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denphone 05-10-2022 19:59
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Typical government Trumpian blame game tactics.

1andrew1 05-10-2022 20:42
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
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Originally Posted by richard-john56 (Post 36136081)
Congratulations to the two Green Peace Ladies for showing what Truss and Co are against.
A picture of any of the following would show what she's up against.
  • The British public's voting intentions.
  • The laws of economics.
  • Many Conservative MPs including several Ministers.
  • Rising interest rates.
  • Growing budget deficit.


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Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36136093)
She didn't make clear was the growth going to fund the new infrastructure she promised or is the new infrastructure going to attract the the growth she promised. I can see neither happening.
Sensible infrastructure investment like East West Rail and the Northern Powerhouse should increase efficiency and growth.

jfman 05-10-2022 20:53
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36136095)
Typical government Trumpian blame game tactics.
There’s certainly a tone attempting to weaponise subjects that are just mundane.

1andrew1 05-10-2022 21:59
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36136094)
Ah, but if it doesn’t happen, it will be because of the "anti-growth coalition" and the "enemies of enterprise"…
That all sounds too much like Animal Farm for my liking!

Hugh 06-10-2022 08:59
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
I think this sums it up…

https://twitter.com/DavidPNoble63/st..._Ejl1wajA&s=07

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When all you touch falls apart, and you can't articulate your plans, make up an enemy, give it a name that means nothing and deflect, deflect, deflect, from a mess of your own making.
And when Nadine Dorries thinks you’re too right-wing, you probably need to re-evaluate your position.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/u...russ-mdrhw9h8w

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The Conservative Party faces a landslide defeat at the next election unless Liz Truss changes course, a former cabinet minister and close ally of Boris Johnson has warned.

Nadine Dorries, who was a prominent supporter of Truss during the Tory leadership contest, said the prime minister had made some “big mistakes” in her first weeks in office and did not have a mandate for her radical agenda.

The former culture secretary accused Truss of abandoning some of Johnson’s most prominent policies and said that plans to curb benefit increases were “cruel” and unconservative at a time when people were struggling to cope with the cost of living. Dorries added that the government was “lurching to the right” and abandoning the centre ground to Labour…

… She said: “I understand that we need to rocket-booster growth, but you don’t do that by throwing the baby out with the bathwater. You don’t win elections by lurching to the right and deserting the centre ground for Keir Starmer to place his flag on..

Sephiroth 06-10-2022 10:01
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
What did that silly woman mean by "lurching to the right"?

jfman 06-10-2022 10:17
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
https://www.theguardian.com/business...z-trusss-plans

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Millions of households are facing a “stealth” tax raid under Liz Truss’s government despite her promise to support workers through the cost-of-living crisis by lowering their tax bills, Britain’s leading economic thinktank said on Thursday.

The Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS) has calculated that for every £1 given to workers by cutting headline tax rates, £2 was being taken away through a freeze on the level at which people begin paying tax on their earnings.
So much for giving back to hard working people!

Damien 06-10-2022 10:20
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36136116)
What did that silly woman mean by "lurching to the right"?
Tax cuts and spending cuts are more to the right of where Boris Johnson, to whom Dorris was a massive ally, was.

Sephiroth 06-10-2022 10:50
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36136118)
Tax cuts and spending cuts are more to the right of where Boris Johnson, to whom Dorris was a massive ally, was.
We seem to understand what "lefties" means, but "right wing" needs more definition. In my lifetime, it meant fascism.

ianch99 06-10-2022 10:52
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36136092)
He’d get promoted to Cabinet for that kind of insight.
Is that the Wooden Cabinet? ;)

Damien 06-10-2022 10:57
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36136122)
We seem to understand what "lefties" means, but "right wing" needs more definition. In my lifetime, it meant fascism.
I would say the far-right is fascist or at least any authoritarian approach to imposing your political ideology on the country.

Right-wing is either economically right-wing meaning a smaller state with less spending and lower taxes or socially right-wing with opposition to 'progressive' change.

Sephiroth 06-10-2022 11:15
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36136125)
I would say the far-right is fascist or at least any authoritarian approach to imposing your political ideology on the country.

Right-wing is either economically right-wing meaning a smaller state with less spending and lower taxes or socially right-wing with opposition to 'progressive' change.
I sense that your view is based on the span between "left" (which we understand) and "right", which is perfectly reasonable.

So Nads is saying that Boris was bigger State then Truss wants to be. She's a Conservative and should be criticising Boris rather than Truss (who seems useless to me, btw) for trying to release us from the pervasive state.

Having said that, apart from high taxes because we have low productivity/growth, the real pervasive state is police behaviour in focusing on Twitter (armchair policing), bursting into people's homes, rather than taking on the bad guys. Almost "far-right" - under Boris.

Chris 06-10-2022 11:18
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36136122)
We seem to understand what "lefties" means, but "right wing" needs more definition. In my lifetime, it meant fascism.
The Political Compass remains one of the best resources for teasing out these definitions. This is their exapliner, well worth 5 minutes of your time:



Long story short, if you try to describe economic and social politics in terms of “left” and “right” simultaneously you will come unstuck. You need to define someone’s position as economically left or right and socially authoritarian or libertarian. And one position by no means pre-ordains the other.

Their website is here: https://www.politicalcompass.org/

Damien 06-10-2022 11:22
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36136128)
[COLOR="Blue"]I sense that your view is based on the span between "left" (which we understand) and "right", which is perfectly reasonable.
I think you believe the left is easier to understand because you're not within it so find it easier to paint it with a broad brush whereas you have a better understanding of the divisions with 'the right' so find it harder to define precisely. Left/Right classifications aren't perfect but we generally have a rough idea of what we mean.

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So Nads is saying that Boris was bigger State then Truss wants to be. She's a Conservative and should be criticising Boris rather than Truss (who seems useless to me, btw) for trying to release us from the pervasive state.
Well, that's the divide within the Tory Party at the moment but Doris would say they were elected on a platform that didn't push lower taxes and a smaller state.

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Having said that, apart from high taxes because we have low productivity/growth, the real pervasive state is police behaviour in focusing on Twitter (armchair policing), bursting into people's homes, rather than taking on the bad guys. Almost "far-right" - under Boris.
I think the police find it easier to deal with Twitter posts than crimes because it takes fewer resources and is an easy win for them. It's authoritarian but I think you need more than a few examples for it to be a far-right/fascist/authoritarian state.

Hugh 06-10-2022 11:55
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36136129)
The Political Compass remains one of the best resources for teasing out these definitions. This is their exapliner, well worth 5 minutes of your time:



Long story short, if you try to describe economic and social politics in terms of “left” and “right” simultaneously you will come unstuck. You need to define someone’s position as economically left or right and socially authoritarian or libertarian. And one position by no means pre-ordains the other.

Their website is here: https://www.politicalcompass.org/
Been a while since I did that quiz...

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...6&d=1665053680


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