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AlexanderHanff 10-06-2008 11:30
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mark777 (Post 34572053)
Perhaps money bods get nervous when big companies feel the need to use the law to gag critics.
I would change that to "regulators" because they certainly aren't using the law, abusing maybe, but not using.

Alexander Hanff

Rchivist 10-06-2008 11:44
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mark777 (Post 34572053)
Conducting 'technical' trials to test the infrastructure before starting the 'user' trials (for which they will give 24hrs notice)?

IMO that's exactly the sort of stunt they would pull.

A small leak about this sort of thing could have fueled the mini-recovery in the share price we saw about a month ago.

BTW, the shares seem to be moving in the opposite direction to which I would have expected, given yesterday's announcement of the strategic alliance with the ICO. Good volumes as well.

Perhaps money bods get nervous when big companies feel the need to use the law to gag critics.
I'm not capable of interpreting this, but I am beginning this week, to see occasional blank pages when I attempt to refresh a web page especially within the BT sites. For example I just clicked on the BT logo on the top of the Beta forum page. Result, blank page with Done in the status bar, and www.bt.com in the address bar. Took three refreshes to get the BT Home page to actually display.

Looking at the Dephormation logs reveals a request (among all the cookie data, my primary BT email address and the .js requests) to
http://www.bt.com/static/includes/ho...//logging.html
which does give a blank page. - I wonder if it is sticking there - and why?

Please note ICO - this is a little technical trial, I can't be breaking any laws, and anyway it would be too difficult to explain owing to the technical nature of my investigation so you just carry on chasing Mrs Miggins.

Incidentally the url above
http://www.touchclarity.com/
is also completely blank and has no source code either. But no error message.

Seems to be on my MVPS supplied hosts file under
# [Omniture][Wildcard DNS]
Interesting?

Touchclarify seem to be involved in behavioural targeting.
http://www.prlog.org/10031979-halifa...targeting.html
Omniture TouchClarity works by building rich individual visitor behavioural profiles combined with automated predictive modelling and direct marketing techniques in order to enable real-time targeting of each visitor with the most engaging content. This results in higher conversion rates, and measurably increased revenue. The visitor response to online creative elements is also measured to ensure the best-performing creative execution is served.

Other industry-leading companies using Omniture TouchClarity include HSBC, BT (British Telecom),
Lloyds TSB, and Barclays.

vicz 10-06-2008 11:52
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Would this detect what they could be up to?

http://vancouver.cs.washington.edu/

SelfProtection 10-06-2008 12:01
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by R Jones (Post 34572062)
I'm not capable of interpreting this, but I am beginning this week, to see occasional blank pages when I attempt to refresh a web page. For example I just clicked on the BT logo on the top of the Beta forum page. Result, blank page with Done in the status bar, and www.bt.com in the address bar. Took three refreshes to get the BT Home page to actually display.

Looking at the Dephormation logs reveals a request (among all the cookie data, my primary BT email address and the .js requests) to
http://www.bt.com/static/includes/ho...//logging.html
which does give a blank page - I wonder if it is sticking there - and why?

Source Code of that page
<!-- Touch Clarity logging request. http://www.touchclarity.com
Copyright (c) Touch Clarity Ltd 2001-2002. All rights reserved. Patent Pending. -->
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<html><head><meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow"></head>
<body>
<script language="JavaScript">
var container = (document.layers ? window : parent);

function tc_create_content(cc_id,co_id,str){container.tc_se t_content(cc_id,co_id,str);}
function tc_send_report(){container.tc_report();}
tc_swf_content=container.tc_swf_content;

if (typeof container.tc_log_call!='undefined') {
if(typeof container.tc_referrer!='undefined') tc_referrer=container.tc_referrer;
document.write(container.tc_log_call);
}
</script>
</body></html>

Please note ICO - this is a little technical trial, I can't be breaking any laws, and anyway it would be too difficult to explain owing to the technical nature of my investigation so you just carry on chasing Mrs Miggins.
BT seem to have been do something on their pages for the last few weeks, particularly on refresh & linking from them to other sites.
The system inside BT gets very slow with persistent timeouts at times!

vicz 10-06-2008 12:22
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimllfixit (Post 34571569)
This is going to be a really simple questions to answer.

