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ianch99 05-02-2025 15:15
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36190725)
It's something to do with the legality of the base, which is why the Tories started it as well, but what could that be? UN says it's not legal? So what? Good luck trying to invade it and take it back.
So is that the new rules-based order, ignore the UN and just do what you want? History tells us that has not worked out well in the past

1andrew1 05-02-2025 17:12
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36190725)
It's something to do with the legality of the base, which is why the Tories started it as well, but what could that be? UN says it's not legal? So what? Good luck trying to invade it and take it back.
Your name is Donald Trump and I claim my $!0! :D

Damien 05-02-2025 17:18
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36190732)
So is that the new rules-based order, ignore the UN and just do what you want? History tells us that has not worked out well in the past
If the UN told us to give the Falklands to Argentina we wouldn't do it.

Besides giving 'back' the Chagos Islands is one thing. Spending billions is nuts when we're not being compelled to do so. If keeping the American base is so important to us that we're willing to fork over £9-18bn then why abide by a decision that isn't apparently binding?

ianch99 05-02-2025 17:35
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36190739)
Your name is Donald Trump and I claim my $!0! :D
:)

Itshim 05-02-2025 18:18
Re: Starmer’s chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36190740)
If the UN told us to give the Falklands to Argentina we wouldn't do it.

Besides giving 'back' the Chagos Islands is one thing. Spending billions is nuts when we're not being compelled to do so. If keeping the American base is so important to us that we're willing to fork over £9-18bn then why abide by a decision that isn't apparently binding?
The UN is ignored all the time. Such is politics.

1andrew1 05-02-2025 18:51
Re: Starmer’s chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36190740)
If the UN told us to give the Falklands to Argentina we wouldn't do it.

Besides giving 'back' the Chagos Islands is one thing. Spending billions is nuts when we're not being compelled to do so. If keeping the American base is so important to us that we're willing to fork over £9-18bn then why abide by a decision that isn't apparently binding?
Would be interesting to know what our obligation to the US is. If we decide to cede the colony, surely our obligation to housing a US base there ends and it's up to the US to negotiate with the new owners of the island? And pay for it too.

papa smurf 05-02-2025 19:31
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36190746)
Would be interesting to know what our obligation to the US is. If we decide to cede the colony, surely our obligation to housing a US base there ends and it's up to the US to negotiate with the new owners of the island? And pay for it too.
Or just say sod you we're keeping it

Hugh 05-02-2025 20:14
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36190748)
Or just say sod you we're keeping it
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36190739)
Your name is Donald Trump and I claim my $!0! :D

telegramsam 05-02-2025 20:28
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Am I the only one who's never previously heard of these Islands?

Damien 06-02-2025 00:11
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I had heard of them because the base being there was been an issue for a while, but it's obviously become a much bigger deal since.

Pierre 06-02-2025 23:47
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36190740)
If the UN told us to give the Falklands to Argentina we wouldn't do it.
This ^^^^^^. 100%

1andrew1 07-02-2025 17:14
Re: Starmer’s chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36190814)
This ^^^^^^. 100%
We couldn't give them back to Argentina as Argentina did not own them in the first place. ;)

Itshim 07-02-2025 19:52
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36190851)
We couldn't give them back to Argentina as Argentina did not own them in the first place. ;)
Can any one really own a island? Invade, overrun perhaps. To be fair what the heck Is the real difference between them being British and the USA taking Greenland perhaps Russia should claim the isle of Wight

nomadking 07-02-2025 20:07
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The Chagos have never really belonged to Mauritius. The only connection is that they were both once "owned" by France.
Seychelles, Maldives, Sri Lanka, and India are all nearer than Mauritius.

Pierre 07-02-2025 21:52
Re: Starmer’s chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36190851)
We couldn't give them back to Argentina as Argentina did not own them in the first place. ;)
He didn’t say give them “back”, he just said “give them”.


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