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andy_m 29-12-2011 19:22
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I think there is often a tendency to think that because you want something, so must everybody else, and you therefore wrongly assume you are in a majority. Recent requests for reminders on Tivo and Sky Atlantic from people who can't understand why Virgin aren't giving their customers "what they all want" underline this fact. The truth its that Virgin are a business and will understand that if they want to make money then they do actually need to give the majority of their customers what they want at a price they want to pay for it. Sorry to say this to those of you who think 3d is the future, but, since recent reports suggest that it will take until 2016 for even just a third of households to have a 3d set, and even then only half will regularly watch 3d content, this is serious "minority" stuff. Whilst Virgin are giving a nod in the right direction with some decent on demand stuff, hopes of getting Sky 3d-given that there isn't a strong enough demand for even Sky Atlantic to be worth the asking price-are pie in the sky.

muppetman11 29-12-2011 19:51
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Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35352243)
I think there is often a tendency to think that because you want something, so must everybody else, and you therefore wrongly assume you are in a majority. Recent requests for reminders on Tivo and Sky Atlantic from people who can't understand why Virgin aren't giving their customers "what they all want" underline this fact. The truth its that Virgin are a business and will understand that if they want to make money then they do actually need to give the majority of their customers what they want at a price they want to pay for it. Sorry to say this to those of you who think 3d is the future, but, since recent reports suggest that it will take until 2016 for even just a third of households to have a 3d set, and even then only half will regularly watch 3d content, this is serious "minority" stuff. Whilst Virgin are giving a nod in the right direction with some decent on demand stuff, hopes of getting Sky 3d-given that there isn't a strong enough demand for even Sky Atlantic to be worth the asking price-are pie in the sky.
Hence why the majority of pay TV subscribers choose Sky.

Chad 29-12-2011 20:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35352255)
Hence why the majority of pay TV subscribers choose Sky.
I think another factor could be the general lack of coverage from Virgin in the UK.

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Virgin only cover about 20% of Scotland and 20% of Wales. There's also noticeable gaps throughout England. If Virgin had complete UK coverage, offering their current TV deals and broadband speeds would there still be such a large majority choosing SKY?

denphone 29-12-2011 20:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35352260)
I think another factor could be the general lack of coverage from Virgin in the UK.

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Virgin only cover about 20% of Scotland and 20% of Wales. There's also noticeable gaps throughout England. If Virgin had complete UK coverage, offering their current TV deals and broadband speeds would there still be such a large majority choosing SKY?
Exactly if Virgin had full coverage of the UK l suspect many many more customers would pick them instead of SKY.

alwaysabear 29-12-2011 20:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35352260)
I think another factor could be the general lack of coverage from Virgin in the UK.

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Virgin only cover about 20% of Scotland and 20% of Wales. There's also noticeable gaps throughout England. If Virgin had complete UK coverage, offering their current TV deals and broadband speeds would there still be such a large majority choosing SKY?
Obviously I live in a cable area, but I would say that Sky have a good 50% of the pay TV in my area going by the number of satellite dishes. Vm will also be facing BT infinity in the future and should this become available to Sky VM would not have the BB advantage they have now.

Kingofthedead4 29-12-2011 20:15
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Originally Posted by alwaysabear (Post 35352263)
Obviously I live in a cable area, but I would say that Sky have a good 50% of the pay TV in my area going by the number of satellite dishes.
We still have a dish, but we dont have sky.

paultrademark 29-12-2011 20:16
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Originally Posted by Kingofthedead4 (Post 35352265)
We still have a dish, but we dont have sky.
Likewise, so I don't think thats a good indication of userbase

devilincarnate 29-12-2011 20:18
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Originally Posted by Kingofthedead4 (Post 35352265)
We still have a dish, but we dont have sky.
Yes very true and how many still have the dish and get Freesat:D

muppetman11 29-12-2011 20:19
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Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35352243)
I think there is often a tendency to think that because you want something, so must everybody else, and you therefore wrongly assume you are in a majority. Recent requests for reminders on Tivo and Sky Atlantic from people who can't understand why Virgin aren't giving their customers "what they all want" underline this fact. The truth its that Virgin are a business and will understand that if they want to make money then they do actually need to give the majority of their customers what they want at a price they want to pay for it. Sorry to say this to those of you who think 3d is the future, but, since recent reports suggest that it will take until 2016 for even just a third of households to have a 3d set, and even then only half will regularly watch 3d content, this is serious "minority" stuff. Whilst Virgin are giving a nod in the right direction with some decent on demand stuff, hopes of getting Sky 3d-given that there isn't a strong enough demand for even Sky Atlantic to be worth the asking price-are pie in the sky.
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Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35352260)
I think another factor could be the general lack of coverage from Virgin in the UK.

