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jfman 14-05-2019 13:34
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Hang on is linear surviving the apocalypse after all? ;)

OLD BOY 14-05-2019 13:44
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35994814)
Hang on is linear surviving the apocalypse after all? ;)
Never said it wasn't. See above post.

Horizon 14-05-2019 18:35
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While some here think that the media landscape is not in a significant shift away from linear to streaming, Disney don't. They've just taken full control of Hulu, although oddly, Comcast will still own its share for another five years :

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2019/05/1...he-street.html

jfman 14-05-2019 19:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 35994846)
While some here think that the media landscape is not in a significant shift away from linear to streaming, Disney don't. They've just taken full control of Hulu, although oddly, Comcast will still own its share for another five years :

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2019/05/1...he-street.html
I can't think of anyone who doesn't see streaming as a part of the landscape. I myself subscribe to three of them and whether I'm with Sky or Virgin 'on demand' viewing is something I personally use frequently.

Hulu is also losing all NBC Universal content as a result of that deal, obviously Comcast will keep that on their own services. In the UK that will probably be known as Sky and/or Now TV.

Horizon 14-05-2019 20:26
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I think Comcast will use the Sky brand for their global streamer as they paid so much for the company, but we'll see.

As I said the other week, I don't see in the long term Disney (and the other companies) having multiple streaming services each. I know Disney is known for its kids content and ESPN for its sports and HULU for live tv and drama, but it seems crazy having different streaming services. I expect that the Hulu brand will get dumped and either Disney will use the Disney name for everything, or pick something else with different pricing tiers depending on what you want.

Aka, the short version of that is I expect Hulu to be absorbed into Disney +.

denphone 30-05-2019 14:32
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Netflix to raise prices for UK subscribers by up to 20%.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...box=1559222742

Quote:
The streaming company, which has not raised prices in the UK since 2017, is increasing the cost of a standard plan by £1 to £8.99 and premium by £2 to £11.99. The price of a basic plan remains unchanged at £5.99.
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The company is looking to drive revenues from its customers, which number more than 150 million globally, as the company seeks to continue to fund its $15bn (£12bn) content budget and try to keep a cap on long-term costs and debt totalling about $30bn.

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The company, which has 10 million UK subscribers, said new customers will pay the higher rates immediately, while the increases will be implemented for existing users “over the coming weeks”.

muppetman11 30-05-2019 15:43
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Don't forget though this streaming world will still be cheap as chips Den.;)

denphone 30-05-2019 15:47
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35997208)
Don't forget though this streaming world will still be cheap as chips Den.;)
Well MM there is actual reality and there is actual fantasy at the end of the day.;)

Answers on a postcard.;)

Raider999 30-05-2019 18:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35997208)
Don't forget though this streaming world will still be cheap as chips Den.;)

Interestingly, no comment as yet from OB😱

denphone 30-05-2019 19:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 35997253)
Interestingly, no comment as yet from OB😱
Jeremy Hunt eat your heart out.;)

OLD BOY 31-05-2019 08:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35997208)
Don't forget though this streaming world will still be cheap as chips Den.;)
And no doubt you will say that every time they increase their prices. Netflix still represents incredible value for money and puts the pay tv providers to shame.

jfman 31-05-2019 17:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35997313)
And no doubt you will say that every time they increase their prices. Netflix still represents incredible value for money and puts the pay tv providers to shame.
That's because they're in $20bn of debt Old Boy. Once prices rise to make the business model sustainable the dynamic will change.

OLD BOY 31-05-2019 17:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35997409)
That's because they're in $20bn of debt Old Boy. Once prices rise to make the business model sustainable the dynamic will change.
They are also increasing their audience worldwide, which will increase their income substantially.

jfman 31-05-2019 18:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35997414)
They are also increasing their audience worldwide, which will increase their income substantially.
Not really, the emerging markets don’t have the GDP to support pricing at the same level as the UK/US. In some countries it’s barely £3 a month. Barely going to touch the sides of the $20bn. It also means they’re having to acquire more local rights in more markets - you can’t peddle US repeats into every country in the world and expect them to view it as a premium product.

oliver1948uk 31-05-2019 19:30
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The number of Netflix subscribers could fall with so many other streaming services seeking our custom over the coming months. Many of us have only a limited amount to spend on the media.

jfman 31-05-2019 19:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by oliver1948uk (Post 35997434)
The number of Netflix subscribers could fall with so many other streaming services seeking our custom over the coming months. Many of us have only a limited amount to spend on the media.
Exactly. No magic money tree for customers.

denphone 31-05-2019 19:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35997435)
Exactly. No magic money tree for customers.
People only have a certain spend at the end of the day.

