Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

they'll both be out of a job soon so their opinion counts for nowt , we have lots of money they want lets try hard ball -no deal no dough .

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

That is totally true the EU Just wants the UK for it's cash they are not bothered if we are part of the brother hood as we were always sidelined anyway.

Cameron saying we have a voice and can make changes within the EU showed how little influance we had.

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

Blame the Leave leaders who wanted it, but couldn't because they were not leading the Government (PM)


Blame the Government who offered to do it quickly but were rebuffed by the EU.


Where is your condemnation of the EU?

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

I'm beginning to think CF has been infiltrated by Jean Claude Junker...

:D

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

It can be done unilaterally so I blame the government for not doing it. Simples.

Nothing to do with the EU 27. The EU can't decide this on their behalf, it's not the United States of Europe by a long chalk yet though the UK leaving the EU may result in such a thing being more likely.

On a lighter note, I found this rather amusing. :D

All hail Article 50 Day – let's celebrate with a bendy banana slide in Liam Fox Park and public shaming of Remoaners

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

And another thing: Nigel Farage should be knighted.

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

or sainthood bestowed upon him [our saviour ]

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

Kursk, you're ahead of the game sir. In this case, by 2 days :D:D:D

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

No this is important. There is no twisting here. Any idiot can do the simple mathematics. You need to accept the truth and move on.

We are all Leaving now so lets make sure we get a deal that caters for whole countries interests.

Surely even you cannot want a deal that alienates half the country. The word is compromise ..

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This is precisely the point yet some are too blind to see it. There is no Winners or Losers here. To paint this black and white picture would be something only a child would do.

The real world is more complex. May has to be shrewd and play to the UK's strengths but compromise where it is in the UK's long terms interests.

She must also take a view to the security of Europe and the threat of Putin's Russia. Putin was estactic that we voted to leave the EU. It plays directly into his hands of divide and conquer.

Only by standing together can Europe hope to call Putin's bluff.

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Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

A 'deep and special relationship' is fine between two sovereign nations, or a sovereign nation and the federal states of Europe. Surely that is to be encouraged? The key word is Sovereignty. Sovereignty, and all the decisions flows from it, is, in a nutshell, what Brexit was all about.

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

;)Except, as your Government has informed you, we do have sovereignty.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7559556.html

Think I may have found one advantage of Brexit! A cheaper way to drown our sorrows!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...e-beer-prices/

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

That is nonsense in any practicle sense. Linking to another Independent article
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7559066.html

Any country that seeds parts of ongoing law making, to a multinational court is not Soveriegn. End of.

Any rational thinking person defies sovereignty as:

Control of Borders
Control of taxes
Control of laws

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

Utter claptrap you been reading the Mail too much:rolleyes: .The very fact we had a referendum (put into law by Parliament) and then (Parliament) gave May permission to invoke A50 proves we haven't lost our sovereignty .Parliament always maintained it's authority over Europe ,Parliament allows European law to be enacted in the UK and could have withdrawn that permission at any time simply by revoking the European Communities act 1972

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The problem is that a lot of Brexiters on this forum don't actually realise how slim the margin was,all they see is 52% vs 48% which in no way reflects the will of the country as a whole .They don't actually want to admit that the will of the people wasn't represented at all by the result

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You are entitled to your opinion. BTW, I barely ever read the Mail.


I can see the hidden plan behind increasingly eroded national sovereignty. That is why many liberal (one world, living in peace and harmony; UN Agenda 2030) thinking people hate Brexit and Trump.

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

Wanting peace and harmony? I'll plead guilty to that.

Increasingly people seem to seek out confrontation for the sake of it. There must be losers and we must 'beat you' , and be as nasty as possible in the process (this forum is a perfect example of that !). I blame an increasing Americanisation of the UK and reality TV (e.g the Apprentice, wonder who was behind that? ;) ) It's the US that's eroding our 'Britishness' , not the EU.