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jfman 12-11-2021 10:35

Re: Coronavirus
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36100876)
I have not claimed that regular boosters won’t be required. I said they may not be required. Twisting everything I say, as usual.

There are two schools of thought. One is that the virus will be circulating for a while yet, but following the two jabs and booster, the population may continue to be protected as the virus circulates and keeps our immune systems topped up, thus giving us protection without the need to give any further vaccines to the healthy population.

The other is that this will not be sufficient and that vaccinations may be needed well into the future.

These possibilities are both based on what the scientists are saying and I am not saying which is correct because at this stage, nobody really knows.

There are not two schools of thought.

There’s evidence led science that shows immunity from both vaccination and infection wanes over time. There’s also speculation, without evidence, to the contrary.

To give both equal weight exemplifies the problem you’ve encountered in this debate throughout that something you read on the internet or heard on the radio must be credible. This is not the case.

1andrew1 12-11-2021 10:45

Re: Coronavirus
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36100877)
There are not two schools of thought.

There’s evidence led science that shows immunity from both vaccination and infection wanes over time. There’s also speculation, without evidence, to the contrary.

To give both equal weight exemplifies the problem you’ve encountered in this debate throughout that something you read on the internet or heard on the radio must be credible. This is not the case.

It's a basic media literacy issue - giving equal weight to two opposing opinions in the supposed interests of balance, without doing any research on the robustness or otherwise of the sources behind those opinions.

Hugh 12-11-2021 11:59

Re: Coronavirus
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36100879)
It's a basic media literacy issue - giving equal weight to two opposing opinions in the supposed interests of balance, without doing any research on the robustness or otherwise of the sources behind those opinions.


mrmistoffelees 12-11-2021 12:01

Re: Coronavirus
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36100884)

One of my favourites, closely followed by 'warm feet'

spiderplant 12-11-2021 12:33

Re: Africa has the lowest caseload in the world
 
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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36100855)
Seriously?Look at who is posting. ;)

Well I did click that link with some trepidation, but it turned out to be a video by the excellent Dr John Campbell, so I thought it warranted a response.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36100862)
WHO Estimates Africa’s COVID-19 Caseload is Seven Times Higher Than Official Count

A valid point, but massive underreporting isn't exclusive to Africa. As it happens, DJC also covered that a few days ago.

1andrew1 12-11-2021 13:22

Re: Coronavirus
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36100884)

Very good! Funny, slightly edgy but with a serious message.

Sephiroth 12-11-2021 14:02

Re: Coronavirus
 
I don't know whether or not you classify tissue salts as homeopathy ot herbal medicine, but the Schuessler J combination absolutely controls my colds and combination H controls my hay fever.

pip08456 12-11-2021 14:10

Re: Coronavirus
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36100895)
I don't know whether or not you classify tissue salts as homeopathy ot herbal medicine, but the Schuessler J combination absolutely controls my colds and combination H controls my hay fever.

Homeopathic medicine.

https://www.healthline.com/health/ti...out-homeopathy

TheDaddy 12-11-2021 14:48

Re: Coronavirus
 
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Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36100850)
Both my parents now have had a positive PCR test, both been double vaccinated with a booster! They're suffering cold like symptoms with a bad head, hopefully it won't get worse.

Best of luck to them :tu:

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36100866)
You do realise comparing your discussions on one subject is relevant to your discussions on another - stop trying to stifle critiques by crying "off topic" every time you are challenged.

If you have an issue with what you think are off topic discussions, feel free to report it, and it will be considered by the Mods & Admins - it’s not your role in this forum to decide what is or isn’t off topic.

:tu:

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36100879)
It's a basic media literacy issue - giving equal weight to two opposing opinions in the supposed interests of balance, without doing any research on the robustness or otherwise of the sources behind those opinions.

Yes usually with an expert on one side and a berk of the street on the other but in the interests of balance both have to be heard :spin:

Paul 12-11-2021 15:30

Re: Africa has the lowest caseload in the world
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36100862)
Africa is estimated to have seven times more COVID-19 cases and three times as many deaths as officially reported, according to the World Health Organization (WHO) Africa region.

This means that the continent could have around 59 million cases and 634,500 deaths.

We’re using a model to estimate the degree of under-estimation

So basically they think "It surely cant be that low, so lets take a guess", and we all know how good "models" are.

Africa (and many places) may be under reporting, but the WHO has no actual evidence to say its 7 times.

spiderplant 12-11-2021 16:36

Re: Africa has the lowest caseload in the world
 
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36100911)
So basically they think "It surely cant be that low, so lets take a guess", and we all know how good "models" are.

Africa (and many places) may be under reporting, but the WHO has no actual evidence to say its 7 times.

Try this. (You'll need to register)
https://www.economist.com/graphic-de...aths-estimates

heero_yuy 12-11-2021 17:35

Re: Coronavirus
 
Bearing in mind that Africa is hot, most people live outdoors or have well ventilated homes/offices and there's very little public transport. The opportunities for the virus to spread may well be limited.

Taf 12-11-2021 17:47

Re: Coronavirus
 
The missus got her booster appointment. The other side of the city, no parking anywhere, and 3 buses to get with a few hundred yards, and right in the middle of the rush hour.

Our daughter spent 37 minutes on hold until she tried to get the venue moved to Tesco, 200 yards from us.

"Tesco is fully booked. They and the independent pharmacies want all their slots filled every day to make ends meet" (i.e. make the most profit).

The guy on the phone offered her another place, 15 miles away in the early evening! The 2 other places she has been to are not offering the jab she is scheduled to have.

He has now passed her case to a supervisor, but is doubtful the venue can be changed.

Paul 13-11-2021 00:17

Re: Africa has the lowest caseload in the world
 
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Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 36100916)
Try this. (You'll need to register)

Thats not going to happen (registration).

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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36100931)
The missus got her booster appointment.

Why not just book your [her] own ?
We all use the NHS site to book ours.
You can change or cancel on their system as well.

Dude111 13-11-2021 03:19

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Originally Posted by spiderplant
Try this. (You'll need to register)

Thank you...... I didnt have to register,it showed me the article straight away..


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