Mad Max 31-05-2019 20:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35997436)
People only have a certain spend at the end of the day.
Yes they do, Den, but no one knows how they will spend it ,but they all might go to Netflix!

denphone 31-05-2019 20:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 35997453)
Yes they do, Den, but no one knows how they will spend it ,but they all might go to Netflix!
l somehow doubt it MM.;)

OLD BOY 01-06-2019 02:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35997462)
l somehow doubt it MM.;)
Yes, Den, but you are the famous prophet of doom!

Netflix will survive well after we are gone!

denphone 01-06-2019 05:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35997473)
Yes, Den, but you are the famous prophet of doom!

Netflix will survive well after we are gone!
Only in your opinion OB.;)

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35997473)
Yes, Den, but you are the famous prophet of doom!

Netflix will survive well after we are gone!
Well they said that about other Untouchables but remember no company is untouchable...

Mad Max 01-06-2019 12:32
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https://www.vox.com/2019/4/16/184109...ional-earnings

muppetman11 01-06-2019 12:40
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Netflix isn't going anywhere , that said it will find it far harder when other competing services launch and some of its popular content starts to get removed.

I expect to see prices rise further however pressure from competitors is also likely to force Netflix to explore other avenues of revenue for example advertising.

Mad Max 01-06-2019 12:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35997502)
Netflix isn't going anywhere , that said it will find it far harder when other competing services launch and some of its popular content starts to get removed.

I expect to see prices rise further however pressure from competitors is also likely to force Netflix to explore other avenues of revenue for example advertising.
So the report i posted is wrong then?

muppetman11 01-06-2019 12:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 35997505)
So the report i posted is wrong then?
Wrong in what way ?

Mad Max 01-06-2019 12:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35997506)
Wrong in what way ?
My apologies MM, i misread your reply.....:)

denphone 03-06-2019 05:59
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Some interesting thoughts on Netflix in this article.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...s-streaming-in

Quote:
Netflix’s decision to raise prices for UK customers by up to 20%, following a similar move in the US, is the latest sign of the mounting financial pressure the streaming giant is facing to keep its balance sheet in shape as it prepares for the arrival of deep-pocketed rival Disney’s eagerly anticipated service later this year.
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The company’s breakneck pursuit of global streaming domination means putting growth before profits, and the cost of amassing 150 million subscribers – 10 million of those in the UK – is mounting. Netflix’s annual programme budget stands at $15bn (£12bn) and the company has amassed a total of $42bn in debt and longer-term payments relating to content.
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Sir Martin Sorrell, the former head of the world’s biggest marketing group, WPP, has said Netflix would have to consider advertising “as an alternative revenue generation opportunity”.
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Netflix is not yet at a point where ad revenue is crucial to its viability.

OLD BOY 03-06-2019 07:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35997700)
Some interesting thoughts on Netflix in this article.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...s-streaming-in
Interesting, Den. However, as I have said before, Netflix would do well to offer a subscription free advertising alternative rather than inflict advertisements on everyone. I don't think most subscribers would take kindly to commercials. Many would just walk away.from the service.

oliver1948uk 03-06-2019 08:29
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Why do we go round in circles? It has already been stated more than once that advertisers want their wares in front of those with money, not the poor who opt for the free version

OLD BOY 03-06-2019 08:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by oliver1948uk (Post 35997708)
Why do we go round in circles? It has already been stated more than once that advertisers want their wares in front of those with money, not the poor who opt for the free version
You are looking at this from the point of view of the advertisers. Why should Netflix care about them unless they actually need them?

denphone 03-06-2019 09:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35997702)
Interesting, Den. However, as I have said before, Netflix would do well to offer a subscription free advertising alternative rather than inflict advertisements on everyone. I don't think most subscribers would take kindly to commercials. Many would just walk away.from the service.
Commercials are coming sometime in the future whether subscribers like it or not OB.

