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papa smurf 21-01-2022 08:44
Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36110482)
I think the fact there is a photo/video helps Starmer because it shows him in an office with a beer, rather mundane.
The best way of clearing up this whole matter is for starmer to step down.

Maggy 21-01-2022 09:05
Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36110497)
Precisely, Russia is literally on the precipice of invading Ukraine, many pundits and world leaders say it’s gonna happen, this could thrust us all in to World War 3.

But yeah, UK media go on and on about no. 10 parties. defections… :rolleyes:
No that's just Mr Putin angling for some advantage or other probably of a financial nature.

Damien 21-01-2022 09:20
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36110497)
Precisely, Russia is literally on the precipice of invading Ukraine, many pundits and world leaders say it’s gonna happen, this could thrust us all in to World War 3.

But yeah, UK media go on and on about no. 10 parties. defections… :rolleyes:
That's why it's important a Government doesn't waste its authority. This isn't the media's fault, it's their fault for displaying such disregard for their own rules and the public and their incompetence in handling it when they got caught out.

The media are reporting it because the public care. It's almost always the case that what the public and media care about is, to a neutral observer, objectively out of proportion to what is actually happening in the world.

At any one time there is turmoil on the Indian border with Kashmir, China's treatment of the Uyghurs, there has been a war in Yemen for years now and civil wars in some African states whilst our front pages will focus on the fact that Ant and/or Dec have crashed their car.

Thankfully when it comes to Ukraine the Foreign Office and MOD can just get on with it. They don't need Parliament and even if they did there is a consensus on it.

tweetiepooh 21-01-2022 09:36
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My wife said she was listening on radio (Moral Maze?) and it was commented that before the election people knew Mr Boris was an affable chap who liked to please people and was a bit of a clown. That he behaved in that way shouldn't be a surprise. He wants to be liked even if he should really be firmer.


But further to this, it really isn't that much of an issue. It's looking back a fair way about something they shouldn't really have done but really isn't that important. I read that some mother was complaining that a family member died (not HRM) and they held a "work event". Not really related unless someone attending contracted covid, passed it on etc. And I would say the same about Starmer or any others. If there is something that need investigating, investigate and deal with appropriately. This isn't something that really affects the nation or needs immediate action.

Sephiroth 21-01-2022 09:42
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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36110507)
My wife said she was listening on radio (Moral Maze?) and it was commented that before the election people knew Mr Boris was an affable chap who liked to please people and was a bit of a clown. That he behaved in that way shouldn't be a surprise. He wants to be liked even if he should really be firmer.


But further to this, it really isn't that much of an issue. It's looking back a fair way about something they shouldn't really have done but really isn't that important. I read that some mother was complaining that a family member died (not HRM) and they held a "work event". Not really related unless someone attending contracted covid, passed it on etc. And I would say the same about Starmer or any others. If there is something that need investigating, investigate and deal with appropriately. This isn't something that really affects the nation or needs immediate action.

There is merit in what Tweetiepooh has said.

Nevertheless, Boris is a dishonest buffoon and needs to be replaced soonest.

papa smurf 21-01-2022 09:50
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36110509)

There is merit in what Tweetiepooh has said.

Nevertheless, Boris is a dishonest buffoon and needs to be replaced soonest.
Replaced by who?

Hugh 21-01-2022 10:07
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36110510)
Replaced by who?
Someone more capable - Peppa Pig, Mr Blobby, Ralph Wiggum, or Scrappy Doo…

1andrew1 21-01-2022 10:49
Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 
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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36110507)
My wife said she was listening on radio (Moral Maze?) and it was commented that before the election people knew Mr Boris was an affable chap who liked to please people and was a bit of a clown. That he behaved in that way shouldn't be a surprise. He wants to be liked even if he should really be firmer.


But further to this, it really isn't that much of an issue. It's looking back a fair way about something they shouldn't really have done but really isn't that important. I read that some mother was complaining that a family member died (not HRM) and they held a "work event". Not really related unless someone attending contracted covid, passed it on etc. And I would say the same about Starmer or any others. If there is something that need investigating, investigate and deal with appropriately. This isn't something that really affects the nation or needs immediate action.
The issue is that it breaks the contract between government and the people. That's extremely important. You only have to look at countries like France that don't have such a strong connection between the two to see how this manifests itself in lower vaccination rates and civil disobedience.

