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What a nonce. Jeremy has shot himself in the foot and wishes he had died; and in a way, he did. :D

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It would be more appropriate if he'd sent condolences at the death of the Labour party. :D

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Perhaps this bi-axis overview of the Left / Right / Libertarian / Authoritarian conundrum will help you out. You do seem to struggle with impartiality on this subject.

Where would you place yourself on this chart? I would place myself towards the bottom left corner of the left/libertarian quadrant. Communists would, I suppose, be well inside the left authoritarian quadrant. Adolf, (despite the deliberately misnamed National Socialist Party), would be well into the right/authoritarian quadrant. Where might we place Cameron, May, Corbyn, Bernie Sanders or Obama. We all know where we can stick Trump!! :D

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For your own entertainment, rather than scientific enlightenment, you can test yourself for placement on the chart.

https://www.politicalcompass.org/

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Mmm we don't like graphs or charts or facts round here, members that post them have been known to have been driven of the forum by the mob

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having a hissy fit and flouncing off because people disagree with you is not being driven off its just having a childish tantrum .

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Come on he was being stalked and mobbed every post, related or not

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I would place myself higher on the liberal axis and slightly to the left of the left/right axis. However I don't think that contradicts what I said. My objection is the idea left = liberal when you rightly point out that it doesn't. At least not automatically.

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is that a lofty lefty then ;)

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I'm not even on the graph ;)

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I prefer metropolitan liberal elite. Sounds better. :cool:

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there's nothing wrong with being unique ;)

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Corbyn is left and libertarian. He supports worker's rights, environmental protection, devolution of power to communities, workers on company boards, equal opportunities for all etc . You can't get much more libertarian than that.

Since when was trade protectionism a left wing characteristic? Protectionism is an authoritarian/populist trait adopted by certain kinds of both the left and the right, e.g. Nazi Germany, Trump's America now and Soviet Russia.

Trump providing money to create jobs? If he does, that will be a flash in the pan, pure tokenism as a sop to the run down regions that voted for him. If he finds funds for sustained investment in US infrastructure all well and good, but his main weapon to attempt to increase jobs for Americans is protectionism. One thing for sure, he and his ilk won't be releasing their trillions to the tax man. None of that will be available to support government schemes, rebuilding programmes etc. It's all safely stored in off-shore tax havens. You can't get more right-wing than that. Such people are only liberal when it comes to reducing regulation that stops them exploiting the rest of us.

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How can government intervene so much in society and then claim to be libertarian? I am not against many of those things but they're not libertarian at all. They require the government to regulate different areas of society. Only the devolution of power would be something a libertarian would support there. Corbyn is almost the polar opposite of a libertarian.

Although libertarianism isn't the same as liberal. I don't think we have much of a tradition of it in the UK.

Quote often. Protectionism is often advocated by some on the left who are skeptical of free trade, believing it favours mega-corporations and the expense of workers.

Although I don't think we disagree much here. I think only in that prior to Trump you didn't see many Conservatives advocating against free-trade in the Western Worlds (as far as I am aware).

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Correct.

What did G.Brown say? British jobs for British workers? Or something like that. If a British PM had made that inauguration speech it would have been very well received.

We're anti illegal immigrant, we have our "wall" in France.

I think Trump has got a good few of his ideas from us.

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The thing is about from his rhetoric about British Jobs for British people Gordon Brown wasn't a protectionist either. He believed, like most Western politicians, that protectionism ultimately harms an economy as it reduces competition and can spark trade wars. You want your own country's businesses to have access to international markets can if you restrict foreign access to your own they may in turn do the same to you. Meanwhile those businesses can become lazy when all their foreign competition has a massive mark-up due to tariffs.