OLD BOY 03-06-2019 10:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35997713)
Commercials are coming sometime in the future whether subscribers like it or not OB.
Only as an alternative to subscriptions, Den.

oliver1948uk 03-06-2019 10:19
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That is just what you hope; not a fact

OLD BOY 03-06-2019 10:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by oliver1948uk (Post 35997722)
That is just what you hope; not a fact
I don't think Netflix would want to lose a considerable number of subscribers to achieve an advertising model, do you? The ITV Hub and All4 services both offer an ad free version and a subscription version, and from what I have read, US streamers are thinking along the same lines. This would provide the best of both worlds - increased engagement with viewers and increased income for the service providers.

muppetman11 03-06-2019 10:34
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Interestingly the article states that in the USA three quarters of Hulu's 28 million subscribers take the $5.99 package which has exposure to commercials. It's also believed Hulu makes more money from the $5.99 subs than its ad free $11.99.

Comcast will offer a free version of its streaming service to Comcast and Sky subscribers and estimated it could make $5 per month from each subscriber.

denphone 03-06-2019 12:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by oliver1948uk (Post 35997722)
That is just what you hope; not a fact
Nail hit on head!!!!!

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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35997726)
Interestingly the article states that in the USA three quarters of Hulu's 28 million subscribers take the $5.99 package which has exposure to commercials. It's also believed Hulu makes more money from the $5.99 subs than its ad free $11.99.

Comcast will offer a free version of its streaming service to Comcast and Sky subscribers and estimated it could make $5 per month from each subscriber.
l suspect he just ignored that part as it does not suite his agenda,:D

OLD BOY 03-06-2019 19:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35997738)
Nail hit on head!!!!!

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l suspect he just ignored that part as it does not suite his agenda,:D
Ignored what part? I would pay the higher subscription to avoid adverts, as I am sure many would. If commercials intruded on Netflix in a big way, you wouldn't see me for dust.

So what is the economic argument for driving away all those customers?

denphone 03-06-2019 20:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35997806)
Ignored what part? I would pay the higher subscription to avoid adverts, as I am sure many would. If commercials intruded on Netflix in a big way, you wouldn't see me for dust.

So what is the economic argument for driving away all those customers?
He who sees what he wants to see and hear and he that does not like to see and hear what he does not like not like to see and hear.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35997806)
I would pay the higher subscription to avoid adverts, as I am sure many would. If commercials intruded on Netflix in a big way, you wouldn't see me for dust.

So what is the economic argument for driving away all those customers?
l doubt quite a few would not want to pay extra for a advert free Netflix as there is only such much people have at their disposal cash wise.

OLD BOY 03-06-2019 20:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35997807)
He who sees what he wants to see and hear and he that does not like to see and hear what he does not like not like to see and hear.

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l doubt quite a few would not want to pay extra for a advert free Netflix as there is only such much people have at their disposal cash wise.
As an avid supporter of scheduled TV, Den, I wouldn't expect you to care less whether commercials were on Netflix. Plenty would, though.

denphone 03-06-2019 20:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35997811)
As an avid supporter of scheduled TV, Den, I wouldn't expect you to care less whether commercials were on Netflix. Plenty would, though.
l am no avid supporter of anything nor am l biased OB as l say it as l see it but of course you see it as someone who is bitterly opposed to streaming which of course is something very much something you are imagining.

muppetman11 03-06-2019 20:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35997811)
As an avid supporter of scheduled TV, Den, I wouldn't expect you to care less whether commercials were on Netflix. Plenty would, though.
If Hulu is anything to go by clearly people are more price sensitive being that over three quarters subscribe to the cheaper ad supported version. Comcast have said their ad supported service will have 3-5 mins per hour which personally I find acceptable and would gladly accept free rathe than pay.

OLD BOY 04-06-2019 08:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35997815)
If Hulu is anything to go by clearly people are more price sensitive being that over three quarters subscribe to the cheaper ad supported version. Comcast have said their ad supported service will have 3-5 mins per hour which personally I find acceptable and would gladly accept free rathe than pay.
Yes, but maybe the majority of those three quarters would not have subscribed had they had to pay a subscription.

muppetman11 04-06-2019 11:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35997849)
Yes, but maybe the majority of those three quarters would not have subscribed had they had to pay a subscription.
They do have to pay a subscription though $5.99

OLD BOY 04-06-2019 12:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35997873)
They do have to pay a subscription though $5.99
Nevertheless, the lower subscription charge would have increased inclusivity.

muppetman11 04-06-2019 12:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35997884)
Nevertheless, the lower subscription charge would have increased inclusivity.
It clearly shows people will tolerate ads for a lower monthly cost and the provider can still make as much if not more from these subscribers.

