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Seems so ..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66731164

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Here will be huge sighs of relief across the scientific and industrial communities on the news of rejoining Horizon and Copernicus. This is absolutely brilliant news.

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:clap::clap::clap:

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It does seem so, what I'd like the prime miniature to be held account to is that we left the EU and all it's institutions, he campaigned for, celebrated and made political capital out of that very fact and now here he is touting this as some sort of victory when it is in all actuality just a restoration of what we already had.

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What is a "business friendly tax regime", please?

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But did they not tell you and everybody else this country would have the best "business friendly tax regime" once we were out of the EU.

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That's rather disingenuous. Jonbxx and I have been absolutely clear that this deal is good news. But I agree with TheDaddy that it was something we enjoyed as part of our previous EU membership. Brexiters should also be happy to tot up that as there are 40 countries in Horizon, there will be some other non-EU countries too - it is after all the biggest such scheme in the World.

Outside the EU, we will find ourselves an EU rule-taker as they set European standards which we won't be able to influence so easily as when we had a seat at the table. They are set to ensure that the mighty Apple ditches its lightning charging socket for its iPhones in place of USB-C in the EU. Apple won't sell special models just for the UK so we will be a rule-follower there. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple followed the USB-C approach globally too.

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No, I don’t - that’s why I asked.

"business friendly" means different things to different people, and "most people" would probably have a lot of different answers like CGT rates, Corporation Tax rates, Investment Relief, R&D Relief, Dividend Exemption, etc…

If you can’t back up an assertion with a definition, that’s up to you, but then it’s just a meaningless sound-bite, rather than a positive proposal…

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You heard yourself? It's pathetic trying to celebrate this as a victory when a few short years ago you were celebrating leaving such institutions and how deluded and misinformed are you, we are an associate member now taking whatever the EU decides to give us, how's that for taking orders :rofl:

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Wow, this blew since my last post!

Many have noted that rejoining Horizon and Copernicus is a restoration of what we already had. However this isn’t wholly the case because of the stopping of freedom of movement so UK scientists are limited to no more than 90 days in the Schengen Zone per 180 days and vice versa.

Of course, most countries have a skilled worker visa system like the UKs Tier 2 visa but these can be expensive and onerous to get with the process getting much more expensive and onerous if you have dependents. This is particularly true for scientists coming to the UK.

But hey, it’s a good start anyway! While we’re here, could we please have Erasmus back too?

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So, you've actually got no idea, then, just another vague meaningless sound bite...

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Not under the current regime but I wonder if the next government, likely headed up by Starmer, will re-join it?

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It is truly a great opportunity for students. I didn’t take part wayyyy back in the day as my degree was a ‘thin sandwich’ course with three work placements anyway but I supervised some Erasmus students later on and the scheme was great.

Working or studying abroad is such a good growth opportunity for young adults and I would always encourage it. My daughter is currently looking at universities for next year and courses which offer a years work or study abroad are very high up on the list.

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Still a "no", then…

btw, amusing that you accuse someone of verbosity, just after you posted It’s only an effort if you don’t have an easily available answer… ;)

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We left Erasmus to pander to ultra Brexiters' insecurities about remaining in any EU scheme. We need to rejoin Erasmus so future Brits can enjoy the benefits like your daughter has.

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It was a UK not an EU decision.
https://erasmus-plus.ec.europa.eu/the-uk-and-erasmus

Great that you got in a visit, doubtless on purely welfare grounds. ;)

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Sensible step forwards. Far easier for a Labour government to do this than a Conservative one as that would acknowledge the weaknesses in Johnson's Brexit deal.
https://www.ft.com/content/6bdc4e88-...d-c70bc358e027

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Just like 75 million Turks were coming?

Are you seriously stating that up to two-thirds of the population of Africa will be coming to Europe?

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Brexit has happened and this country will not be rejoining the EU but at last we have someone who will try to improve the utterly crap deal that Boris Johnson signed up for.

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Your point appears to be using a figure that isn’t going to happen to rabble-rouse - if not, what is your point?*

Farage’s similar fear-mongering…

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/66...sa-free-travel

*awaits standard answer of "everyone knows, so I’m not going to explain it

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"Oven ready"…

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Starmer is deluded and a fool. He is obsessed with the older, red wall, voters when he does not need to be. He needs to focus on the newer voters who are fast replacing the older, right of centre ones.

He has no imagination, more's the pity. He should nuance the debate towards a transition to a EFTA style of arrangement to revive the economy together with a re-invention of the tax regime to channel monies back to the majority.

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I think he knows what he's doing and I'm sure he'll be bolder once in power. I seem to remember that he made a number of promises as Labour leader candidate that went by the wayside once elected. Cynical, I know!