How would I know if my surfing experience was being looked at right now.

What are the Tell Tale Traces that someone has implemented PHORM on any network not just Virgin Medias.

Is there a tool? A device or some simple command that tells me somone is not feeding me the pages as I want them but as they want me to see them?

........
These guys are trying to develop 'tripwires' to detect eg NebuAd. Whether they would pickup phorm depends on how it eventually gets implemented I guess.

http://vancouver.cs.washington.edu/

Dephormation 10-06-2008 12:22
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
I was going to spoof this up, but apparently there is no need...

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/reader/04...pt#reader-page

Flick through the contents to viii, see the entry for page 42, "The Right to Have Your Data Protected".

I think I might purchase a gift wrapped copy for our friends in the ICO.

Florence 10-06-2008 12:34
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
I had noticed recently when I log in to the Beta forums I am getting a lot of redirects where I have to click on a link since I disabled redirects for a while was wondering which sites were redirecting the most so far BT hits the mark as the one with most redirects.

---------- Post added at 12:34 ---------- Previous post was at 12:24 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dephormation (Post 34572073)
I was going to spoof this up, but apparently there is no need...

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/reader/04...pt#reader-page

Flick through the contents to viii, see the entry for page 42, "The Right to Have Your Data Protected".

I think I might purchase a gift wrapped copy for our friends in the ICO.
Aww amaozon has stoped ppl looking inside that book of to staples to read the page..

Dephormation 10-06-2008 12:36
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Florence (Post 34572074)
I had noticed recently when I log in to the Beta forums I am getting a lot of redirects where I have to click on a link since I disabled redirects for a while was wondering which sites were redirecting the most so far BT hits the mark as the one with most redirects.
The Dephormation status monitoring feature will show you the redirects as 'location change' entries in the Error Console (and you can log the changes to file too). It will also reveal any monkey business with the cookies.

Rchivist 10-06-2008 12:38
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Another good selling day on Phorm shares- over £400K sold today and the price is nudging down again to 1100p

Privacy_Matters 10-06-2008 12:47
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by R Jones (Post 34572062)
Incidentally the url above
http://www.touchclarity.com/
is also completely blank and has no source code either. But no error message.
I was redirected to the link below:

http://www.omniture.com/en/products/...rget?s_cid=824

Wildie 10-06-2008 12:53
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
just done a trace route having issues with ff crashing out pages been blank, here is a old trace 20 may
Tracing route to www.l.google.com [66.249.93.104]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 32 ms 100 ms 99 ms xxxxxxxx [192.168.1.254]
2 27 ms 23 ms 25 ms esr5.sheffield3.broadband.bt.net [217.

3 25 ms 25 ms 25 ms 217.47.73.13
4 26 ms 24 ms 25 ms 217.41.176.17
5 96 ms 207 ms 202 ms 217.41.176.66
6 25 ms 25 ms 24 ms 217.41.176.78
7 25 ms 25 ms 24 ms 217.41.176.46
8 26 ms 25 ms 25 ms 217.47.19.114
9 25 ms 24 ms 26 ms core1-pos4-1.sheffield.ukcore.bt.net [
.181]
10 26 ms 31 ms 30 ms core1-pos8-0.birmingham.ukcore.bt.net
146]
11 33 ms 32 ms 32 ms core3-pos0-8-0-4.ealing.ukcore.bt.net
.253]
12 31 ms 31 ms 31 ms core1-pos10-0-0.redbus.ukcore.bt.net [
254]
13 33 ms 33 ms 33 ms 195.99.125.110
14 41 ms 43 ms 74 ms 72.14.232.149
15 76 ms 43 ms 42 ms 72.14.233.79
16 43 ms 50 ms 51 ms 216.239.47.229
17 43 ms 42 ms * 216.239.47.229
18 42 ms 42 ms 42 ms ug-in-f104.google.com [66.249.93.104]