In many instances it would allow subscribers to take two services for what they'd normally pay for one ad free.

denphone 04-06-2019 12:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35997887)
It clearly shows people will tolerate ads for a lower monthly cost and the provider can still make as much if not more from these subscribers.

In many instances it would allow subscribers to take two services for what they'd normally pay for one ad free.
Its alright MM as l am sure OB will look at his book of excuses and come back with another one soon enough.;)

OLD BOY 04-06-2019 12:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35997887)
It clearly shows people will tolerate ads for a lower monthly cost and the provider can still make as much if not more from these subscribers.

In many instances it would allow subscribers to take two services for what they'd normally pay for one ad free.
No, it shows that some people tolerate ads.

I'm not sure why you are arguing about this. The streamers would be able to satisfy both camps by giving a choice. What's wrong with that?

muppetman11 04-06-2019 12:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35997890)
No, it shows that some people tolerate ads.

I'm not sure why you are arguing about this. The streamers would be able to satisfy both camps by giving a choice. What's wrong with that?
As I recall , it was you telling us Netflix would never have ads then as more stories came out you switched as per usual your posts to oh well there'll be two options.:D

denphone 04-06-2019 13:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35997892)
As I recall , it was you telling us Netflix would never have ads then as more stories came out you switched as per usual your posts to oh well there'll be two options.:D
Its alright three options will be the next magic number.:D

cupcakes aka dd 05-06-2019 00:28
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If your V6 fails for whatever reason and you have Netflix and Amazon apps active on it how would you sign out of your accounts on that box especially if the engineer replaces the box. Can you sign out of a VM device from The Netflix website?

SnoopZ 05-06-2019 00:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cupcakes aka dd (Post 35997979)
If your V6 fails for whatever reason and you have Netflix and Amazon apps active on it how would you sign out of your accounts on that box especially if the engineer replaces the box. Can you sign out of a VM device from The Netflix website?
One way to sign out is to change the password, if you can't do it another way.

Edit
You can sign out of all devices from the Netflix site.

Stephen 05-06-2019 00:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cupcakes aka dd (Post 35997979)
If your V6 fails for whatever reason and you have Netflix and Amazon apps active on it how would you sign out of your accounts on that box especially if the engineer replaces the box. Can you sign out of a VM device from The Netflix website?
Just change the password and that should sign out on all devices. However the boxes would be erasedand repaired so no one should be able to access your account.

OLD BOY 05-06-2019 08:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35997892)
As I recall , it was you telling us Netflix would never have ads then as more stories came out you switched as per usual your posts to oh well there'll be two options.:D
What I said was that Netflix were saying they would never include advertisements on their service.

Since then, the CEO has softened his stance, which some think means that commercials on the streamer are inevitable.

All I am saying is that if they do come (which is still speculation), I would have thought that there would be a subscription option that excluded adverts.

heero_yuy 05-06-2019 08:49
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Quote:
Quote from cupcakes aka dd:

If your V6 fails for whatever reason and you have Netflix and Amazon apps active on it how would you sign out of your accounts on that box especially if the engineer replaces the box. Can you sign out of a VM device from The Netflix website?
For most web sites / services your signed in/out status is actually held in a cookie on the local machine. New machine would not have the cookie on it until you log back into the site.

For example I can be logged into CF on my main machine but if I browse the site on the laptop I'm not signed in but am shown as on the site.

OLD BOY 10-06-2019 12:56
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A new subscription on demand service from A+E Network is now available in the UK. It will be interesting to see if Virgin takes this up, but it's not for me.

https://www.digitaltveurope.com/2019...e-networks-uk/

denphone 10-06-2019 13:45
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BT in Britbox talks.

https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2019...eid=3598503789

Quote:
The Sunday Telegraph says discussions been ITV, which makes dramas including Victoria (pictured) and Marcella and BT have already taken place, though there is disagreement over the size of the multimillion pound investment.

cheekyangus 10-06-2019 15:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35998528)
That's the 2nd summary I've read today and it only mentions ITV, despite it being a joint venture with the BBC.

Probably should read the full article now :D

SonicMaster 10-06-2019 15:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35998522)
A new subscription on demand service from A+E Network is now available in the UK. It will be interesting to see if Virgin takes this up, but it's not for me.

https://www.digitaltveurope.com/2019...e-networks-uk/
As both HISTORY Play and Crime + Investigation Play have content from their linear channels (both of which are carried on VM) and VM already has HISTORY and Crime + Investigation content 'on demand' within the Box Sets service, I'm not sure we need yet another separate subscription app!

