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We are indeed talking about two different things. However the post I replied to clearly referred to a ceiling of people to infect. A number of vaccines have been shown to have near zero efficacy against Omicron infection.

Vaccines will likely change the numbers getting seriously ill and/or die. But they aren’t likely to dent the Omicron spread.

I’m not sure they’re “my own terms” when they’re the headlines all the major vaccine manufacturers were happy to run with in their own press releases.

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Pretty much.
Our works party got canned (not that I go to it anyway).
The pub I went to for a meal last night was as busy as usual.

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Sky reporting deaths with omicron have gone from 1 on Tuesday, to 7 as of Thursday

Of course, usual caveats etc. apply

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A lot of Football matches have been postponed today, I presume due to covid issues.

(or possibly issues implementing the latest checking rules ?)

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Most I’ve heard relate to players. Hopefully Arsenal goes ahead so I can watch something.

On a side note a couple of clubs reduced their capacity to get around checking rules. Aberdeen did that up here - max capacity 9,999.

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The EFL said the other day 25% of players are refusing a vaccine.


Given that pretty much all of them are under 40 and have only just become eligible for a booster, even if they were double jabbed before, it's not surprising there are outbreaks at the moment.

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Or a day or two…

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...erday-12499092

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Rather ignorant view to the point that MILLIONS of people have caught Covid-19, even before the vaccines were even released for general use, myself included and they had absolutely no symptoms.

The fact of the matter is, you can catch a lot of bugs and viruses and live on, many catch Flu and survive, many others sadly, do not but we learned to live with these illnesses - we got to stop panicking at every turn.

I am seeing on the ground, cancer issues being discovered far too late because people cannot get appointments, missed opportunities like these are going to cost many lives, we got to get the NHS back to being a National Health Service and not a National Covid Service.

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90418 new cases announced today.

125 deaths.

1598910 tests

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Then it had to be balanced between treating covid & treating routine/urgent care.

If you allow covid to go unchecked then how long before such significant levels of primary/secondary health care professionals are unable to work due to either sickness or needing to isolate? What’s going to happen to those needing treatment for ‘normal’ issues and those with covid then?

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Hospitals have not become overwhelmed, so that is a red herring.

Covid has already been treated and has not been left unchecked. We have the vaccines. We were told they were our way out of it. We also have natural immunity to help.

We can’t ignore thousands of other medical problems that can be fatal if left unchecked this is the much bigger problem, not Covid.

Lockdowns do not work. Circuit breaker lockdowns don’t work either. Many will not comply, myself included. This madness of keep stopping & starting everything has to end now.

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Didnt Wales try a "Circuit Breaker" last year.
Did it really achieve much ? The whole UK went into lockdown anyway.

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That’s not what I’m asking, I’m asking you what will happen if you let the virus flood through society, the answer is that masses of primary & secondary health care professionals will be either off sick, or self isolating. both sets would potentially be unable to provide care to either covid or normal patients.

You’re right hospitals haven’t become overwhelmed yet, either in previous waves because we had lockdowns or in this wave because of course there is the lag between infection and hospitalisation. It is interesting however that London’s hospitalisation rate is up 30% week on week where the current epicentre of omicron infections is. I hope I’m wrong but I believe in the next 2-3 weeks we will see significant admissions. Time will tell.


Vaccines were our way out of this until the omicron variant came along, they’re now not as much the silver bullet that they originally were.

Natural immunity is not a protection against reinfection from omicron (or so the scientists say)

Turning to lockdowns, they’ve always been stated that their job was to suppress the spread of infection and to protect the NHS, nothing else. To that end they did their job exactly as was required.


Lastly, it is of course your choice should you wish to, and no doubt there will be a number of people who will agree and act in the same way. However, it appears in general that the British public are acting more cautiously.


Just my 2c

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Wales have also had COVID passports, but they’ve decided to Dutch them now and just close nightclubs after some arbitrary date.

It’s all about optics, being seen to be doing something, when nothing is what might need to be done.

I remain nonplussed about any of it at the moment. Even with the infection numbers (and I read the update on the government U.K. HSA site and I consider myself intelligent but they don’t make it easy to understand) where they are, we are still miles away from where we were last year in regards to hospitalisation and death.

The vaccines are working and even with reduced properties due to Omicron, they still appear to be effective. Continue with the boosters, I had mine yesterday, I think we may be able to get through without further restrictions. Also turn off Sky and the BBC you’ll feel better………works for me.

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I ordered some this morning no problem.