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Carth 12-03-2019 15:30
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35986246)
Why? The EU literally signed a trade deal with Japan the other month, an economy bigger than ours.
Yes, the country that supplies cars, electronics and whatever else to Europe. The UK on the other hand supplies . . . well, not much really

mrmistoffelees 12-03-2019 15:31
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35986249)
Yes, the country that supplies cars, electronics and whatever else to Europe. The UK on the other hand supplies . . . well, not much really
Fruit & veg.


Oh, hang on a minute

Dave42 12-03-2019 15:57
Re: Brexit
 
sammy wilson confirmed on sky news dup voting against deal

denphone 12-03-2019 16:00
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35986254)
sammy wilson confirmed on sky news dup voting against deal
Not a surprise Dave.

Dave42 12-03-2019 16:12
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35986255)
Not a surprise Dave.
no it just a matter how big defeat for deal will be Den then no deal voted down tomorrow

OLD BOY 12-03-2019 16:52
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35986259)
no it just a matter how big defeat for deal will be Den then no deal voted down tomorrow
In which case, either the 'no deal' option becomes law (legislation is already in place for us to leave on 29 March) or it's a General Election.

Contrary to what some think, the General Election is not such a bad idea. Parliament gets dissolved, so no more House of Commons nonsense, and Theresa May goes into the election with a mandate to deliver Brexit on a no deal basis. That will put Labour on the defensive. Most people believe that Labour is all over the place on this subject and blame Labour for being obstructive, coupled with which Jeremy Corbyn has lost his popularity and considered a dead duck, even by Labour supporters.

What could go wrong for Theresa? :erm:

ianch99 12-03-2019 17:30
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35986265)
In which case, either the 'no deal' option becomes law (legislation is already in place for us to leave on 29 March) or it's a General Election.

Contrary to what some think, the General Election is not such a bad idea. Parliament gets dissolved, so no more House of Commons nonsense, and Theresa May goes into the election with a mandate to deliver Brexit on a no deal basis. That will put Labour on the defensive. Most people believe that Labour is all over the place on this subject and blame Labour for being obstructive, coupled with which Jeremy Corbyn has lost his popularity and considered a dead duck, even by Labour supporters.

What could go wrong for Theresa? :erm:
You cannot transpose single subject Referendum with a General Election manifesto. They serve two radically different purposes. One presents a single issue and the other a spectrum of policy proposals.

You just sound desperate to suggest this ..

Chris 12-03-2019 17:36
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35986265)
In which case, either the 'no deal' option becomes law (legislation is already in place for us to leave on 29 March) or it's a General Election.

Contrary to what some think, the General Election is not such a bad idea. Parliament gets dissolved, so no more House of Commons nonsense, and Theresa May goes into the election with a mandate to deliver Brexit on a no deal basis. That will put Labour on the defensive. Most people believe that Labour is all over the place on this subject and blame Labour for being obstructive, coupled with which Jeremy Corbyn has lost his popularity and considered a dead duck, even by Labour supporters.

What could go wrong for Theresa? :erm:
Bizarrely a Kantar/TNS poll gave the Tories a 10 point lead this week, but a general election would still be a very risky strategy. Dissolving parliament now would ensure a No Deal outcome because there would not be a new parliament in place before 29 March. There is a bit of a convention around governments (which remain in power during an election campaign) doing anything significant to the country while an election is in the offing. I’d say watching the UK leave the EU with no transition arrangements in place, and the attendant likelihood of urgent action being required, would qualify as significant. It would be constitutionally dodgy and it could well be electorally disastrous.*

However, if an extension is granted I wouldn’t rule out a snap election following shortly afterwards to try to break the deadlock. The parliamentary maths are clearly impossible as things stand, there’s no obvious way of getting any deal through parliament this month or next, and if it’s not done and dusted by May, by law we will have to hold European elections, which Nigel Farage would doubtless win by a country mile, to the embarrassment of both main parties and the EU, for whom symbols like the parliament are important and for whom the presence of Farage and his type are an insult.

*(edit) also, the last person who tried sending MPs home and governing without them because he didn’t like what he was being told was Charles I, and we know how that worked out for him.

Dave42 12-03-2019 17:51
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35986265)
In which case, either the 'no deal' option becomes law (legislation is already in place for us to leave on 29 March) or it's a General Election.

Contrary to what some think, the General Election is not such a bad idea. Parliament gets dissolved, so no more House of Commons nonsense, and Theresa May goes into the election with a mandate to deliver Brexit on a no deal basis. That will put Labour on the defensive. Most people believe that Labour is all over the place on this subject and blame Labour for being obstructive, coupled with which Jeremy Corbyn has lost his popularity and considered a dead duck, even by Labour supporters.

What could go wrong for Theresa? :erm:
Theresa May said in parliament to answer to Yvette Cooper she bring in legislation to change law if no deal voted down

OLD BOY 12-03-2019 17:52
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35986272)
You cannot transpose single subject Referendum with a General Election manifesto. They serve two radically different purposes. One presents a single issue and the other a spectrum of policy proposals.

You just sound desperate to suggest this ..
I am certainly desperate for the Conservatives to get a good majority so that we can get a government that can govern.

Jeremy is a dead man walking now, so there’s a better prospect this time round that we will get a Conservative majority.

Hugh 12-03-2019 18:16
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35986276)
I am certainly desperate for the Conservatives to get a good majority so that we can get a government that can govern.

Jeremy is a dead man walking now, so there’s a better prospect this time round that we will get a Conservative majority.
That worked so well last time she tried that...

Dave42 12-03-2019 18:19
Re: Brexit
 
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Sky News prediction - PM will lose by more than 100 votes

345 MPs have indicated they will vote against

220 MPs for

72 MPs unknown

Thanks to @breeallegretti @katewilsea who called it right on MV1

OLD BOY 12-03-2019 18:45
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35986275)
Theresa May said in parliament to answer to Yvette Cooper she bring in legislation to change law if no deal voted down
It will be interesting to see if she will follow that through. I think it would be a mistake to rule out no deal. What else is there that would not infuriate the voters?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35986280)
That worked so well last time she tried that...
When Jeremy was popular. Look at him now.

Dave42 12-03-2019 18:45
Re: Brexit
 
Pound down as Brexit vote hopes fall away

https://news.sky.com/story/pound-dow...edium=referral

OLD BOY 12-03-2019 18:47
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35986273)
Bizarrely a Kantar/TNS poll gave the Tories a 10 point lead this week, but a general election would still be a very risky strategy. Dissolving parliament now would ensure a No Deal outcome because there would not be a new parliament in place before 29 March. There is a bit of a convention around governments (which remain in power during an election campaign) doing anything significant to the country while an election is in the offing. I’d say watching the UK leave the EU with no transition arrangements in place, and the attendant likelihood of urgent action being required, would qualify as significant. It would be constitutionally dodgy and it could well be electorally disastrous.*

However, if an extension is granted I wouldn’t rule out a snap election following shortly afterwards to try to break the deadlock. The parliamentary maths are clearly impossible as things stand, there’s no obvious way of getting any deal through parliament this month or next, and if it’s not done and dusted by May, by law we will have to hold European elections, which Nigel Farage would doubtless win by a country mile, to the embarrassment of both main parties and the EU, for whom symbols like the parliament are important and for whom the presence of Farage and his type are an insult.

*(edit) also, the last person who tried sending MPs home and governing without them because he didn’t like what he was being told was Charles I, and we know how that worked out for him.
Yes, a poll and a short extension to Brexit to allow the legislation to go through is now the most plausible solution.


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