OLD BOY 10-06-2019 16:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SonicMaster (Post 35998546)
As both HISTORY Play and Crime + Investigation Play have content from their linear channels (both of which are carried on VM) and VM already has HISTORY and Crime + Investigation content 'on demand' within the Box Sets service, I'm not sure we need yet another separate subscription app!
Depends what's on it and whether it's advert free.

Horizon 10-06-2019 22:22
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AT&T have announced that they will launch one overall streaming service combining HBO with all other Warner content and merge their Direct TV service in with it too. Price somewhere between $15-18 per month.

https://www.fiercevideo.com/video/at...ia-svod-report

OLD BOY 11-06-2019 14:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 35998626)
AT&T have announced that they will launch one overall streaming service combining HBO with all other Warner content and merge their Direct TV service in with it too. Price somewhere between $15-18 per month.

https://www.fiercevideo.com/video/at...ia-svod-report
It will probably be a couple of years at least before that launches in the UK, I would have thought.

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https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2019...ports-network/

Rakuten is to launch a new live streaming and VOD sports entertainment platform designed to deliver sports content to a global audience.

Its centrepiece is Japan’s J.League, popular within the target audience of Vietnam, Singapore, Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, Cambodia, Myanmar, Laos and other countries in Southeast Asia.

Horizon 12-06-2019 12:38
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Needs to be sooner Old Boy, Netflix is already too far in front.

OLD BOY 12-06-2019 14:59
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Of com has agreed the changes requested by the BBC which will enable them to retain box sets on their i-Player for 12 months rather than 30 days. Good move, although ITV are not best pleased as this will restrict the availability of BBC material on Britbox, thus devaluing the platform.

https://www.digitaltveurope.com/2019...-iplayer-plan/

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More sport coming to the Amazon platform.

https://www.digitaltveurope.com/2019...k-and-ireland/

denphone 12-06-2019 15:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35998802)
Of com has agreed the changes requested by the BBC which will enable them to retain box sets on their i-Player for 12 months rather than 30 days. Good move, although ITV are not best pleased as this will restrict the availability of BBC material on Britbox, thus devaluing the platform.
A project destined to fail...

muppetman11 12-06-2019 16:15
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Sky Launches European Production Hub Sky Studios, Plans To Double Spend On Originals

https://www.tvwise.co.uk/2019/06/sky...-on-originals/

denphone 12-06-2019 16:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35998824)
Sky Launches European Production Hub Sky Studios, Plans To Double Spend On Originals

https://www.tvwise.co.uk/2019/06/sky...-on-originals/
So much to those who thought they were cutting down on their spend.

OLD BOY 12-06-2019 16:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35998805)
A project destined to fail...
It won't fail as long as the big three are fully on board. This, and the increased time availability of box sets on the BBC i-Player, should free up a lot of space on our hard drives!

denphone 12-06-2019 16:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35998828)
It won't fail as long as the big three are fully on board. This, and the increased time availability of box sets on the BBC i-Player, should free up a lot of space on our hard drives!
History tell us it will fail..

OLD BOY 12-06-2019 16:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35998826)
So much to those who thought they were cutting down on their spend.
I think what was said was that Sky do not spend enough on their original material and they needed to spend more to make up for the new stuff that was going to the streaming services.

It seems that Sky is acknowledging that.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35998829)
History tell us it will fail..
Nothing is comparable, Den.

Aguero9320 13-06-2019 12:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35998802)
Of com has agreed the changes requested by the BBC which will enable them to retain box sets on their i-Player for 12 months rather than 30 days. Good move, although ITV are not best pleased as this will restrict the availability of BBC material on Britbox, thus devaluing the platform.

https://www.digitaltveurope.com/2019...-iplayer-plan/

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More sport coming to the Amazon platform.

https://www.digitaltveurope.com/2019...k-and-ireland/
Following the carve up of UKTV and that BBC Studios have control of Gold and Drama, would this mean we'd see content from the two channels on iPlayer in the future?

SonicMaster 13-06-2019 12:45
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Following the carve up of UKTV and that BBC Studios have control of Gold and Drama, would this mean we'd see content from the two channels on iPlayer in the future?
No.

Gold is a pay TV channel. Any 'on demand' content is in the relevant services on Virgin, Sky etc

Drama is already part of UKTV Play, where they put their free programming.