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Virgin only cover about 20% of Scotland and 20% of Wales. There's also noticeable gaps throughout England. If Virgin had complete UK coverage, offering their current TV deals and broadband speeds would there still be such a large majority choosing SKY?
A valid point Chad , it will be interesting to see the numbers when Sky have a fibre optic product up and running , however I do agree coverage is an issue. My main gripe with VM was the wait for new channels to arrive , at the moment I'm enjoying the Texas v California game on ESPNA HD something I couldn't do on VM.

Chad 29-12-2011 20:31
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I don't want to sound like a snob, and please nobody take offence, but where I live the poorer areas are absolutely littered with SKY dishes. It's a trend which repeats itself in other local towns and cities. I have noticed however that the dishes tend to disappear when you enter more affluent areas where Virgin tends to dominate.

I remember when SKY first came out, having a dish was a badge of honour. It showed you could afford premium TV whilst others in your street couldn't. Is this still the same trend today? Do Virgin have more rigorous credit checks than SKY? In fact The SKY stall in The Howgate shopping centre in Falkirk proudly displays a sign stating "NO Credit Checks".

Just to clarify my Mum and Dad still have SKY, my mother and father-in-law have SKY and I almost joined them myself 3 months ago. I'm not looking down my nose at people with SKY, but I think there are many factors why SKY have almost double the customers Virgin do. It's more than just choice of channels.

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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35352268)
My main gripe with VM was the wait for new channels to arrive , at the moment I'm enjoying the Texas v California game on ESPNA HD something I couldn't do on VM.
I totally agree. It's the biggest gripe I have with them too. Whilst I eventually got Box Nation, my wife still goes on about SKY Atlantic! SKY are truly innovators when it comes to TV. Virgin at times seem happy with the scraps SKY throw their way. Well maybe I'm being a little harsh but some more SKY HD channels would be great.

windy 29-12-2011 20:41
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Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35352260)
I think another factor could be the general lack of coverage from Virgin in the UK.

[img]Download Failed (1)[/img]

Virgin only cover about 20% of Scotland and 20% of Wales. There's also noticeable gaps throughout England. If Virgin had complete UK coverage, offering their current TV deals and broadband speeds would there still be such a large majority choosing SKY?
Could i ask where you got that map from.:)

muppetman11 29-12-2011 20:49
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Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35352273)
I don't want to sound like a snob, and please nobody take offence, but where I live the poorer areas are absolutely littered with SKY dishes. It's a trend which repeats itself in other local towns and cities. I have noticed however that the dishes tend to disappear when you enter more affluent areas where Virgin tends to dominate.
Post of the year hands down :D Good one , all Sky subscribers are spam eating neanderthals. Anyway back to the trough.

Chad 29-12-2011 20:53
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Originally Posted by windy (Post 35352279)
Could i ask where you got that map from.:)
I've lost the link!

I do have this one too:

http://www.broadbandanalyst.co.uk/br...ble-broadband/

I assume the dark grey areas are those which Virgin cover, the areas in red are those which Virgin offer broadband in.

The map I posted earlier, and this map are completely independent from one another but do both appear to show the exact same areas or Virgin coverage.

Here's another version of the map:

http://www.fibreopticbroadband.co.uk...ailability.php



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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35352282)
Post of the year hands down :D Good one , all Sky subscribers are spam eating neanderthals. Anyway back to the trough.
:D You almost had me choking on my caviar!

denphone 29-12-2011 20:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35352283)
I've lost the link!

I do have this one too:

http://www.broadbandanalyst.co.uk/br...ble-broadband/

I assume the dark grey areas are those which Virgin cover, the areas in red are those which Virgin offer broadband in.

