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Stepping aside from debates about numbers, I think the over-arching principle is that the negotiations need to consider everyone's views and not pander to those of the strong Brexiters like Nigel Farage and Paul Dacre.

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Really? :confused:

So you're claiming that the IN/OUT vote was held, the result was perfectly clear, more people voted out than in, Brexit was triggered accordingly and it's somehow fair that the losing side aren't having their views treaty as a top priority at this stage?

:D

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is it normal to pander to the losers then :shrug: if so whats the point in winning

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well yes :)

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I'm not sure what your point is. It's a vote to leave the EU, it's not a vote to follow the more extreme policies of Farage or Paul Dacre. If it was the other way round, 52% remain, it wouldn't be a mandate for the UK to join the Euro or Shengen area. The closeness of the vote matters; a 67% vote would give the winning side carte blanche but not 52% v 48%.

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is cilla gona jump out singing surprise surprise - whats the weather like over there in the lesser eu

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Yeah but... :)

There's a way out for those who so vehemently want to remain part of the EU and can't imagine life outside it - move there before it's too late. That way everyone will be happy. I'd really hate to think that they'd all remain in the UK and spend the rest of their lives challenging the referendum outcome and missing out on the wonders that lie just across the channel.

I reckon those who're certain that life in the UK's going to be awful will have already left (or set plans to do so in motion) which makes me wonder why so many strident remainers are still here. Maybe the truth is they're not quite sure... :shrug:

:D

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I do wonder if you listened to the referendum debate.


The Leave aims were clear.


Bring back Sovereignty.
Control of immigration
Control of taxes
Control of laws
The ability to do trade deals with other Nations.


People voted by a majority for that package. If people were not aware that Leave encompassed all that, then they weren't listening properly. That may sound harsh, but it is the reality.


That is what should now be implemented.

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:tu:

I am so tired of repeating these FACTS but all the while some folks are still in denial about the outcome of the referendum I guess I will have to keep reminding them. :D

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Not really - I've been saying we're all leavers now since the result.

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But you're still insisting that we keep one foot in the door. No thanks, leave means leave. Not halves in or let's keep the door ajar.

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Did you read the Government's White Paper that acknowledged we had sovereignty?

People voted in or out, nothing more and nothing less. The leave campaign promised many, many things including extra money for the NHS but none of those things were on the ballot paper.

We've had this debate before and Damien did his best to explain it. If he wasn't able to get his point across back then, then I know I won't be able to now.

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Which is what Mick said so moving on, The Great Repeal Bill - is this a potential stumbling block? Is it best to just enshrine all eu law into British law and amend it later if needs be rather than tinker with it along the way?

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I'm not insisting on anything - sorry if it came across this way.

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It was great to see Mick's post as it didn't matter how many times I said we're all leavers, people didn't get it.
The legislation will have to be enshrined into British law to start off with. How much it changes after this depends on the deal we do with the EU. If we want to trade as barrier-free as possible, then we will have to have harmonised legislation or we will be at an unfair advantage to them. But if we are willing to accept barriers, then we can alter it more. We will need to keep our options open by not amending it at first.

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The point is irrelevant, only 34% voted to remain, and since 37 is greater than 34, we are leaving.

(FACT).

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You sound more like a campaign group with you 'mandate' nonsense, why don't you go and join the SNP they all speak like that too.

We won, you lost, cry tears of rage if you must, but you can't ignore it or post 37% drivel like it means anything.