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you both used very high figures that aren’t going to happen - that’s the link…

I don’t think that up to 750 million Africans are going to migrate to Europe - do you?

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Sound like Liebour want to sneak us back into the EU should they win the next election.

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Read the press release rather then you might understand exactly the points he was making.

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That's exactly how I feel. I find shouting at the TV whenever he is talking is the only source of comfort :sleep:

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In exchange for taking a share of the immigrants in the EU. Brilliant!

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That's incorrect. You're conflating two separate matters.

There's a couple of quick wins here - an agreement on the recognition of professional qualifications and striking a veterinary agreement with the EU to reduce costly and onerous border checks. Doubtless more too.

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Proof?, rather then reading the front pages of your favourite newspapers or grifting politicians.

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So if you think that more leftist parties are going to be less relevant will we go back to Tories and Whigs? (Conservative and Liberal)

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I think this comment may be intended for another thread.

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or another century?

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Just commenting that if Labour have lost out because of whatever the Tories need some competition. After all Conservative and Liberal are natural competition and were before Labour came along. But yes further discussion doesn't fit here too well except Liberals tend to be the pro-EU and the Tories less so.

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Will be interesting to see if this gets much media coverage.
https://www.ft.com/content/9153d235-...e-08d0c14546ce

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We didn't vote for this, it's not what we were promised

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The government won't challenge this - it took three years to implement a law in Northern Ireland through its own incompetence.
https://www.ft.com/content/cc7f950f-...3-c6f93209dede

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I am a Remainer. ....

Can we have Jersey and Isle of Man free of EU to do business?

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Looking to launder a lot of money? :D

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Not according to press reports. Here’s one from The Guardian.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...nnel-crossings

[EXTRACT]

…Starmer conceded that Labour could strike a deal to accept a quota of asylum seekers from the EU in exchange for closer cooperation to tackle people smugglers.

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That's not about upgrading our poor Brexit trade deal, it's about an arrangement on migration.

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LoL....

Anglo-Irish bank: NEVER-NEVER let us down like the Swiss banks. They never gave our names to EU. The bank paid the tax and penalties due to EU on our behalf, but it did not disclose our names to EU or UK!

And yes, I am aware that it was closed down for corruption. What a pity.

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Haha! My post was an example of how far Starmer will go to ingratiate himself to the EU. The electorate won't be fooled, but some on thos forum will be, until it happens.

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I was going by what you posted which was erroneously trying to link an improvement to the trade deal to a deal on immigration.

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Far from being fooled almost everyone accepts that what little the UK has to offer the world is letting people in. Name a trade deal - visas will be on the table.

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You look at things far too narrowly, Andrew. I get what you’re saying, but what is to stop the EU saying “We’ll agree to discuss a new deal if you agree to take a share of our immigrants”?

My point was that Starmer would cave. Labour is the party of multiculturalism, which they believe will enhance their electoral prospects.

We should be in no doubt about what a Labour government will bring if the nation decides ‘it’s time for a change’.

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This, absolutely, is the basis for every trade deal anywhere regardless of which party is in power.

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Says the CCHQ regular media spokesman...

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Whilst the Labour party might aspire to be this, in reality the Conservative Party is the successful party of multicultarism and well done to them for achieving that. We have a Prime Minister with East African-born Hindu parents of Indian Punjabi descent. A Home Secretary whose parents come from Mauritius and Kenya. And a Business Secretary who described herself "to all intents and purposes a first-generation immigrant".

What will be in no doubt that a Labour government brings? The current government is set to receive a million immigrants? Are you worried it might actually reduce this figure?

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More Brexit costs incoming.

https://www.ft.com/content/015e1f25-...d-bf9ec0dc4678

https://www.ft.com/content/53e91aab-...d-19b9ee915baa

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-66971372

[EXTRACT]

A key part of the Windsor Framework has been implemented with the start of a new system for moving goods from Great Britain to Northern Ireland.
The framework, which was agreed by the EU and UK in February, is the revised post-Brexit deal for Northern Ireland.

It is intended to ease trade between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK.

The most visible change will be 'Not for EU' labelling appearing on some food products in NI shops.

That labelling change is due to be rolled out across the rest of the UK next year.

Northern Ireland Secretary Chris Heaton-Harris said the new system would mean "the substantial majority" of trade from GB to NI will be "treated as UK internal trade".

