.
she thinks doing the same will bring the same result.

but it won't.
it hasn't.
And you know this how? Election results not took place yet. The Election has not took place yet.

Damien 31-05-2017 21:40
Re: June 8th General Election
 
What are you lot talking about?

Osem 31-05-2017 21:43
Re: June 8th General Election
 
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35901235)
Good grief. The audience has been thoroughly stacked.
But the BBC is entirely unbiased... :rolleyes:

Damien 31-05-2017 21:50
Re: June 8th General Election
 
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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35901258)
But the BBC is entirely unbiased... :rolleyes:
I don't think the BBC select the audience, it's outsourced to the polling company.

There are a number of questions after that in how they've been selected, how do you decide to 'reflect the population' and are some more vocal than others. For example did they select people from Cambridge which may impact upon the audience? When Question Time is in some northern industrial towns for example they're far more Brexit-friendly than an audience in London.

The audience on Sky were more hostile to May on Monday as well. In the QT Leaders Specials in 2015 it was Miliband who got the worst of it.

I think the audience were hostile to the Tories but I don't think the BBC stacked the debate, even if your prone to believing they would this would be a very crude way to do it. Maybe they were just put on edge by May not turning up, remember a 'balanced' audience would still leave Tories in the minority.

Gary L 31-05-2017 21:56
Re: June 8th General Election
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35901254)
And you know this how? Election results not took place yet. The Election has not took place yet.
You not understanding.

It's the same as you saying the audience was definitely skewed in Corbyns favour.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35901256)
What are you lot talking about?
Corbyn being cheered.

1andrew1 31-05-2017 21:59
Re: June 8th General Election
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35901250)
May had won the election before she already called it. I don't see that being in question really.

What will be interesting is the size of the majority and May's own popularity rankings. She was very popular before the election and I think that this election might damage her more than they were expecting. Although I am wary of the polling showing it too close to call (doesn't make any sense) if it's even someway to being true then the majority might be smaller than was expected and that could cause rumbles within the party too.

What happens to Labour will be interesting. Whatever happens I think Corbyn has moved the party to the left and might actually succeed in shaping what they do next. Some of the principles will probably remain and are popular. Really you take the manifesto and give a different messenger and Labour might have had a chance in this election given the Tory stumbles.
I read an interesting article in the FT recently. It said that there was a division in the polling organisations between those who said that the turnout by young people would continue to be low and those who felt that there would be a key increase in young people voting.
The latter polls give the Conservatives a narrower lead and the former polls a bigger lead.
Following Brexit and Trump's victory, some polling organisations are more open to historic voting patterns ending hence their predictions of a higher turnout by younger people.

Damien 31-05-2017 22:02
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It was ComRes who choose the audience. That's one that has the Tories around 12 points clear. Weird. Unless they weighted it by the GE2015 result.

Gary L 31-05-2017 22:06
Re: June 8th General Election
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35901263)
It was ComRes who choose the audience. That's one that has the Tories around 12 points clear. Weird. Unless they weighted it by the GE2015 result.
LOL the conspiracy is that when they were vetted they said they were strong Cons supporters. but really being the opposite.

Mick 31-05-2017 22:07
Re: June 8th General Election
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35901259)
I don't think the BBC select the audience, it's outsourced to the polling company.

There are a number of questions after that in how they've been selected, how do you decide to 'reflect the population' and are some more vocal than others. For example did they select people from Cambridge which may impact upon the audience? When Question Time is in some northern industrial towns for example they're far more Brexit-friendly than an audience in London.

The audience on Sky were more hostile to May on Monday as well. In the QT Leaders Specials in 2015 it was Miliband who got the worst of it.

I think the audience were hostile to the Tories but I don't think the BBC stacked the debate, even if your prone to believing they would this would be a very crude way to do it.
There was many who didn't clap, I noticed when Corbyn spoke.

But there was a group who cheered and clapped him nearly every time and he was extra cheered outside when he arrived. It looked staged, like when cameras are allowed around North Korea and it's citizens put on an act for their leader. It's like he's being propped up to make him look more popular than possible ?

Gary L 31-05-2017 22:09
Re: June 8th General Election
 
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35901267)
There was many who didn't clap, I noticed when Corbyn spoke.

But there was a group who cheered and clapped him nearly every time and he was extra cheered outside when he arrived. It looked staged, like when cameras are allowed around North Korea and it's citizens put on an act for their leader. It's like he's being propped up to make him look more popular than possible ?
Yeh. and on a couple of occasions even he looked over to them surprised. thinking WTF are they?

Darn. did I just say that?

Damien 31-05-2017 22:10
Re: June 8th General Election
 
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35901267)
There was many who didn't clap, I noticed when Corbyn spoke.

But there was a group who cheered and clapped him nearly every time and he was extra cheered outside when he arrived. It looked staged, like when cameras are allowed North Korea and it's citizens put on an act for their leader. It's like he's being propped up to make him look more popular than possible ?
Outside there certainly would be. These people are active and passionate. Corbyn has been speaking at relatively large events and there are people who follow the Tories protesting everything. They will have turned up and waited for hours to cheer Corbyn coming in, it's not staged as such but it is organised by people like Momentum.

It was the same with his leadership campaign. A small but vocal support base but that doesn't represent the rest of the country.

1andrew1 31-05-2017 22:19
Re: June 8th General Election
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35901263)
It was ComRes who choose the audience. That's one that has the Tories around 12 points clear. Weird. Unless they weighted it by the GE2015 result.
No surprise really that the Brexit Broadcasting Corporation favours the use of such a pro-Conservative polling company.

Dave42 31-05-2017 22:20
Re: June 8th General Election
 
Matthew Goodwin‏ @GoodwinMJ 7m
7 minutes ago


More
New Yougov poll (not model)
Con 42
Lab 39
LD 7
Ukip 4
Others 8

Con lead = 3 pts

Damien 31-05-2017 22:24
Re: June 8th General Election
 
I don't understand how YouGov's poll can be right? If it is then we really don't know everything about how voters will behave. Part of Labour's resurgence seems to be Tory missteps and the return to two party politics but even so?

Dave42 31-05-2017 22:36
Re: June 8th General Election
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35901273)
I don't understand how YouGov's poll can be right? If it is then we really don't know everything about how voters will behave. Part of Labour's resurgence seems to be Tory missteps and the return to two party politics but even so?
yes think this is happening ukip just about done now like lib dems


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