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I'm assuming that this quote is from HMRC or some government official either way it makes absolutely no sense and goes someway to explaining why our tax system is such a mess

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The challenge HMRC have is that the people creating these aggressive schemes employ very clever and expensive lawyers and tax specialists, whose expertise HMRC often have difficulty matching.

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I agree that's why they should not be used (classed as evasion if you like) until HMRC has shown them to be legal ,we should not be in a position where a scheme is used ,tax not paid and a costly court case is needed to decide if the scheme used is legal or not .

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One of the saddest things is people having to claim benefits whilst in work, that to me isn't right, the employers should pay a decent living wage.

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Tax avoidance is legal - such as putting your money in an ISA instead of a savings account to save on tax on the interest income.

Tax evasion is illegal.

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No surprise here... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-25886638

I'm sure this will be divisive, some will see it as the Tory reform is working, and some will see it as the total opposite.

You can also see that they want to help those that are sick back into work. Now I can't get my head around that. Not when you have forms to fill that is based on trick questions that is geared up to make you fail. The forever changing goalposts. Then there's atos on top which is also geared up to make the sick fail. So when they say they want to help, in what way are they really helping?

Then you'll read that 'millions' apparently have withdrawn their claims. Is that because they have something to hide? Maybe, but the amount of times I wanted to just give up just to be left alone, sod the impossible forms and all the stress that comes with it. I don't think it's that black and white.

The Mail is having a field day with the 'Benefit Street' program, with quotes of the sick playing slot machines like there's nothing wrong with them etc. All damning but the vilification is seemingly constant but it's working.

I have witnessed first hand to be called 'a cheat', why? Because I don't look ill or use aids such as a wheelchair. I would do my hardest not to appear sick to anyone I meet, that's being human and nothing else.

Yet for all those that think the reform is working or think it's easy to just fill in a form and claim everything, live the high life and laugh at people paying taxes then you're ignorant of the facts. The truth is that you're also condemning the genuine and making their lives a lot harder in the process.

I've also been accused of wanting the Gov to fail, just so I can bitch and moan about it. Things said like that are is just pathetic and ignorant. When it affects me in this way then bitching and moaning the last thing on my mind. I do wish for something different, just something that is fair and a whole lot more honest.

Being ill, sick, disabled etc the lines are now blurred enough to just group us as a 'benefit claimant' and nothing more and sh*t sticks.

And no I don't feel sorry for myself. I feel frustrated for those that don't have a clue.

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I said this months and months ago. that it'll just be a cut in money by stating they're fit for work. and knowing full well that the prospect of them finding work is very low.

infact it'll be like you can carry on as you were. you don't have to come in and sign on. we'll probably do a formality check once a year, but not to worry if you don't hear from us. it was just about taking money off you by putting you down as fit for work.

we'll probably be hearing from a load of these kind of people stating exactly that. that they have just been abandoned. and just get given their reduced money with no questions asked.

the hard working people won't have a problem with them either now. they'll be told that they're ok now and to leave them alone. we've reduced their money substantially.

but I do think that they should give those that they have deemed as fit for work a card or something, that they can display to someone who's uncertain. so they can prove that they're fit for work and not to be bothered anymore.

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I am waiting for those who think it is perfectly acceptable to ruin innocent peoples lives and make others totally miserable who really are in need for the sake of finding a few shirkers.

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I hope I never have to claim... Never claimed but I am glad that if ever we found ourselves without a income there would be some sort of help for us by the way of benefits ... as this would maybe help a little while finding another job ...:D My first job was a YTS a whole £25.00 per week and still had to pay digs to my Mum and Dad a whole £10.00 LOL does anyone remember the YTS scheme in 1986 ... :)

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Long before my time.

but to be fair. you could by a single for 10p then :)

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I did 2 years YTS 1985 and 1986 £26.25 per week

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Yep, I had the chance to either stay on and do A levels in 6th form for do a YTS with South Wales Police. I chose the latter and 5 good years working for them, getting a level 4 NVQ at the same time. It's a shame they no longer do YTS, I thought it was an excellent idea.

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8p and 10p if you wanted a match :LOL:

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I to thought it was excellent idea as it got you in a working environment...;) and if you impressed the gaffer you got kept on like I did... :) so all was good worked since I was 16 because of the YTS ...

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I did painting and decorating on a YTS... That was fun.

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I became a stock controller through YTS. The money was crap but at least I gained a lot from it.