OLD BOY 13-06-2019 12:47
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Following the carve up of UKTV and that BBC Studios have control of Gold and Drama, would this mean we'd see content from the two channels on iPlayer in the future?
I would have thought this programming will be on Britbox, not the i-Player. It will be interesting to see how much longer the UKTV channels survive once Britbox launches.

denphone 13-06-2019 13:07
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I would have thought this programming will be on Britbox, not the i-Player. It will be interesting to see how much longer the UKTV channels survive once Britbox launches.
They will survive a long time into the future...

ozsat 13-06-2019 15:36
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Amazon's 20 Premier League matches

Mad Max 13-06-2019 17:10
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Just a toe in the water to start with me thinks.

denphone 13-06-2019 17:23
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Just a toe in the water to start with me thinks.
Not sure if its a toe in the water if one has no intention of using all the other toes.;)

Chris 13-06-2019 20:03
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They’re going to get a great big pile of free trial subscriptions just in time for Christmas shopping. They’re jumping right in, right where they want to be. ;)

love Virgin2013 14-06-2019 01:55
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Will amazon show the football in UHD?

OLD BOY 14-06-2019 07:44
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Interesting development - UEFA launching its own streaming service. A sign of things to come....

https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2019...ital-platform/

EXTRACT

UEFA has unveiled its new Over The Top (OTT) streaming platform UEFA.tv. The German Bundesliga will be the first league to offer content on the service.

EXTRACT

The Bundesliga content on UEFA.tv will be available in major European markets such as the UK, Italy, Poland, Russia, Spain and Turkey as well as the Middle East and Africa from the start.

UEFA.tv will not be competing with TV channels but would rather be complementary by taking advantage of the wide range of content available at UEFA, including archive footage, delayed games, magazine programmes or futsal, women’s and grassroots competitions. In addition, it could be used by UEFA’s 55 federations to increase their global reach and visibility.

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Amazon has also announced a WTA deal, expanding its sports coverage available on its streaming service.

https://tbivision.com/2019/06/13/ama...with-wta-deal/

Amazon has expanded its live sports portfolio, snapping up the exclusive rights to the Women’s Tennis Association tour in a four-year deal covering the UK and Ireland.

The WTA deal adds to Amazon’s slate of tennis coverage, which also includes the ATP Tour and the US Open, and is the first time both professional tours have been available in one place in the UK.

The WTA deal runs from 2020 to 2024, and includes live and on-demand coverage of top WTA tournaments and will be available to Prime members in the UK and Ireland at no extra cost to their membership.

Raider999 16-06-2019 12:28
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Originally Posted by love Virgin2013 (Post 35999093)
Will amazon show the football in UHD?
I seriously doubt it, UHD takes around 5 times the disc space of HD so I would imagine the same would apply to streaming .

ozsat 16-06-2019 14:04
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More of a worry is "are Amazon going to show it in 25Hz" - it really doesn't suit well for live sports.

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Will amazon show the football in UHD?

muppetman11 16-06-2019 14:25
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Originally Posted by ozsat (Post 35999299)
More of a worry is "are Amazon going to show it in 25Hz" - it really doesn't suit well for live sports.
Completely agree with that.

OLD BOY 17-06-2019 08:03
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I seriously doubt it, UHD takes around 5 times the disc space of HD so I would imagine the same would apply to streaming .
Other sport streaming services manage it, so I can't really understand why you think that Amazon wouldn't. When you refer to disc space, are you not referring to recordings from TV channels? As we are talking about streaming, disc space is not relevant as it is streamed/VOD.

Incidentally, UHD does not take 5 times the disc space of HD anyway, at least on the V6 box. I have had up to 4 separate series of UHD dramas on my box as well as a few nature programmes, and I have not noticed those shows eating up my disc space.

muppetman11 17-06-2019 11:08
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Like who ?

BT Sport UHD on BT is done via multicast across its own network only.

Edit : BBC iPlayer as well but only in trial and to limited numbers.

OLD BOY 17-06-2019 12:29
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35999383)
Like who ?

BT Sport UHD on BT is done via multicast across its own network only.

Edit : BBC iPlayer as well but only in trial and to limited numbers.
BT is expanding its UHD streaming service (see below).

https://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/broad...136580.article

jfman 17-06-2019 13:40
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I do enjoy the bitrate chat. It’s a tangible fact that BT Sport 4K broadcasts at 27.8 MB/sec on the network verified by digitalbitrate.