Trace complete.

today

Tracing route to www.l.google.com [66.102.9.104]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 93 ms 99 ms 99 ms xxxxxxx [192.168.1.254]
2 25 ms 24 ms 23 ms esr5.sheffield3.broadband.bt.net [217

3 24 ms 26 ms 24 ms 217.47.73.13
4 25 ms 24 ms 25 ms 217.47.73.170
5 25 ms 25 ms 33 ms 217.41.176.17
6 26 ms 25 ms 24 ms 217.41.176.66
7 26 ms 24 ms 25 ms 217.41.176.126
8 24 ms 24 ms 26 ms 217.41.176.38
9 25 ms 25 ms 24 ms 213.123.110.114
10 24 ms 24 ms 24 ms core1-pos14-0.sheffield.ukcore.bt.net
1.165]
11 28 ms 27 ms 28 ms core1-pos8-0.birmingham.ukcore.bt.net
146]
12 30 ms 30 ms 30 ms core1-pos0-6-4-0.ilford.ukcore.bt.net
58]
13 30 ms 30 ms 30 ms core1-pos6-0-0.redbus.ukcore.bt.net [
98]
14 31 ms 31 ms 30 ms 194.74.65.38
15 31 ms 31 ms 31 ms 209.85.255.175
16 42 ms 45 ms 42 ms 209.85.251.190
17 43 ms 43 ms 44 ms 72.14.232.237
18 46 ms 54 ms 53 ms 64.233.174.14
19 41 ms 43 ms 42 ms lm-in-f104.google.com [66.102.9.104]

Trace complete.

notice the extra hop this time round.

Rchivist 10-06-2008 13:01
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Privacy_Matters (Post 34572090)
I was redirected to the link below:

http://www.omniture.com/en/products/...rget?s_cid=824
that's on my hosts list too.

---------- Post added at 13:01 ---------- Previous post was at 12:55 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dephormation (Post 34572080)
The Dephormation status monitoring feature will show you the redirects as 'location change' entries in the Error Console (and you can log the changes to file too). It will also reveal any monkey business with the cookies.
What's the Error Console Pete? - I've got 2.1 version.

tarka 10-06-2008 13:12
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Again this is just an opinion but the share price could find some "psychological" support at £10 a share....if the price drops below that for more than a few days it's will probably struggle to climb back above it without any positive news (positive as far as Phorm are concerned).

---------- Post added at 13:12 ---------- Previous post was at 13:09 ----------

also I have noticed getting the odd blank page when browsig too (I'm with BT but no longer tied in to a contract). The only site I can remember it happening on was cableforum when I have refreshed a page but it has happened on other sites. I didn't think anything of it until it was brought up here.

Rchivist 10-06-2008 13:19
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tarka (Post 34572110)
Again this is just an opinion but the share price could find some "psychological" support at £10 a share....if the price drops below that for more than a few days it's will probably struggle to climb back above it without any positive news (positive as far as Phorm are concerned).

---------- Post added at 13:12 ---------- Previous post was at 13:09 ----------

also I have noticed getting the odd blank page when browsig too (I'm with BT but no longer tied in to a contract). The only site I can remember it happening on was cableforum when I have refreshed a page but it has happened on other sites. I didn't think anything of it until it was brought up here.

Do you run a hosts file?
Mine is the MVPS one which is pretty rigorous.

tarka 10-06-2008 13:29
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
no I don't run any hosts files at the moment. my reason for staying with BT as long as I have is in the hope I would be invited to the trial so I could attempt to analyse it's effects. Firstly without any hosts file or blocking in place, then with various types of 'countermeasure' in place. If I do get invited I will swiftly be requesting my mac code and gathering as much info as I can before switching to another provider.

Edited to add I'll be switching to another provider either way as BT no longer deserve my custom. ;)


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