Sephiroth 21-01-2022 11:08
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36110514)
The issue is that it breaks the contract between government and the people. That's extremely important. You only have to look at countries like France that don't have such a strong connection between the two to see how this manifests itself in lower vaccination rates and civil disobedience.

Is there a contract? I get the point, namely that the Guvmin and its employees should not be a law unto themselves contrary to what the people are allowed to do. But Tweetiepooh has a point that the real job of government must continue uninterrupted, which I suspect is happening (ministers exercising their briefs).

It’s just Boris, behaving like he was still at Eton who needs sorting out.

As to who should be next Tory leader, I’m leaning towards David Frost.


Carth 21-01-2022 11:37
Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36110510)
Replaced by who?
If you put it to a public vote, you'd probably get - in no particular order:

Jeremy Clarkson
Adele
Ant/Dec
Wayne Rooney
A Tiktok influencer
Mary Berry
An annoying 'personality' celebrity that once won a talent show
Mrs Brown (and her boys)
Bradley Walsh
Jeff Stelling
Cristiano Ronaldo


:D

Hugh 21-01-2022 11:45
Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36110515)

Is there a contract? I get the point, namely that the Guvmin and its employees should not be a law unto themselves contrary to what the people are allowed to do. But Tweetiepooh has a point that the real job of government must continue uninterrupted, which I suspect is happening (ministers exercising their briefs).

It’s just Boris, behaving like he was still at Eton who needs sorting out.

As to who should be next Tory leader, I’m leaning towards David Frost.

What, an unelected bureaucrat telling us what to do?

Damien 21-01-2022 12:27
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I don't think you can really have a member of the House of Lords as PM. I know it's allowed but it'll look ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36110515)
Is there a contract? I get the point, namely that the Guvmin and its employees should not be a law unto themselves contrary to what the people are allowed to do. But Tweetiepooh has a point that the real job of government must continue uninterrupted, which I suspect is happening (ministers exercising their briefs).

It’s just Boris, behaving like he was still at Eton who needs sorting out.
Well exactly, they can get on with the day to day running of the country.

The extent to which the turmoil in No 10 impacts is the fault of Johnson/No 10. The media isn't obliged to go easy on the Government because they have important work to do.

OLD BOY 21-01-2022 13:01
Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36110522)
I don't think you can really have a member of the House of Lords as PM. I know it's allowed but it'll look ridiculous.

---------- Post added at 12:27 ---------- Previous post was at 12:25 ----------



Well exactly, they can get on with the day to day running of the country.

The extent to which the turmoil in No 10 impacts is the fault of Johnson/No 10. The media isn't obliged to go easy on the Government because they have important work to do.
The media should be concentrating on the real news, not the outbursts from that arrogant nobody with a grudge, Dominic Cummings.

I suspect that the Gray report will put the partygate affair in context and make a lot of people look very silly.

1andrew1 21-01-2022 13:07
Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36110515)

Is there a contract? I get the point, namely that the Guvmin and its employees should not be a law unto themselves contrary to what the people are allowed to do. But Tweetiepooh has a point that the real job of government must continue uninterrupted, which I suspect is happening (ministers exercising their briefs).

It’s just Boris, behaving like he was still at Eton who needs sorting out.

As to who should be next Tory leader, I’m leaning towards David Frost.

Government is running but Johnson is holed. Presumably that's why Truss warned Putin about Ukraine and not Johnson. Surely the wrong level to make any impact.
One clown as PM is enough!

And it wouldn't sit well with an unelected official running the country!

If we wanted an older pro-Brexit PM then it would have to be David Davis. He's got the right line on Russian interference in UK democracy.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36110528)
The media should be concentrating on the real news, not the outbursts from that arrogant nobody with a grudge, Dominic Cummings.

I suspect that the Gray report will put the partygate affair in context and make a lot of people look very silly.
I'm afraid Johnson and chums already look very silly!

Sephiroth 21-01-2022 13:34
Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36110519)
What, an unelected bureaucrat telling us what to do?
Not at all. The Earl of Home comes to mind who regressed to Sir Alec Douglas Home and then took a Commons seat in a by-election.


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