HD channels can average anything between 5 and 9 according to the same website. The margin of error on the percentage space is too high on a 1TB box to be used meaningfully.

Raider999 17-06-2019 18:49
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35999366)
Other sport streaming services manage it, so I can't really understand why you think that Amazon wouldn't. When you refer to disc space, are you not referring to recordings from TV channels? As we are talking about streaming, disc space is not relevant as it is streamed/VOD.

Incidentally, UHD does not take 5 times the disc space of HD anyway, at least on the V6 box. I have had up to 4 separate series of UHD dramas on my box as well as a few nature programmes, and I have not noticed those shows eating up my disc space.
I have recorded numerous Premier League matches on BT. When I do I record in UHD on one box and HD on my other box.

The norm is 5 times the disk space, it is possible to display the disk usage in Gb. As we are talking sports streaming this is more relevant than dramas.

And yes I know streaming doesn't use recordings on your disk, however surely it is probable the band with? On the stream will be similarly higher.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35999402)
I do enjoy the bitrate chat. It’s a tangible fact that BT Sport 4K broadcasts at 27.8 MB/sec on the network verified by digitalbitrate.

HD channels can average anything between 5 and 9 according to the same website. The margin of error on the percentage space is too high on a 1TB box to be used meaningfully.
See my explanation in reply to OB. I am not using the %age disk space for comparison I use the actual Gb used to compare.

OLD BOY 17-06-2019 19:31
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Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 35999450)
I have recorded numerous Premier League matches on BT. When I do I record in UHD on one box and HD on my other box.

The norm is 5 times the disk space, it is possible to display the disk usage in Gb. As we are talking sports streaming this is more relevant than dramas.

And yes I know streaming doesn't use recordings on your disk, however surely it is probable the band with? On the stream will be similarly higher.
Thank you for explaining; yes I accept that.

denphone 19-06-2019 13:00
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Amazon to roll out free movie streaming service IMDbTV across Europe.

https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2019...eid=3598503789

OLD BOY 19-06-2019 15:01
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35999610)
Amazon to roll out free movie streaming service IMDbTV across Europe.

https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2019...eid=3598503789
Good news, Den. Unfortunately, it will be funded by adverts, so I won't be watching it.

I would be very pleased if they also had a subscription option witnout commercials. I would definitely go for that!

Chris 19-06-2019 15:19
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Amazon’s streaming option is already quite muddled, as its free Prime content is in the same interface with stuff you have to pay for, and some of the paid content has a decent rental price while some of it is purchase only. It’s really frustrating. To make matters worse it is not uncommon for their box sets to offer only some seasons free of charge, so you get two thirds through a show’s run and then suddenly they want silly money per season to complete.

I’m curious to see how they package this in the UK alongside Prime Video, but TBH as their entire TV operation is geared towards getting Prime memberships to drive sales at their online shop I’m not holding out much hope of it being comprehensive or easy to use. Unlike Netflix, which once it has your subscription simply aims to keep you watching, Amazon’s aim, once you’ve subscribed, is to sell you more stuff, and it shows.

denphone 19-06-2019 15:38
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l totally agree Chris as trying to navigate their Prime Video site can be pretty difficult sometimes as currently its very much a mish mash of poorly laid out pages with no clear direction at all.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35999623)
Good news, Den. Unfortunately, it will be funded by adverts, so I won't be watching it.

I would be very pleased if they also had a subscription option witnout commercials. I would definitely go for that!
Money talks OB and they will all have some sort of advertising in the end whether one likes it or not.

OLD BOY 19-06-2019 16:58
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l totally agree Chris as trying to navigate their Prime Video site can be pretty difficult sometimes as currently its very much a mish mash of poorly laid out pages with no clear direction at all.

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Money talks OB and they will all have some sort of advertising in the end whether one likes it or not.
That's something nobody knows at the moment, but the approach used on the ITV Hub and All4, where there are the two options, appears to be the best and will encourage the most subscribers.

Horizon 20-06-2019 09:26
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35999627)
Amazon’s streaming option is already quite muddled, as its free Prime content is in the same interface with stuff you have to pay for, and some of the paid content has a decent rental price while some of it is purchase only. It’s really frustrating. To make matters worse it is not uncommon for their box sets to offer only some seasons free of charge, so you get two thirds through a show’s run and then suddenly they want silly money per season to complete.

