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Gary L 18-03-2017 23:16
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Trump needs to bloody grow up!

Mick 18-03-2017 23:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35890658)

Unbelieveable. They act as one.
Rubbish - I stand by my assertion.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35890665)
Trump needs to bloody grow up!
Coming from you that's hilarious.:rolleyes:

Gary L 18-03-2017 23:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35890666)
Coming from you that's hilarious.:rolleyes:
Hi Mick. as grumpy as ever I see.

:rolleyes:

Mick 18-03-2017 23:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35890669)
Hi Mick. as grumpy as ever I see.

:rolleyes:
Never been grumpy. Just assertive.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35890647)
Really?

Spicer is the President's official Press Secretary and Communications Director, putting forward the President's views and position on matters - are you trying to say that Spicer doesn't do what his boss, the President, says?

Press Secretary
Yes really. I don't need a lecture on the duties of the White House, Press Secretary thanks and I repeat Spicer never made the accusation or invented it, he was quoting, you know that thing where you speak of what one person has said elsewhere.

Gary L 18-03-2017 23:44
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35890673)
Never been grumpy. Just assertive.
Yeh. my niece was the same when she was playing shopkeepers with me.

Yeh. have you ever known a president to twitter his thoughts on Twitter. then go back to ruling the world holding a baby's rattle and sucking a dummy. the man's a joke. and it's about time the Americans got rid of him.

1andrew1 18-03-2017 23:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35890673)
Never been grumpy. Just assertive.

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Yes really. I don't need a lecture on the duties of the White House, Press Secretary thanks and I repeat Spicer never made the accusation or invented it, he was quoting, you know that thing where you speak of what one person has said elsewhere.
I think you're missing the point Mick.
Month 1: Trump says people shouldn't be allowed to use sources unless they use somebody's name.
Month 2: Trump's press secretary quoted Judge Andrew Napolitano who used anonymous sources.
Do you honestly not see the problem? :confused:

Damien 19-03-2017 13:35
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Trump is at his golf resort again: http://postonpolitics.blog.mypalmbea...-coming-today/

TheDaddy 19-03-2017 22:20
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35890732)
Wonder what it costs to keep moving that circus around every five minutes

Damien 20-03-2017 15:32
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Hearing going on now. So far the FBI and head of the NSC have said there is no evidence from the FBI or the DOJ of a wiretap of Trump's phone nor of GCHQ doing so. Also the FBI confirmed an investigation of connections between Trump's staff and Russia.

http://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/come...trump?mod=e2tw

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Adm. Mike Rogers, the director of the National Security Agency, refuted the allegation first made by a Fox News commentator and subsequently read aloud by White House spokesman Sean Spicer that the U.S. asked a British intelligence agency to spy on Donald Trump during the presidential campaign.

"I have seen nothing at the NSA that we engaged in such activity," Adm. Rogers said, adding that to ask the British to spy on a U.S. citizen would violate U.S. law.

Fox News said Friday: "Fox News knows of no evidence of any kind that the now-president of the United States was surveilled at any time, in any way, full stop.” In a statement, GCHQ, which rarely comments on media reports, said any claim that the agency was asked to conduct surveillance on Mr. Trump is “utterly ridiculous.”

With the response from Adm. Rogers, all of Mr. Trump's key claims that his predecessor illegally spied on him have been refuted, both by Adm. Rogers and FBI Director James Comey, who earlier said there is no evidence at the FBI or the Department of Justice that Mr. Obama ordered a wiretap on Mr. Trump.

1andrew1 20-03-2017 15:51
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35890887)
Hearing going on now. So far the FBI and head of the NSC have said there is no evidence from the FBI or the DOJ of a wiretap of Trump's phone nor of GCHQ doing so. Also the FBI confirmed an investigation of connections between Trump's staff and Russia.

http://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/come...trump?mod=e2tw
Hopefully, the statements about the phone-tapping will be sufficient for everyone on this forum. I trust we can now all agree that the allegations originally made by Trump about wire-tapping originally and the subsequent GCHQ allegations made on Fox News and then repeated by Trump and Spicer are baseless.

Mick 20-03-2017 15:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35890887)
Hearing going on now. So far the FBI and head of the NSC have said there is no evidence from the FBI or the DOJ of a wiretap of Trump's phone nor of GCHQ doing so. Also the FBI confirmed an investigation of connections between Trump's staff and Russia.

http://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/come...trump?mod=e2tw

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A vital bit of detail you have missed out there. The House Intelligence Committee Chairman has said they are not ruling it out.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35890892)
Hopefully, the statements about the phone-tapping will be sufficient for everyone on this forum. I trust we can now all agree that the allegations originally made by Trump about wire-tapping originally and the subsequent GCHQ allegations made on Fox News and then repeated by Trump and Spicer are baseless.
No, not at all because the House Chairman has said they are not ruling it out.... Am I watching a different hearing here or what ? :rolleyes:

Damien 20-03-2017 16:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35890893)
A vital bit of detail you have missed out there. The House Intelligence Committee Chairman has said they are not ruling it out.

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No, not at all because the House Chairman has said they are not ruling it out.... Am I watching a different hearing here or what ? :rolleyes:
They said they're not ruling out other forms of surveillance. They looked for evidence of a wiretap because that was the specific accusation but they can't rule out other forms of surveillance.

However there was yet been no accusation of that. Trump needs to give evidence already or withdraw it. He won't of course.

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By the way it's up to Trump to provide some basis or evidence for what he said. Not fire off a random Tweet and then it's fine because everyone else has to prove it's wrong beyond doubt.

1andrew1 20-03-2017 16:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35890895)
By the way it's up to Trump to provide some basis or evidence for what he said. Not fire off a random Tweet and then it's fine because everyone else has to prove it's wrong beyond doubt.
I think that's the key point.
The onus of proof is on the accuser, not the accused. The accuser has supplied no evidence by the required deadline.
I could accuse Damien of spying on me or engaging someone to spy on me. He could never prove that he didn't ask someone to spy on me but that doesn't make him guilty. Even if he worked for GCHQ and he opened all their files, I could say that he asked a man down the pub to ask someone else to spy on me.

Mick 20-03-2017 16:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35890895)

By the way it's up to Trump to provide some basis or evidence for what he said. Not fire off a random Tweet and then it's fine because everyone else has to prove it's wrong beyond doubt.
I am in complete agreement with you here, he does need to show what he has and you will find I have said this a couple of times in this thread.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35890900)
I think that's the key point.
The onus of proof is on the accuser, not the accused. The accuser has supplied no evidence by the required deadline.
I could accuse Damien of spying on me or engaging someone to spy on me. He could never prove that he didn't ask someone to spy on me but that doesn't make him guilty. Even if he worked for GCHQ and he opened all their files, I could say that he asked a man down the pub to ask someone else to spy on me.
You have to ask though, who leaked the information on Michael Flynn speaking to Russian Ambassador about Russia sanctions, they were asking that in that hearing just now, and it clearly points to someone or a set of individuals in the intelligence community that possibly got hold of that information via snooping, you also have to ask how did they get intel on it and which it was then leaked to the press?

Damien 20-03-2017 16:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35890901)
You have to ask though, who leaked the information on Michael Flynn speaking to Russian Ambassador about Russia sanctions, they were asking that in that hearing just now, and it clearly points to someone or a set of individuals in the intelligence community that possibly got hold of that information via snooping, you also have to ask how did they get intel on it and which it was then leaked to the press?
Well it's a pretty good bet that the Russian Ambassador is having his phoned tapped.


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