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"British Judeo-Christians"…

Since, until recently, most European (including British) Christians persecuted and discriminated against Jewish people, I find it ironic you try to merge the two faiths as a homogeneous justifier- you’re just parroting Farage…

https://theconversation.com/why-jude...ar-right-85922

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From the Chronicles of Rishi thread, three days ago…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...4&d=1696183064

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Hugh if you could provide me with 6 random numbers between 1 and 59 I'd be most grateful, just asking for a friend ;)

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Just in case anyone else isn't aware another brexit benefit is you can't travel in schengen if your UK passport is in date with three months still on it but more than 10 years old as my friend found out tonight when she tried to fly to Greece, shitty way to spend your birthday and I won't be impressed if anyone tells her this is what she voted for :mad:
Anyway don't let what happened to her happen to you is my best advice

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Looks like Germany is pushing for a better trade deal with the UK, in so far as making it easier to trade with us.

It seems that they are understanding the British phrase of "cutting your nose off to spite your face"

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...0life%E2%80%9D.

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Well yeah, this will be good for all of us. The question is will we agree?

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They've learnt from watching us do that in 2016! Let's hope Britain takes up the offer!

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The economic boom is surely on its way as we start to enjoy our Brexit freedoms!

https://www.ft.com/content/cc419caf-...1-90e80c7a114b

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This was never a problem. One creates say, an "enhanced payments for new investment ideas" account, or "research in venture opportunities " account, which clearly ain't a bonus --nor a salary. Then an accountant helps you to get the money out of it.

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Could Hungary be joining us soon?

https://www-pravda-com-ua.translate....en&_x_tr_hl=en

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We are doing rather better than you portray in your posts, but the facts are:

1. We are free to trade with the world on our own terms, and we are now able to include services within those deals, which the EU continued to deny us to the end.

2. Trade figures show UK exports are now at a record high - yes, I said a record high - of £834billion. The government expects this to grow to £1trillion of exports per year by 2030.

3. Contrary to the claims of remainers that we would never get a trade deal with the US, we have pursued a policy of dealing with the US on a State by State basis. This is because Biden has no interest in trade deals on a national basis with anyone. So far, we have done deals with six States, with a combined GDP of £2trillion. We are currently negotiating with another five, and when confirmed, this will represent 40% of the population of the US. These trade deals contain advantages for us including recognition of British qualifications and permitting British firms to sell their services.

4. We have signed up to the Trans-Pacific Strategic Economic Parnership Agreement (TPTPP), meaning that 99% of our current exports to CPTPP member countries will be eligible for zero tariffs, improving goods market access for UK firms. Joining will lead to the opening of new markets for our most important services providers.It is anticipated that in the long run, membership will lead to a £2.6 billion increase in UK exports. The deal gives us a trade deal with Malaysia and Brunei for the first time. There are so many advantages that will be realised from deals like this and the forecasts on future income are likely to prove very modest compared with the possibilities that come with our new freedoms.

5. A trade deal with India looks likely within the next few months, maybe even weeks.

The UK is doing well and our future is bright, but we do still need to repeal those EU laws that are strangling businesses.

Yes, there are some downsides, but the picture you paint of how we are faring post Brexit is unnecessarily bleak.

Meanwhile, euro zone entered a recession earlier this year, posing a challenge for the European Central Bank. The seas aren’t all that blue on the other side of the Channel.

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The sleight of hand that is record high levels of inflation. Come back and tell us what year has - in real terms - the highest levels of exports and what year (in the future) we expect to achieve that again.

Can you name a single law, sector and expected impact on GDP?

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The depths you plunge to in an effort to deny the truths you don’t like are breathtaking, jfman. Even if your ridiculous assertion that the £834bn was only due to inflation was correct (which it isn’t) it is still evidence that our economy is not worsening following Brexit. And we’ve already discussed how bureaucratic EU laws are a drag on businesses, so if you don’t mind, I’m not going to enter into another one of your repetitive and circular arguments/wind-ups.

It seems to me that you want this country to fail and don’t appreciate anything that seems to indicate we are going in the right direction. Well, I think you should be prepared to be disappointed.

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OB you know it's a sleight of hand that if inflation is running at 10%+ for consecutive years to use a straightforward figure as a 'record' of anything is fundamentally misleading.

Once again I ask what year did the UK have - in real terms - the highest levels of exports and when (in the future) do we expect to reach that performance?

It's only by engaging with facts, and the truth, that you will reach any meaningful conclusions.

I've no interest in this country failing - indeed my input to this forum (while extremely valuable) has no meaningful impact at all. I'd be the first to acknowledge genuine record figures of anything positive so long as they were adequately inflation adjusted.

And of course purchasing power, if it's about money in the pockets of the hard working man on the street.

However any claims at offering insight that take account of neither are merely political spin however way you cut it.

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Well, let’s see the figures according to jfman since you are the one spreading all the doubt.