The map I posted earlier, and this map are completely independent from one another but do both appear to show the exact same areas or Virgin coverage.

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:D You almost had me choking on my caviar
Mmmm what shall l eat caviar or spam.:D:drool:

Chad 29-12-2011 21:02
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35352290)
Mmmm what shall l eat caviar or spam.:D:drool:
There's only one way to find out....

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2011/12/6.jpg

Sorry for turning this thread into a pile of rubbish!

denphone 29-12-2011 21:04
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Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35352291)
There's only one way to find out....

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2011/12/6.jpg
Perhaps you can set up a televised fight for BoxNation with you or MM as the referee.:D

Chad 29-12-2011 21:09
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35352293)
Perhaps you can set up a televised fight for BoxNation with you or MM as the referee.:D
That would push their subscription numbers through the roof:erm:

Out of interest, does anyone have any viewing or subscription figures for Box Nation? None are on BARB.

Also, in an attempt to get back on topic, does anyone know when UKTV and PBS On Demand will be launching on Virgin?

denphone 29-12-2011 21:11
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Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35352294)
That would push their subscription numbers through the roof:erm:

Out of interest, does anyone have any viewing or subscription figures for Box Nation? None are on BARB.

Also, in an attempt to get back on topic, does anyone know when UKTV and PBS On Demand will be launching on Virgin?
Hopefully some time early next year as SKY have already done a VOD deal with UKTV.

spiderplant 29-12-2011 21:45
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Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35352283)
I assume the dark grey areas are those which Virgin cover, the areas in red are those which Virgin offer broadband in.
Roughly speaking, grey is the cable franchise areas, red is what's actually cabled.

howardmicks 29-12-2011 21:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35352194)
The sonner we get Sky 3D the better, if we do get it that is...
They dont need to rush on this for me,Think they need to sort out the hd channels were missing before even considering this.whats the saying run before you can walk springs to mind

Henkesghost 29-12-2011 21:56
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Originally Posted by howardmicks (Post 35352321)
They dont need to rush on this for me,Think they need to sort out the hd channels were missing before even considering this.whats the saying run before you can walk springs to mind


Really don't see 3D having much of a future.

howardmicks 29-12-2011 22:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Henkesghost (Post 35352327)
Really don't see 3D having much of a future.
White elephant if you ask me

andrewstevenson 29-12-2011 23:00
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35352222)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35352194)
The sonner we get Sky 3D the better, if we do get it that is...
Long wait for that :shocked:
When I broached virgin and sky both said sky 3d will not be on the table for the foreseeable future as sky 3d has sky exclusives only in 3d

passingbat 29-12-2011 23:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by howardmicks (Post 35352350)
White elephant if you ask me
Which, presumably, if you have 3D, is the 'elephant in the room'? :)

muppetman11 29-12-2011 23:10
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Originally Posted by howardmicks (Post 35352350)
White elephant if you ask me
To be fair I like it , but I only see it being an add on for sometime to come.

timberheadverde 30-12-2011 04:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35352260)
I think another factor could be the general lack of coverage from Virgin in the UK.


Virgin only cover about 20% of Scotland and 20% of Wales. There's also noticeable gaps throughout England. If Virgin had complete UK coverage, offering their current TV deals and broadband speeds would there still be such a large majority choosing SKY?
This is more like an accurate map of Northern Ireland...

Only greater Belfast and Londonderry

http://i41.tinypic.com/e6ajra.png

OLD BOY 30-12-2011 13:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Henkesghost (Post 35352327)
Really don't see 3D having much of a future.
I agree; you can't watch 3D for too long without getting eye strain or headaches. The future probably lies in holographic TV, which according to 'Click' should be out by the end of 2012 or thereabouts. This enables the eyes to focus on one point rather than stretching each eye into unnatural positions.

Hopefully, VM will be ahead of the game for that, although I am not sure at this stage whether these images will be capable of being displayed from existing 3D channels or whether you need holographic channels to be able to do see the holographic images.

I, for one, will not be getting a 3D TV although I do think the visual experience is stunning. The subsequent risk of nausea and headache completely puts me off!

Alan Fry 30-12-2011 15:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35352260)
I think another factor could be the general lack of coverage from Virgin in the UK.

