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Sephiroth 02-10-2019 18:47
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36012504)
Strange to hear the Conservative Party Chairman on the news this morning stating (without explicitly saying so) that they intend to break the law, by leaving on the 31st of October without a deal if the EU doesn’t accept the "extended border".

Also, last night, No 10 insisted if the EU did not engage with the UK's offer there would be no further negotiations until after it had left on 31 October.

Party of law and order?
A remainer's unwarranted twist on what was actually said.

Nobody said anything about breaking the law. In your mind it may be implicit because that's what you want to think.

However, it may well turn out the guvmin has found a loophole or way of not breaking the law that gets us out of the EU.

You need to be more objective and twist things less.

Hugh 02-10-2019 18:54
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A remainer's unwarranted twist on what was actually said.

Nobody said anything about breaking the law. In your mind it may be implicit because that's what you want to think.

However, it may well turn out the guvmin has found a loophole or way of not breaking the law that gets us out of the EU.

You need to be more objective and twist things less.

Pierre 02-10-2019 19:05
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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36012537)
so am I and except the law that the democratically elected sovereign parliament made
Just not the result of a democratic vote, the largest democratic exercise over a single issue ever undertaken.

Hmmmmm..........

OLD BOY 02-10-2019 19:06
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36012538)
Why doesn't Boris extend then call an election? Works both ways.
Because he said he would not do this.

jfman 02-10-2019 19:07
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Because he said he would not do this.
And opposition parties have said they won’t bring down the Government before an extension. He should have faced up to the inevitable.

It’s funny how compromise is always for the other side.

OLD BOY 02-10-2019 19:08
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36012555)
The "promises", if such a thing exists from a proven liar, he could easily set aside (citing compliance with the law) and had his people vs Parliament election. Elect me to remove the shackles of a dead Parliament.
The fact that he does not call for an extension seems to fly in the face of you wanting him to break his promise.

jfman 02-10-2019 19:10
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36012566)
The fact that he does not call for an extension seems to fly in the face of you wanting him to break his promise.
Shows he’s scared to put his hold agenda to the people. Brexit supporters know it.

I don’t know why you’re all so worried. If you are right we are leaving. If you are wrong... :confused:

OLD BOY 02-10-2019 19:13
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36012565)
And opposition parties have said they won’t bring down the Government before an extension. He should have faced up to the inevitable.

It’s funny how compromise is always for the other side.
It is not at all inevitable. In fact, if he gets Brexit done, he may not go for an election at that stage. We will see.

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Shows he’s scared to put his hold agenda to the people. Brexit supporters know it.

I don’t know why you’re all so worried. If you are right we are leaving. If you are wrong... :confused:
It shows nothing of the sort. Boris has just had an extremely successful conference. The public will have seen the difference between Corbyn's rant and Boris's vision for the future. It's also fair to say that Boris has called for an election several times now.

jfman 02-10-2019 19:15
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He can force an election, by simply extending Brexit until after it. He could ask for an extension until the very day after if he wanted.

We'll be at the polls in November. The country is not governable. I suppose with his backers betting £8bn against Britain, why actively risk it?

Sephiroth 02-10-2019 19:33
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@Hugh: I've never twisted anything. My view is well balanced.
Whereas your's is entirely a remainer's take with a bent to discredit leavers.

Carth 02-10-2019 19:34
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I would think that by now, most people are aware that Boris has (had) no intention of asking for an extension.
Just because he's been 'ordered' to doesn't mean he wants to, and has probably not changed his stance about an extension.
Asking for an extension will gain him nothing - exactly the same as Corbyn if he accepted the election he kept shouting for.

Anyone who actually thinks Boris wants an extension is either incredibly stupid or a troll

I don't believe anyone here to be incredibly stupid ;)

Sephiroth 02-10-2019 19:37
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36012577)
I would think that by now, most people are aware that Boris has (had) no intention of asking for an extension.
Just because he's been 'ordered' to doesn't mean he wants to, and has probably not changed his stance about an extension.
Asking for an extension will gain him nothing - exactly the same as Corbyn if he accepted the election he kept shouting for.

Anyone who actually thinks Boris wants an extension is either incredibly stupid or a troll

I don't believe anyone here to be incredibly stupid ;)
I do!

jfman 02-10-2019 19:47
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36012577)
I would think that by now, most people are aware that Boris has (had) no intention of asking for an extension.
Just because he's been 'ordered' to doesn't mean he wants to, and has probably not changed his stance about an extension.
Asking for an extension will gain him nothing - exactly the same as Corbyn if he accepted the election he kept shouting for.

Anyone who actually thinks Boris wants an extension is either incredibly stupid or a troll

I don't believe anyone here to be incredibly stupid ;)
Of course he doesn't want to - no money in that for his pals/donors.

Similarly if he wanted a deal, which nobody believes but the exceptionally stupid, he'd go for an election promising to leave and use his new found majority to tell the EU that he's serious, give us a good deal or we go.

That's what someone acting in the best interests of the country would do.

Maggy 02-10-2019 20:16
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If we leave without a deal and in bad faith who is going to want to deal with us..How can they trust us not to turn around and do the same with them?

1andrew1 02-10-2019 20:26
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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36012581)
If we leave without a deal and in bad faith who is going to want to deal with us..How can they trust us not to turn around and do the same with them?
All that leaving without a deal means is we negotiate from a weaker position so will pay more for less. We'll still have to pay the EU what we agreed before they open negotiations.


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