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Well, since you haven’t shown your source…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...8&d=1698438199



Anyway, here’s the whole picture, rather than focusing on one area - it’s good that exports are growing, but so are imports and our trade deficit.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk...fings/sn02815/

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...0&d=1698438906

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From a private BMA forum, I hear that there is a tax (pension?) office in NI that chases the EU to pay pensions to UK citizens. It seems to be quite aggressive "UK paid contributions" bla bla "UK citizens are entitled to their benefits"....

You do not need to have worked in the EU, just be present in the EU country... I guess it's a EU state pension. I have no more details, it's from advisors at a BMA forum

For the record, I am a Remainer.

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That term no longer makes sense, or has meaning.

The terms should now be “Rejoiner” or the less snappy “stay out-er”

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https://news.sky.com/story/eu-equali...rkers-13002094

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https://iea.org.uk/media/brexit-leav...ew-iea-report/

[EXTRACT]

The UK’s trade patterns with the EU fail to show a Brexit effect, either since the referendum or the end of the transition period.

Trade continued to grow between 2016 and the conclusion of the Brexit transition in 2020, indicating that Brexit uncertainty did not reduce UK-EU exchange.

UK goods exports rose by 13.5 per cent to EU countries and 14.3 per cent to non-EU countries between 2019 and 2022, before and after Brexit. This indicates no impact of Brexit on goods trade.

UK services exports rose by 14.8 per cent to EU countries and 22.1 per cent to non-EU countries over the same period. Varying demand levels for different products across countries, rather than any consistent Brexit impact, explains this finding.

UK trade patterns compared to other G7 countries have not changed since Brexit.

Business and Trade Secretary The Rt Hon Kemi Badenoch MP will today say “As today’s excellent IEA paper, written by the economist Catherine McBride, shows – contrary to some media reports and many pre-Brexit establishment voices, the data says Brexit has not had a major impact on UK–EU trade. UK trade with EU countries has broadly moved in line with UK trade with non-EU countries,” at the launch of International Trade Week.

Brexit has not damaged Britain’s trade with the European Union (EU), according to a new report from the free market think tank the Institute of Economic Affairs.

Pause for thought…?

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https://x.com/andrealeadsom/status/1...Fx9lsEXWlOa1jg

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...3&d=1699449548

The fact the Secretary of State for Trade would use poor research from an opaquely-funded Right Wing think tank, rather than the Govt’s own independent body (Office for Budget Responsibility), tells you all you need to know…

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Same mistakes as always.

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Attitudes to the EU broken down by supermarket preferences, courtesy of BES Research.

Basically, if mum’s gone to Iceland, she still thinks Brexit is brilliant.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1700475661

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A large percentage of a small amount is still a small amount... ;)

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ed-kingdom-uk/

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...3&d=1700477398

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Yes, I think it’s probably a statistical anomaly rather than anything revealing. I’ve not bothered to search for the underlying data but I bet the sample size for Iceland shoppers is too small for any conclusions to be reliable. Likewise M&S. posted for sniggers more than anything.

The steady 60-ish 40-ish split across the rest of the shoppers is most likely simply the case across the voting public as a whole.

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I hadn't realised Iceland still had branches. All the ones I knew have closed down.

Old Boy and Seph may feel more at home there than in their respective local branches of Asda and Waitrose. ;)

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Clearly a load of Remainer nonsense! :D
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...cd4f0a57&ei=16

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Dr Chris Dawson's paper has not been peer reviewed, has not been accepted to a scientific journal or a conference. It was simply deposited in PsyArXiv, which is just that, a depository. Anyone can deposit there.

Other than than that, it is an excellent piece of work. A very good dig to the Brexiteers :D:D:D

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The author obviously voted Leave.

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I think it shows you don’t understand statistics… ;)

Which means 64% had a equal or lower cognitive ability than the average (mean) Remain vote…

It has been peer-reviewed.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...l.pone.0289312

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Bit of nonsense really except that it probably does show more Leave voters were fooled by the Vote Leave/MSM propaganda

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I stand corrected. It is a good journal. How did I miss it?

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To take back control of our borders to reduce migration. :D
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...5&d=1700761744

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There are some people like you maybe who voted Leave on ideological terms disregarding any negative consequences, of which there were many. Maybe you are wealthy enough not to care about the impact on you personally? Maybe you did not care about the harm to the country or the effect on children & grandchildren whose birth right has been literally removed and who cannot live & work in the EU as they might had wished.

There is so much harm caused by the few to the many, not only financial but societal as well. Without Brexit, we would not have had Johnson and his right wing cult, no Patel, no Braverman, etc. So enjoy your pyrrhic victory .. for a while. As the old Leave voters die off and the younger generation replace them, return to the EU in some form is inevitable.