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/8...20coverage.png

Virgin only cover about 20% of Scotland and 20% of Wales. There's also noticeable gaps throughout England. If Virgin had complete UK coverage, offering their current TV deals and broadband speeds would there still be such a large majority choosing SKY?
After 20 years cable has only progessed that much!

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Will Virgin get UKTV VOD?

Jameseh 30-12-2011 16:51
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Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35352609)
Will Virgin get UKTV VOD?
Yes.

zantarous 30-12-2011 19:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35352570)
I agree; you can't watch 3D for too long without getting eye strain or headaches. The future probably lies in holographic TV, which according to 'Click' should be out by the end of 2012 or thereabouts. This enables the eyes to focus on one point rather than stretching each eye into unnatural positions.
If you google holographic TV apart from the first click link all the other sites estimate 2017 to 2022 for the arrival of holographic TV. Click are being very optimistic, if if was round the corner it would be widely talked about already. I reckon it is at lest 10 years off.

borrissey 31-12-2011 00:47
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Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35352283)
Quote:
Originally Posted by windy (Post 35352279)
Could i ask where you got that map from.:)
I've lost the link!

I do have this one too:y

http://www.broadbandanalyst.co.uk/br...ble-broadband/

I assume the dark grey areas are those which Virgin cover, the areas in red are those which Virgin offer broadband in.

The map I posted earlier, and this map are completely independent from one another but do both appear to show the exact same areas or Virgin coverage.

Here's another version of the map:

http://www.fibreopticbroadband.co.uk...ailability.php



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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35352282)
Post of the year hands down :D Good one , all Sky subscribers are spam eating neanderthals. Anyway back to the trough.
:D You almost had me choking on my caviar!
Yeah I spat my cognac out all over my smoking jacket..

DaMac 31-12-2011 08:48
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Originally Posted by zantarous (Post 35352701)
If you google holographic TV apart from the first click link all the other sites estimate 2017 to 2022 for the arrival of holographic TV. Click are being very optimistic, if if was round the corner it would be widely talked about already. I reckon it is at lest 10 years off.
Well at last years big A/V shows all the big manufacturers said they hoped to bring glasses free 3D to market in about 4 years but Toshiba have already relased there's it utillises facial recognition with a 4k led screen, cost you about $8,000 though.

zantarous 31-12-2011 14:06
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8K is way above what the market will pay so it is not really bringing it to market its the same reason we have not seen any 40"+ OLED screens yet as they are too expensive.

muppetman11 31-12-2011 19:51
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All the best to the regulars on here and remember drink in moderation :D

alwaysabear 31-12-2011 20:45
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35353023)
All the best to the regulars on here and remember drink in moderation :D
Happy New year everyone!:D

Dave42 31-12-2011 21:06
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Happy New Year Everyone :):)

richard1960 31-12-2011 22:39
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Happy new year to all the regulars and posters new no drink in moderation for me though am off to work soon.LOL:D:D

gba93 01-01-2012 12:09
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Happy new year to everyone - may 2012 be a good one :)

howardmicks 01-01-2012 12:14
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Happy new year folks !!!!!!!!!

OLD BOY 01-01-2012 12:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zantarous (Post 35352701)
If you google holographic TV apart from the first click link all the other sites estimate 2017 to 2022 for the arrival of holographic TV. Click are being very optimistic, if if was round the corner it would be widely talked about already. I reckon it is at lest 10 years off.
I must admit, I was surprised to hear that the end of 2012 was being mooted for the arrival of holographic TV. It'll take a few extra years on top of the arrival date before the price comes down to levels I can afford!

kgollop 01-01-2012 22:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35353023)
All the best to the regulars on here and remember drink in moderation :D
Wish I'd read this yesterday :D Happy new year everyone!

virginruinedntl 02-01-2012 11:23
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its time for mediaboy to make:

"Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2012) Vol. I"

Media Boy UK 02-01-2012 11:58
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Originally Posted by virginruinedntl (Post 35353549)
its time for mediaboy to make:

"Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2012) Vol. I"
New thread for 2012 has now launched at:

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/11...l#post35353558

Hugh 02-01-2012 13:01
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Closed at OP's request - link to latest thread above.


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