I’m curious to see how they package this in the UK alongside Prime Video, but TBH as their entire TV operation is geared towards getting Prime memberships to drive sales at their online shop I’m not holding out much hope of it being comprehensive or easy to use. Unlike Netflix, which once it has your subscription simply aims to keep you watching, Amazon’s aim, once you’ve subscribed, is to sell you more stuff, and it shows.
I can't work out Amazon's strategy at all, apart from they want to conquer the world. This could be their undoing. Being all things to all people never works.

They've put enough money into streaming to suggest their very serious about steaming, but nowhere near the amounts that Netflix has put in. Perhaps Amazon are betting on the fact that Hollywood will still put their content on Amazon's services into the future, but if they don't, Amazon's streamers won't survive.

Perhaps IDMB will be marketed as the free option with Prime as the pay option, but with Prime already being a muddle as you say, it gets very confusing with all these streamers (and the ones still to launch) vying for eyeballs.

Trying to push consumers into buying more stuff on Amazon's site is risky. In my opinion they should do what Netflix is doing and create tonnes of original content and flog it as cheap as they can. Instead Amazon are acting like the corner shop trying to flog you anything, including out of date stuff, but it maybe that Amazon that becomes out of date in the end.

alwaysabear 20-06-2019 11:04
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Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 35999709)
I can't work out Amazon's strategy at all, apart from they want to conquer the world. This could be their undoing. Being all things to all people never works.

They've put enough money into streaming to suggest their very serious about steaming, but nowhere near the amounts that Netflix has put in. Perhaps Amazon are betting on the fact that Hollywood will still put their content on Amazon's services into the future, but if they don't, Amazon's streamers won't survive.

Perhaps IDMB will be marketed as the free option with Prime as the pay option, but with Prime already being a muddle as you say, it gets very confusing with all these streamers (and the ones still to launch) vying for eyeballs.

Trying to push consumers into buying more stuff on Amazon's site is risky. In my opinion they should do what Netflix is doing and create tonnes of original content and flog it as cheap as they can. Instead Amazon are acting like the corner shop trying to flog you anything, including out of date stuff, but it maybe that Amazon that becomes out of date in the end.
Have to agree, I have noticed more series /films are becoming pay option. Navigation is becoming a pain.:(

cheekyangus 20-06-2019 11:32
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The Pay Separately stuff on Amazon was there before the subscription stuff, Amazon was doing them before they bought/consumed/integrated LoveFilm. It's always been messy, that messiness in my opinion speeded up the fall of the LoveFilm service, both the physical and their streaming part, LoveFilm Instant. They moved the content onto Amazon's website in what amounted to a Cut'n'Paste job and instantly lost its easy to navigate, logic layout as it had to fit with the aging Amazon site template for which it was not suited (not to mention lost a most of user generated data, all the LF reviews, guides and ratings disappeared). The whole site is a mess, cross-selling and ten zillion formats. It's a wonder it hasn't affected sales more.

Horizon 20-06-2019 12:07
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The fact that Amazon is also trying to be a pay tv company offering "channels" of content like Starz doesn't help either. Just a total mess and muddle. At least with Netflix, you know what you are getting, which is everything. I had assumed all the other companies would copy this model but that doesn't seem to be the case.

Apple is another company who despite spending lots of money on original content, their prime motivation, like Amazon, is to sell on other services or products, especially their over expensive phones.

Chris 20-06-2019 12:39
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I’m very curious to see what Disney’s offering looks like when it launches in the UK. If it’s as clean and all-you-can-eat as Netflix they could come to dominate very quickly.

cheekyangus 20-06-2019 16:36
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35999729)
I’m very curious to see what Disney’s offering looks like when it launches in the UK. If it’s as clean and all-you-can-eat as Netflix they could come to dominate very quickly.
Disney has a UK service already, it's just not particularly well advertised and doesn't quite have the range of the new services in the US will. Disney Life was estimated by the person who told me it existed to have around 80% of what Disney+ will likely have.

OLD BOY 20-06-2019 16:44
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Originally Posted by cheekyangus (Post 35999757)
Disney has a UK service already, it's just not particularly well advertised and doesn't quite have the range of the new services in the US will. Disney Life was estimated by the person who told me it existed to have around 80% of what Disney+ will likely have.
It may well have 80% of the stuff that will be on one of the Disney+ strands, but there will be two other strands in addition. One will be Hulu and one will be ESPN from what I have read. However, the Hulu part might be restricted in the UK as many of its shows are contracted out to our pay tv channels.


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