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jfman 03-10-2020 08:38
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36052473)
First. We agree that streaming services have not killed off the TV channels. Yet. I have never suggested that this change will happen immediately. So why do you think this is significant?

The point I am making is that there will come a tipping point. We have not reached it yet, but give it another 5 years, and you will be ignorant or a flat earther not to notice a sea change in viewer habits.

Your scenario of one channel left...what if no-one even bothers with this mode of transmission anymore? This is a concept you seem to be unable to grasp. If you take your blinkers off, you will start to understand that people will migrate to where the best content is. People will follow the herd. But I know you have a problem with all things ‘herd’!
Yet they still watch ‘live’ linear despite every Virgin and Sky customer having a recorder.

It’s not blinkers, it’s objective reality. Just because you think a technology is better, or in fact even if a technology is better, doesn’t mean the mass market will adopt it as much as you think it could, would or should.

Broadband doesn’t have 100% market penetration. Mobile phones don’t have 100% market penetration. Cable television in the early days didn’t reach 100% penetration in cabled areas when it was literally free with a phone line that was cheaper than BT. Pay-tv doesn’t have 100% market penetration.

You’ve moved the argument twice in a single post - first to viewing habits changing - nobody has ever denied this. Second - people will follow content - again nobody has denied this.

The point you still remain unable to answer is why a company wouldn’t maintain a live, linear presence in addition to streaming.

https://www.tvbeurope.com/media-deli...g-to-go-linear

“Deep pockets” Amazon are even exploring linear!

Raider999 03-10-2020 10:59
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36052441)
It is true that there would have been a saving from not having to fill the schedules with all that pathetic filler content. What wasn’t filler was put onto BBC3 Online.

Your analogy is off the wall. BBC3 is returning as a conventional channel because it was far too early to close it down. In good time, all the Beeb’s channels will close down together and the content made available on a streamer.
Without linear channels there is nothing to justify the license fee

cheekyangus 03-10-2020 12:59
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Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36052483)
Without linear channels there is nothing to justify the license fee
The License Fee is primarily paying for content. How it's delivered is irrelevant, other than that it is widely available.

jfman 03-10-2020 13:05
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Originally Posted by cheekyangus (Post 36052492)
The License Fee is primarily paying for content. How it's delivered is irrelevant, other than that it is widely available.
That may be technically true. However, the minute the BBC ceases to be universally available and becomes ‘opt in’, through an app or sign in service, the licence fee is politically untenable.

Mad Max 03-10-2020 20:43
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36052493)
That may be technically true. However, the minute the BBC ceases to be universally available and becomes ‘opt in’, through an app or sign in service, the licence fee is politically untenable.
Spot on.

Raider999 03-10-2020 23:06
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Originally Posted by cheekyangus (Post 36052492)
The License Fee is primarily paying for content. How it's delivered is irrelevant, other than that it is widely available.
No that is wrong - the license fee is payable if you are able to receive transmissions - content has nothing to do with it.

vincerooney 04-10-2020 01:35
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Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36052561)
No that is wrong - the license fee is payable if you are able to receive transmissions - content has nothing to do with it.
we should treasure the bbc otherwise we'll become like the USA with its news service being either massively left or right wing. you have to ask why do the likes of murdoch hate the bbc so much?

But i have no desire for anyone to reply to me and argue my own personal opinion to be honest so ill leave it at that.

Do we have any news on then peacock is launching in the UK? Will that be another squeeze on content already available on amazon/netflix?

Legendkiller2k 04-10-2020 02:48
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Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 36052575)
we should treasure the bbc otherwise we'll become like the USA with its news service being either massively left or right wing. you have to ask why do the likes of murdoch hate the bbc so much?

But i have no desire for anyone to reply to me and argue my own personal opinion to be honest so ill leave it at that.

Do we have any news on then peacock is launching in the UK? Will that be another squeeze on content already available on amazon/netflix?
Peacock isn't launching in the UK as of yet, all original Peacock content will be on SKY.
Reminds me i have a fun 250 page document to get through when i get into work on Monday morning it is titled UHD VM *shrugs* will give more info once i've read it.

vincerooney 04-10-2020 22:48
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Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36052577)
Peacock isn't launching in the UK as of yet, all original Peacock content will be on SKY.
Reminds me i have a fun 250 page document to get through when i get into work on Monday morning it is titled UHD VM *shrugs* will give more info once i've read it.
Enjoy the read! i'm off work for the week for my birthday...considering i'll be doing sod all because of covid in my area i'll take any scraps of info

Legendkiller2k 05-10-2020 13:35
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Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 36052678)
Enjoy the read! i'm off work for the week for my birthday...considering i'll be doing sod all because of covid in my area i'll take any scraps of info
Not really much in that document just mostly goes on about prime uhd and Netflix uhd, also Shudder might be appearing as a app on vm and SKY, shudder isn't uhd btw it's a horror service from AMC,
Document mentions that AMC may leave BTTV in 2021 too they're not happy with the viewing figures plans to bring AMC+ to the UK.
Peacock confirms what i said most original contract will be on Comcast uk services aks SKY.

Phunkenstein 05-10-2020 14:19
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Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36052738)
Not really much in that document just mostly goes on about prime uhd and Netflix uhd, also Shudder might be appearing as a app on vm and SKY, shudder isn't uhd btw it's a horror service from AMC,
Document mentions that AMC may leave BTTV in 2021 too they're not happy with the viewing figures plans to bring AMC+ to the UK.
Peacock confirms what i said most original contract will be on Comcast uk services aks SKY.
Very interesting about Shudder coming to Sky and VM - I’m an occasional subscriber and they are building up a really solid portfolio of exclusive and original shows & movies... getting it onto pay tv platforms could be a real boost to them.

And I wondered whether AMC would consider going D2C here following the launch of AMC+ in the US... I cannot imagine they are happy with the BT reach and with plans to expand Walking Dead after the original series ends, I would think they would want to exploit that content themselves rather than selling rights to Amazon like they have done with World Beyond. AMC own Shudder, Acorn TV and Sundance Now so curious if any potential version of AMC+ would house other brands like the US version does.

Legendkiller2k 05-10-2020 16:28
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Originally Posted by Phunkenstein (Post 36052745)
Very interesting about Shudder coming to Sky and VM - I’m an occasional subscriber and they are building up a really solid portfolio of exclusive and original shows & movies... getting it onto pay tv platforms could be a real boost to them.

And I wondered whether AMC would consider going D2C here following the launch of AMC+ in the US... I cannot imagine they are happy with the BT reach and with plans to expand Walking Dead after the original series ends, I would think they would want to exploit that content themselves rather than selling rights to Amazon like they have done with World Beyond. AMC own Shudder, Acorn TV and Sundance Now so curious if any potential version of AMC+ would house other brands like the US version does.
Good call on the AMC+ hosting other AMC brands, Sundance now is another superb service some great indie movies on it too.

denphone 06-10-2020 13:22
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BT to offer 6-month free subscription to Britbox.

https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2020...eid=3598503789

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New and existing BT Broadband and BT TV customers are to be offered a six month subscription to Britbox.
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After the initial six-month period ends, customers can choose to continue paying for BritBox at £5.99/month directly through their BT bill.

ozsat 06-10-2020 14:26
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You have to subscribe via BT - so no doubt it is going to screw up the BT billing system.

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36052849)
BT to offer 6-month free subscription to Britbox.

1andrew1 06-10-2020 14:54
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Originally Posted by ozsat (Post 36052857)
You have to subscribe via BT - so no doubt it is going to screw up the BT billing system.
People like fewer bills to keep track of so I can see why they're doing it.


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