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Carth 01-05-2021 23:12
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36078555)
You're crediting the EU's actions on vaccine procurement with more respect than they deserve, Chris. They've blundered along like a drunk in a dark alleyway and eventually have reached the correct route with this week's court hearings.
So you think the EU are correct in challenging an agreement they made with AstraZeneca which - apparently - contained the phrase "best reasonable efforts", and now because the incompetent and 'tight-arsed' EU realise their mistake they're also demanding vaccine from from the UK, who made a much better deal.

get that chip off your shoulder mate, it's dragging you down :p:

1andrew1 02-05-2021 00:12
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36078566)
So you think the EU are correct in challenging an agreement they made with AstraZeneca which - apparently - contained the phrase "best reasonable efforts", and now because the incompetent and 'tight-arsed' EU realise their mistake they're also demanding vaccine from from the UK, who made a much better deal.

get that chip off your shoulder mate, it's dragging you down :p:
What I'm saying - and I do hope you're able to step up and agree with me on this - is that if the EU or any other purchaser has a dispute with the AstraZeneca then they should sort it out with them, using the courts as a last resort. They shouldn't resort to back door solutions like blocking exports.

Sephiroth 02-05-2021 07:42
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36078585)
What I'm saying - and I do hope you're able to step up and agree with me on this - is that if the EU or any other purchaser has a dispute with the AstraZeneca then they should sort it out with them, using the courts as a last resort. They shouldn't resort to back door solutions like blocking exports.
Your statement above sits oddly with what you said in this post:

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But the very fact that the EU have not switched off the tap is a friendly act, is it not? If preventing vaccine exports is an unfriendly act, how do we stand with the USA? Is India being unfriendly by stopping Serum Institute manufactured vaccine exports?

1andrew1 02-05-2021 18:58
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36078592)
Your statement above sits oddly with what you said in this post:
The post you quote was posted by someone else entirely - jonbxx! :D

Sephiroth 02-05-2021 19:14
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36078614)
The post you quote was posted by someone else entirely - jonbxx! :D
Bit of an oops there. Sorry.

Mad Max 02-05-2021 19:18
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36078618)
Bit of an oops there. Sorry.

A senior moment :D

1andrew1 02-05-2021 22:08
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
How it started:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36067588)
The UK has put the EU into its place. It's really upset them and they deserve no less for their arrogance. They're treating us like shit and it would be a weakness on our part if we caved. We are not being petty.
How it finshed:

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Britain set to formally recognise EU's ambassador for first time

Row over status of Joćo Vale de Almeida has 'chilled' relationship between London and Brussels

Foreign Office sources have now told The Times that the decision has led to an “unhealthy chilling effect” on talks between diplomats on both sides in Brussels.

In retaliation to the move, Britain’s ambassador to Brussels was frozen out of negotiations, with sources adding that negotiations on key areas such as fishing and customs had been made more difficult.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...st-time-since/

Sephiroth 02-05-2021 23:14
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36078626)
Consolation prize would be that the UK re-affirms that it considers the EU to be an "international organisation" (which it really is) but is making the concession for pragmatic reasons.

The EU are not our friends and we should make that clear.

Sephiroth 05-05-2021 08:42
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Who'd a thought it? Here's the paywall link for those able:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...aign=DM1409761


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France threatens to cut off Jersey's electricity as Brexit fishing row grows
Self-governing British Crown Dependency would face all-island power cuts if the French threat was carried out
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France threatened to cut off Jersey's electricity supplies on Tuesday as the row over post-Brexit fishing rights between Paris and London deepened.

"We are ready to use these retaliation measures," Annick Girardin, the maritime minister, told lawmakers in the French parliament. "I am sorry it has come to this. We will do so if we have to."

Ms Giradin mentioned the underwater cables that supply Jersey, the largest of the Channel Islands, with about 95 percent of its electricity and suggested they could be shut down. The remaining five per cent of its electricity is provided by on-island diesel generators.
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On Friday, the UK authorised 41 ships to fish in waters off Jersey. The French fisheries ministry said this was accompanied by new demands "which were not arranged or discussed, and which we were not notified about".

The new measures set out "where the ships can go and cannot go", as well as the number of days the fishermen can spend at sea and using what machinery, the ministry claimed.

"This is absolutely unacceptable," Ms Girardin said. "If we accept this for Jersey, it would imperil our access everywhere."

David Jones, the deputy chairman of the European Research Group of Tory MPs, told The Telegraph: "This is straightforward demanding money with menaces, which is not the way a 21st century democratic country behaves. The simple fact is this is bullying in order to get the UK to back down on fishing."

1andrew1 05-05-2021 09:20
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36078804)
Who'd a thought it?
Especially when we were promised downsides wouldn't happen.
Quote:
"There will be no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside."
David Davis, 14 July 2016

Sephiroth 05-05-2021 09:46
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36078807)
Especially when we were promised downsides wouldn't happen.
Quote:
"There will be no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside."
David Davis, 14 July 2016
Who'd a thought that the EU would be as nasty as it is? (Quite a few of us, actually).
Who'd a thought that Mrs. May would take orders from the EU?

Chris 05-05-2021 10:09
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36078807)
Especially when we were promised downsides wouldn't happen.
I'm pretty sure David Davis didn't have in mind the sort of sanctions the civilised world reserves for rogue states. Why would he have?

You sound more and more like Lord Haw-Haw, Andrew.

1andrew1 05-05-2021 10:16
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36078815)
I'm pretty sure David Davis didn't have in mind the sort of sanctions the civilised world reserves for rogue states. Why would he have?

You sound more and more like Lord Haw-Haw, Andrew.
French fishermen are amongst the most militant workers in Europe and known for their undue influence. To pretend otherwise is delusional.

But in the context of this situation, I'm very dubious of this threat getting remotely close to being carried out.

Hugh 05-05-2021 10:16
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Fuller explanation from the Jersey local press.

https://jerseyeveningpost.com/news/2...ng-row-erupts/

I think the French have over-reacted.

1andrew1 05-05-2021 10:54
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36078818)
Fuller explanation from the Jersey local press.

https://jerseyeveningpost.com/news/2...ng-row-erupts/

I think the French have over-reacted.
French fishermen over-react? Surely not. :D


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