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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35985964)

The EU really showing it’s corrupted true colours, I’m flabbergasted as to why folk, don’t want the UK to flourish on its own, unteathered to it. But a story today in express says ALL EU Members to adopt the Euro in 2020.

Oh please let there be another Referendum. Another Leave win is a dead cert if the EU force the UK to drop the £. (Pending on whether we’re still in the corrupted bloc).

I can't see that story in the Express. There was a generic tweet along those lines posted last week from a multitude of accounts which was proved to be fake news.
I also don't know anyone who doesn't want the UK to flourish either on its own or as a member of other bodies

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35985970)

That story is not true.

I’d like the UK to flourish and I think that’s more likely to happen with a close trading relationship with our closest neighbours and the second largest single market in the world (and it’s global trade deals) than being outside.

Trouble is that those 'closest neighbours' are members of a project that is leading to a single union and everyone on the Euro - a currency that no longer has any collateral to support it.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35985974)

Trouble is that those 'closest neighbours' are members of a project that is leading to a single union and everyone on the Euro - a currency that no longer has any collateral to support it.

I think we've just discussed that this is not true.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35985970)

We can still trade with our neighbours but we don’t need to be in their corrupt camp, paying a con job membership fee.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35985974)

Trouble is that those 'closest neighbours' are members of a project that is leading to a single union and everyone on the Euro - a currency that no longer has any collateral to support it.

Still seems to be doing well against our currency. The pound was doing well until something happened in 2016. If you've got any euros hang onto them !

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2019/03/10.jpg

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35985976)

We can still trade with our neighbours but we don’t need to be in their corrupt camp, paying a con job membership fee.

Yes my allotment fee is due for renewal, I'm thinking much the same about the 'committee' ;)

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35985977)

Yes, something exceptional and marvellous happened in 2016, the UK saw sense and opted to finally leave the cancerous and corrupted EU.

The Currency issue.... It’s called market uncertainty and it will only get worse if Brexit gets delayed. I don’t give a shit about the £ vs €. Crap currency that the Euro is!

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35985979)

You might not give a crap about it but plenty of people do. But screw everyone else eh? Can we also drop the cancerous word? It's a pretty strong word to use and can be upsetting to some people.

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35985979)

It's all feelings and hatred of others though isn't it? Very little evidence. That really is the root cause of Brexit, the economic reality has caused the current problems. It just doesn't add up.

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35985964)

Sounds interesting. I have been trying to find the article without any luck (searched the Express web site for '2020' with no luck) Do you have a link at all?

At first I thought this might be related to the '2020 Lisbon Treaty' thing that has been posted many times on social media which includes things like the LSE moving to Frankfurt, losing control of our nuclear deterrent, losing control of our planning legislation etc. but that says joining the Euro will happen in 2022 so I guess it wasn't that. (Thoroughly debunked BTW here - https://twitter.com/StevePeers/statu...58784001654784 )

By the way, does anyone watch videos by CGP Grey on Youtube. Always great fun, he is a very good explainer. He's an Irish/American living in the UK and worked as a teacher. He has done one video on Brexit in the past but has added two new ones;

The EU's 'SECRET' Brexit Negotiation EXPOSED - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agZ0xISi40E

🇬🇧🔥 Brexit, Briefly: REVISITED! 🔥🇪🇺 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1Yv24cM2os

Nicely distills down the negotiation positions of the UK and EU

EU plan to charge us 1 billion a month for each month (and impose punitive conditions) that Brexit is delayed:

https://en.news-front.info/2019/03/1...-brexit-delay/

DELAY, MAY Theresa May urged to SCRAP tomorrow’s crunch vote on Brexit deal as talks with EU break down

Tory MPs are urging her to hold a symbolic motion on whether to approve the deal subject to a set of specific changes.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexit...s-theresa-may/

Official EU document

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In his 2017 State of the Union speech, President Juncker announced concrete measures to address some of the remaining shortcomings identified on the previous steps of this journey. On 6 December 2017, the European Commission presented a package of initiatives to deliver on those promises.
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The package includes :

A Communication on the further steps towards completing the Economic and Monetary Union.
A proposal to bring the European Stability Mechanism (ESM) into the EU legal framework, transforming it into a European Monetary Fund.
A proposal to double the financial envelope of the Structural Reform Support Programme.
A proposal to integrate the substance of the Treaty on Stability, Coordination and Governance in the Economic and Monetary Union, which includes the Fiscal compact, into the framework of EU law.
A Communication spelling out ideas for a new dedicated euro area budget line within the EU budget, to provide for four functions: structural reform assistance; a stabilisation function; a backstop for the Banking Union; and a convergence instrument to give pre-accession assistance to Member States on their way to euro membership.
A Communication on establishing a European Minister of Economy and Finance, to increase the democratic accountability and the efficiency of policy making

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Completing a genuine Financial Union

An integrated and well-functioning financial system is essential for an effective and stable Economic and Monetary Union. Building on the momentum of what has already been achieved in recent years, a consensus needs to be found on the way forward. This includes moving ahead with elements that are already on the table and agreeing on additional steps to take between now and 2025. This will involve completing the Banking Union and making progress on reducing and sharing risks in the banking sector, with measures to make European banks even more resilient. In order to provide more diverse and innovative financing opportunities for the real economy, including through capital markets, delivering on Capital Markets Union is also paramount.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35985986)

So they want a vote on an imaginary deal? :D

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35985984)

EU plan to charge us 1 billion a month for each month (and impose punitive conditions) that Brexit is delayed:

https://en.news-front.info/2019/03/1...-brexit-delay/

That’s the going rate for membership just without the rebate.

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35985991)

So they want a vote on an imaginary deal? :D

I vote unicorn Brexit!