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Is this another Old Boy shift so it’s not the end of linear television but the end of terrestrial and satellite broadcast television?

What about all the times you called people that watch scheduled, linear television lazy?

denphone

11-11-2020 12:16

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36057510)

Its like shifting sand as the sand keeps moving all the time.;)

spiderplant

11-11-2020 13:07

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36057503)

As a Virgin customer if you want Sky Atlantic, you can’t do that.

No, but if you want to watch something popular like BBC1, you are unlikely to fire up NowTV or even iPlayer. You'll press 1-0-1. What could be easier?

1andrew1

11-11-2020 13:27

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36057510)

So, let's try and clarify what's now being predicted:
2025 100 Mb internet broadband speed available to every UK home
2035 End of terrestrial TV, cable TV and satellite TV
2̶0̶2̶5̶ ̶2̶0̶3̶5̶ TBA End of linear broadcasting

OLD BOY

11-11-2020 13:40

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Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 36057537)

No, but if you want to watch something popular like BBC1, you are unlikely to fire up NowTV or even iPlayer. You'll press 1-0-1. What could be easier?

Yes, you would. But we are discussing a future in which the broadcast channels can o nay be accessed by IPTV. When that is the choice available, most will access on demand and the broadcast channels will get phased out.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36057510)

Is this another Old Boy shift so it’s not the end of linear television but the end of terrestrial and satellite broadcast television?

I’m not sure how you’ve come to that conclusion, but hey-ho. Enjoy playtime.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36057540)

Just one or two minor amendments:

2025: Fast broadband speeds should be available to most homes in the country. There will be some non-spots, as there are with satellite and transmitter broadcasts, mainly in very remote areas.

2035: Terrestrial, Cable and Satellite TV either replaced or substantially replaced by IPTV.

2035: Linear broadcasting via existing TV channels replaced or substantially replaced by streaming over IPTV.

That is my vision of the future, based on what we know now. You can disagree if you want, but there is mounting evidence that this will be the case.

Hugh	11-11-2020 14:32

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What’s the difference between linear channels and linear broadcasting?

jfman

11-11-2020 14:58

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36057558)

What’s the difference between linear channels and linear broadcasting?

I'm also keen to understand this.

1andrew1

11-11-2020 15:52

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Thanks. Some tedious questions around specifics.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36057543)

2025: Fast broadband speeds should be available to most homes in the country. There will be some non-spots, as there are with satellite and transmitter broadcasts, mainly in very remote areas.

What's the definition of fast and what's the definition of most?

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36057543)

2035: Terrestrial, Cable and Satellite TV either replaced or substantially replaced by IPTV.

2035: Linear broadcasting via existing TV channels replaced or substantially replaced by streaming over IPTV.

That is my vision of the future, based on what we know now. You can disagree if you want, but there is mounting evidence that this will be the case.

What's the definition of substantially replaced?

Many thanks

OLD BOY

11-11-2020 17:14

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36057558)

What’s the difference between linear channels and linear broadcasting?

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36057574)

Thanks. Some tedious questions around specifics.

What's the definition of fast and what's the definition of most?

What's the definition of substantially replaced?

Many thanks

Andrew, don’t be daft. You are expecting precise numbers now!

What I will say is that broadband speeds fast enough to view streaming videos should be available to all but a very small number by 2025. Hasn’t the government committed to super-fast broadband? That is my recollection, without looking it up.

Substantially replaced means just that. The vast majority, if not all.

EDIT: Just looked it up.

“ Boris Johnson’s Government has adopted a target to deliver “gigabit-capable broadband” nationwide by 2025.”

denphone

11-11-2020 17:26

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36057596)

You know very well that I am comparing our conventional channels with broadcasts via IPTV. Why the pedantry? Let’s have discussions instead of playing games.

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Andrew, don’t be daft. You are expecting precise numbers now!

What I will say is that broadband speeds fast enough to view streaming videos should be available to all but a very small number by 2025. Hasn’t the government committed to super-fast broadband? That is my recollection, without looking it up.

Substantially replaced means just that. The vast majority, if not all.

EDIT: Just looked it up.

“ Boris Johnson’s Government has adopted a target to deliver “gigabit-capable broadband” nationwide by 2025.”

May l remind you targets are one thing but deliverance of those targets is another...

Hugh	11-11-2020 17:26

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36057596)

You know very well that I am comparing our conventional channels with broadcasts via IPTV. Why the pedantry? Let’s have discussions instead of playing games.

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Andrew, don’t be daft. You are expecting precise numbers now!

What I will say is that broadband speeds fast enough to view streaming videos should be available to all but a very small number by 2025. Hasn’t the government committed to super-fast broadband? That is my recollection, without looking it up.

Substantially replaced means just that. The vast majority, if not all.

EDIT: Just looked it up.

“ Boris Johnson’s Government has adopted a target to deliver “gigabit-capable broadband” nationwide by 2025.”

But, but, but...

"Linear is old tech - on demand is the future"

OLD BOY

11-11-2020 18:58

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36057602)

May l remind you targets are one thing but deliverance of those targets is another...

Nevertheless, predictions of the future need to be based on known knowns.

:D

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36057603)

But, but, but...

"Linear is old tech - on demand is the future"

Linear = conventional channels in this sense. That is how the media was referring to them at the time, and some still are.

Linear will still be important for live broadcasts, but they will be streamed. Everything pre-recorded will end up on demand only.

I dare say there might still be some niche streamers like Pluto offering linear channels as well, but they will only appeal to a minority.

Hugh	11-11-2020 19:22

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36057625)

Nevertheless, predictions of the future need to be based on known knowns.

:D

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Linear = conventional channels in this sense. That is how the media was referring to them at the time, and some still are.

Linear will still be important for live broadcasts, but they will be streamed. Everything pre-recorded will end up on demand only.

I dare say there might still be some niche streamers like Pluto offering linear channels as well, but they will only appeal to a minority.

Not what you said in 2017, in the first post in a thread you started...

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...php?t=33705051

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Well, that's what Virgin Media seem to think, and this interesting piece suggests that our cableco at least is set to move on from the traditional scheduled TV means of providing content.

OLD BOY

11-11-2020 21:55

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36057633)

Not what you said in 2017, in the first post in a thread you started...

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...php?t=33705051

What are you trying to imply?

Hugh	11-11-2020 22:09

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36057655)

What are you trying to imply?

I’m not trying to imply anything - i’m stating you initially said that cablecos were set to move on from the traditional scheduled TV, and now you’re saying that scheduled TV could be delivered over IPTV.

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