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Damien

29-03-2019 18:23

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35989094)

Interesting that if every Tory MP had backed their own leader the vote would have passed.

I truly wish I understood what the ERG strategy is here. Do they still think No Deal is on?

Personality vanity trumps logic I think. They want to be morally pure on the issue of Brexit, completely clean and uncompromising in their faith, even if that means losing it all together. No different to the people on the left that happily lose election after election so long as they never compromise their idealistic socialism.

Hom3r

29-03-2019 19:11

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The SNP will never back it, they want the impossible.

They want to be independant and remain in the EU, but Jimmy Krankie can't get it in to her bimbo brasin if she leaves the UK, she leaves the EU on that day.

Damien

29-03-2019 19:50

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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35989116)

She understands it perfectly well and is using it to her advantage. The SNP's main goal is not to remain in the EU but to have an Independent Scotland, the SNP itself is not as pro-EU as people think.

I think the best case scenario for them is the UK remains after a second referendum that the SNP is widely seen in Scotland to have brought about. It gives her an argument for a second Scottish Independence vote and whilst leaving the EU could help them the turmoil of it all would make Scots think twice about going though it all again.

pip08456

29-03-2019 22:06

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If only.

denphone

30-03-2019 07:50

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Dominic Grieve loses confidence vote held by Beaconsfield Tories.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...nsfield-tories

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The remain-supporting Conservative MP, Dominic Grieve, is facing deselection by his party after losing a confidence vote held by his local association by 182 to 131 votes.

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Grieve has been at the centre of the Tories’ internal battle over Brexit and told MPs last week he had “never felt more ashamed” of his party. But he said he has no intention of leaving it, despite the moves to oust him.

Hugh	30-03-2019 08:21

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35989130)

Dominic Grieve loses confidence vote held by Beaconsfield Tories.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...nsfield-tories

A bit of context...

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b...vote-fjr5c8pbx

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The deselection effort was led by Jon Conway, a former Ukip candidate who stood against him in 2017...

...Leaders in the Beaconsfield Conservatives blamed a “Ukip rent-a-mob” for swaying the vote. Matt Bezzant, 27, deputy chairman of the Beaconsfield Conservatives, said: “Dominic won with 36,000 votes last year.

“The Ukip candidate won 1,600 votes and he doesn’t speak for the electorate. They haven’t been at any meetings. Why didn’t they go about this in the ordinary channels?”

Funnily enough, in the Beaconsfield constituency, Leave polled 49% and Remain polled 51%, so Grieve could be said to be representing his electorate...

denphone

30-03-2019 08:41

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35989132)

A bit of context...

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b...vote-fjr5c8pbx

Funnily enough, in the Beaconsfield constituency, Leave polled 49% and Remain polled 51%, so Grieve could be said to be representing his electorate...

The Conservative Party has always done well when it represents itself as a broad church but it is increasingly becoming a narrow, intolerant sect and once down that road it becomes increasingly unelectable IMO and personally l can see a big split coming down the road..

l don't agree with some of Dominic Grieve views but once you start to treat a politician who is well respected across all parties then you are on a downhill path.

papa smurf

30-03-2019 09:08

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35989130)

Dominic Grieve loses confidence vote held by Beaconsfield Tories.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...nsfield-tories

The first of many ?

Sephiroth

30-03-2019 09:18

Re: Brexit (New).

To my mind, the conditions that the EU wants to impose if we crash out and then wish to open trade talks are too onerous for the UK to accept. I believe that they chucked the £39 billion in as well.

Should we have a Leave PM, then we can say no to the EU bullies;,we’ve already announced our tariffs and all that will settle down.

The only other sensible course is to remain in the EU and constantly prick them with our picador sticks. The edifice May crumble anyway given the fact that the Euro is not properly underpinned by across-EU assets and fiscal policies.

Chris

30-03-2019 09:23

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35989136)

I’m glad to see I’m not the only one who has discussed Brexit online so much that I routinely get “may” autocorrected to “May”. :D

I also get word completion suggestions from Br(exit) Pa(rliament) Bac(kstop) and refe(rendums). :spin:

Sephiroth

30-03-2019 09:41

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.... all part of the rich tapestry of Brexit.

Damien

30-03-2019 10:08

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35989132)

And the person behind the campaign to deselect him was the UKIP candidate who stood against him last time. It’s becoming like Labour where the local parties are making sure the MP represents them first ahead of the wider constituency.

Mick	30-03-2019 14:14

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35989132)

Oh perhaps his constituency have changed their minds and now support leave, surely they are entitled to change their minds ? (Which is typical Remainer mantra but only when it suits :rolleyes: ).

Dominic Grieve wanted a ‘people’s vote’ and he got one, in the form of his own constituency, which have voted him out. A well deserved outcome for an individual that betrayed his own country to become an activist for the corrupted European Union.

Angua

30-03-2019 14:18

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35989132)

To be strictly accurate, there can only be a best estimate for Beaconsfield, as the referendum result area was different to the constituency area.

South Bucks voted Leave by just over 500 votes, where Wycombe voted Remain, but only West Wycombe is in the Beaconsfield constituency.

Hugh	30-03-2019 14:25

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35989167)

Oh perhaps his constituency have changed their minds and now support leave, surely they are entitled to change their minds ? (Which is typical Remainer mantra but only when it suits :rolleyes: ).

Dominic Grieve wanted a ‘people’s vote’ and he got one, in the form of his own constituency, which have voted him out. A well deserved outcome for an individual that betrayed his own country to become an activist for the corrupted European Union.

Hyperbolic language doesn’t help either side...

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