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1andrew1 22-09-2025 12:27
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36202798)
Not in the Lab-Lib sense because Truss was neither of those.
A side issue, Liz Truss was president of the Oxford University Liberal Democrats! :D Adhering to the theory tha the older you get, the more right-wing you get!

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36203161)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c930xypxpqpo

This is more extreme than Trump; in the US, Green Card holders are still protected for the most part.

This isn't new migrants either, it's everyone. Anyone who's not a British citizen but is living here risks being kicked out if they're unsuccessful for a much stricter Visa. This can be former EU citizens who've been here for decades, paid taxes, had families, but just never applied for a passport (£1,700 btw) because why did they never need to do so?

I know someone from Europe who's lived here for 45 years, now retired, married to an English partner and is now receiving a pension after working the vast majority of their adult life here, paying taxes. They will be removed under this policy because they're no longer a skilled worker and they'll certainly get their pension taken away.

How is that fair? How is that what we want this country to be?
Farage obviously thinks it's a vote-winner. I hope his current partner (French) and the mother of his children (German) have got their papers in order.

papa smurf 22-09-2025 12:47
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36203162)
A side issue, Liz Truss was president of the Oxford University Liberal Democrats! :D Adhering to the theory tha the older you get, the more right-wing you get!

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Farage obviously thinks it's a vote-winner. I hope his current partner (French) and the mother of his children (German) have got their papers in order.
Give it a couple of months and it'll be Labours policy too if it looks like a vote winner, and don't forget labour hates pensioners

Sephiroth 22-09-2025 14:03
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36203162)
A side issue, Liz Truss was president of the Oxford University Liberal Democrats! :D Adhering to the theory that the older you get, the more right-wing you get!
<SNIP>

The “further to the right you get” would have been what you meant, I’m sure - because “right wing” isn’t something you be more of.

Now that we agree (!) the reason is, applied to unprejudiced people, that you get wiser with age and see things for what they are, especially if/when they threaten your own situation.

However, the older that the Lefties get, assuming they’ve still got nothing to their name, or they are politicians who love Hamas, the more they covet what others have got.

Reform UK cannot address this unless they open a debate and formulate sensible policies to increase wealth for everyone. That means inward investment leading to job creation, including use of our carbon assets.

Nev er going to happen, imo. Too difficult as the UK is in an economic death spiral. The EU isn’t much better off before those fanatics sound off.

Hugh 22-09-2025 14:05
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unprejudiced people


I assume your definition of this is "people who agree with you..."?

Sephiroth 22-09-2025 14:12
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36203176)


I assume your definition of this is "people who agree with you..."?
No. I mean people who don’t take a reasonable line in the light of all the facts. “Reasonable” means accepting that there are all sorts of people going about their business entitled not to be deprecated because they’ve got more of something than you, for example.

Where do you fit?

Hugh 22-09-2025 14:19
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36203179)
No. I mean people who don’t take a reasonable line in the light of all the facts. “Reasonable” means accepting that there are all sorts of people going about their business entitled not to be deprecated because they’ve got more of something than you, for example.

Where do you fit?
I "fit" in that I am not bothered if someone has more than me, and I don't think badly of them if they have - however, if they are chocolate starfish about having more, and treat others as lesser because they don't have as much as them, or use derogatory stereotypes about those who are different from them (views and/or money), I will deprecate them...

Sephiroth 22-09-2025 14:21
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36203181)
I "fit" in that I am not bothered if someone has more than me, and I don't think badly of them if they have - however, if they are chocolate starfish about having more, and treat others as lesser because they don't have as much as them, or use derogatory stereotypes about those who are different from them (views and/or money), I will deprecate them...
Me too!

Carth 22-09-2025 15:01
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Some people are content with what they have, and appreciate it.
Some want more than they have even though they can't afford it.
Some have more than enough and go out of their way to show it.

In between are many who have no idea what they want or need, and spend a lifetime going nowhere.

Sephiroth 22-09-2025 16:12
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36203189)
Some people are content with what they have, and appreciate it.
Some want more than they have even though they can't afford it.
Some have more than enough and go out of their way to show it.

In between are many who have no idea what they want or need, and spend a lifetime going nowhere.

Some people are content with what they have, and appreciate it.
Some want more than they have even though they can't afford it.
Some people who can't afford more want to take from those that can.
Some have more than enough and go out of their way to show it.
Some people work for London Transport.

Paul 22-09-2025 17:32
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36203161)
How is that fair? How is that what we want this country to be?
I note this part ;
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if the party wins the next election.
I dont think thats very likely, atm anyway.

OLD BOY 24-09-2025 09:24
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
I'm thinking that perhaps at the next General Election, the contest will be between the Liberal Democrats and Reform UK. Both main parties are thoroughly discredited and I can't see how that will change significantly in 4 years.

Sephiroth 24-09-2025 09:32
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Interesting point. For what my opinion is worth, the LDs are as deprecated by the public as Labour/Tories. However, tactical voting is a reality and frankly, anything can happen.

Still, 4 years is a long way to go.

1andrew1 24-09-2025 09:38
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36203320)
Interesting point. For what my opinion is worth, the LDs are as deprecated by the public as Labour/Tories. However, tactical voting is a reality and frankly, anything can happen.

Still, 4 years is a long way to go.
Liberal Democrats are playing a clever game. They've resisted the temptation to go left of labour and instead have come down against some of the government's policies eg VAT on school fees and inheritance tax on farms. All easy to do in opposition, of course.

Sephiroth 24-09-2025 09:51
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Reform have made a mistake with their immigration policy. They may have thought it all through, but their public announcements have fallen short of explaining the exceptions that would be allowed. For example, someone who has had ILR for 20 years and has paid their way during that time: will they have to reapply and what would the criteria be?

A major policy announcement of this type should be fully clarified at the time of broadcast - at least in a publication that indicates the law changes that will enable all this, including the deportation or resettlement of ineligible asylum seekers of military ag.

Pierre 24-09-2025 09:54
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36203321)
Liberal Democrats are playing a clever game. They've resisted the temptation to go left of labour and instead have come down against some of the government's policies eg VAT on school fees and inheritance tax on farms. All easy to do in opposition, of course.
The LibDems political strategy is just having Ed Davey fall off a paddle board.


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